@chubbs said:and by the way, he will not get traded, his contract negotiations will get settled probably at mini-camp, training camp time. Its just the way things work, he's been waiting a while, patiently, playing hard and trying to get it done with his play. When he realized that this is not going to work, he needs to play every card he possibly can to get through to the team. Making it public, threatening a hold-out, demanding a trade... all that stuff is just the economics of the business to get leverage. And i dont hold it against him, the man wants to get paid and he is doing everything he can to get what he thinks he deserves. He knows he doesn't deserve the 5mil he is trying to get, but he knows he deserves more than the rookie salaray and the 1.4mil that the browns current offer is. The two are going to meet in the middle at around 2mil-2.5mil probably with some incentives at either the WR/KR/RB position. They cannot let a leader of the team walk especially with mangini being retained and people are supposed to be buying into the system. It is just out of the question. He will be back, and he will get a reasonable deal, Its just the business part of the game taking over for a while. too bad his agents probably get HALF...so even if he gets the 2.5M it'll still settle out about the same for him>>> hurting his legacy to make some scum bag agents some $$--oopsie! Don't bite the hand that feeds you Josh...

suns said:I would love to have this guy but I doubt he's coming out this year. he declaired months ago http://www.collegenews.com/index.php?/arti...fl_draft_59610/

@cambridgeho said:You also don't return the most kicks in the history of the NFL, or lead the special teams in tackles or start at WR or play RB. If you were asked to do the job you have right now and got paid what you started off making 5 years ago, you would not like it either. Very good point.

@buckeyebest2 said:what would you do for a GM, what would you do with Mangini and what would you do with cribbs situation? GM-id try to get Heckert Keep Mangini Give Cribbs a max between 2.5 mil and 3 mil and have him take it or leave it and that he will not get traded or released so his only other choice would be hold out 4 year or retire for 4 years (when his contract with the browns is over) First thing I would do is go out on the town for a weekend and meet the people of surrounding bars nightclubs and very loyal browns organizations just to see and meet the types of fans and lobbyist connected with the Browns. (MH is smart like the way he referred to the Browns Fans all over the world) Second I evaluate from the bottom up (as far a football operations). Cribbs is the real deal i make him a Brown for life if i can. He is well on his way to the Hall. same thing with Harrison they need him to come back next year imagine if he tacks on another 4 or 5 returns in his career. The league seems very interested in the WildDawg or variations of it. hey at one point it seemed very unorthodox to even throw the ball. So if the league goes there we've already got the perfect guy. I would even try him at safety. You know he can tackle, can you imagine him picking off a pass then returning it against offensive players that don't usually tackle people--would make him a game changer for sure. Next would be a hard decision. what do i do with mangini. Well hes not my guy, but he did well down the stretch, but he messed up the whole hiring a Gm deal, but the guys all want him there like they ALWAYS say.......... ehh to much baggage and to much of a shadow of a doubt about this guy. I'm a straight to the point guy and mangini is a shadow games/mind games coach so he has got to go. Nothing personal just not a match here, hey The Browns are paying me a bunch of money and i want it my way. Then i go get the best GM on the market prob the cat from philly (don't know his name) and sit and evaluate from the remaining pool of coaches to bring to cleveland might just be a guy that can build me a legit football team. In the Draft i get lineman make the d and o line monsters and go from there....

@alo said:Adam Schefter on Mike&Mike: "I don't like Eric Mangini's chances of staying on right now." Expects announcement will come today. Suck. I wonder if he has new evidence or if this is just a gut feeling. In days past he has been more uncertain.