@gftchris said:I guess you can make a case that the more passionate the fans, the more willing they are to pay higher prices, but that presupposes that the organisation wants to milk the fans for as much as possible. Right.....and that is why the term used in that study "Fan Equity" is such a bogus label. What the fuck are these assholes trying to say? Ownership provides an obviously loyal, passionate fanbase a pile of shit year after year after year and these dickwads think that the measurement of loyalty is how much they spend on tickets? At least give the Browns credit.....they know they have fucked their loyal fans over by providing a consistently poor product, and as a result they have kept the cost low. At least there is a certain amount of what I would call "fan equity" in that.

Feb.1, 2009. Defeated Arizona in the Super Bowl...two signature moments in that game, iconic and Ohio born James Harrison rambling down the sidelines99yds. for a pick six, and former Ohio State Buckeye Santonio Holmes catching that tip toe TD pass from Ohio born Ben Roethlisberger on that late game winning drive. A Signature regular season game that stands out the most for me...Dec 24, 2005. The Christmas Eve Massacre. A 41-0 demolition of the Browns. A statement was made that day to the browns and browns fans and organization...a shut out, the iconic James Harrison slamming a browns fan to the turf, and Larry Foote decking a Browns receiver as time ran out. Wow what a day. Best Christmas Day ever! That's it? Really? I get the Holmes catch....that would be an iconic moment. The Harrison run is more renowned for the Cardinals ineptness than anything. As for the Browns loss....really, a simple regular season game blowout? Like I said, when I was growing up a typical Browns/ Steelers score was probably something like 42-10 Browns, so I guess a blowout is no big thing to me either way. I am going to assume that you weren't around to see the Immaculate Reception, or the Lynn Swann catch. Perhaps as Iconic for the Steelers are the fuckups that other teams had when playing them: Jackie Smith's drop where a catch would have won the game. Dennis Northcutt's drop where a catch would have sealed a Browns playoff win.

Ray: It's called the 4-3 Under, and looks an awful lot like a 3-4 with the 2 OLB's walked up to the line. Make the scheme fit the players rather than the other way around.

@miktoxic said:you want to see picture perfect tackling? go back and look at aldon smith hitting gay ben when the 9ers beat their ass. nothing dirty about it, unlike harrison's big ape tactics. ... or Steve Atwater's smack down of Christian "The Nigerian Nightmare" Okoye... All shoulder to his head... the way God intended it... "Are you cryin' baby?" Gives me an idea for a new thread...

It has been a proven fact that the helmet used right is a weapon. Any idiot in the league can use it as a weapon. Y do think these corners and safties can put a tight end out. Its funny how colt has taken an azz whoopin all year. Hit from behind high low and gang tackled. one cheapshot and he's out cold. i don't question colts toughness on bit. he's as tough as ANY qb in the league. ANYBODY!!!! I've seen some ticky tacky calls when it comes to the qbs head. u and Harrison and everyone knows the qbs head is OFFLIMITS. Harrison wasn't even close this time. This was a blaten attempt to harm with a weapon. Intelligence is apart off being great and he is severely lacking some.

First half, I saw some play calling and mixing it up that really excited me for this game. However, the initial drive ... they should have made a statement and gone for it, shown they were there for a win. There is nothing to be gained at this point of the season, playoffs are gone, show some dignity, grit, intention. Seems the coaches have the conservative mindset - ALL THE TIME - some points are better than none. Did you see Tomilin's approach when we made the stand on the goal line on 4th down. He would not be stopped. It was a gutsy call by a committed coach. They did not get it, but it sure seemed the team played hard for te rest of the game, knowing their coach thought they had the power to try. Our staff is entirely too conservative, but I will say, the first quarter and into the 2nd they looked uncharacteristically refreshing. Second half, same old crew came out of the pit. Playing not lose as opposed to chasing a win. As for McCoy, you are entirely dead-on right. This kid IS tough, but he does not have the skills to play in the NFL without a surrounding spectacular cast. If his over / under throws were to guys that had some mobility, let alone hands, he'd look allot better, but that doesn't mean he's a NFL QB. He has no vision and a weak timid approach. The TD pass, had it been to the corner, as Ben would have thrown, would have easily been the game winning play. Instead another limpwristed underthrow for a INT. The INT midfield, same thing. Had he thrown with any arch at all, seeing the play develop behind the defenders, would have been a TD. The receiver (can't remember who it was) would have been long gone after that catch. Instead, Palomaulu did what he does best, saw the play develop and took advantage of a weak throw. Encouraging ? ... not exactly what I had in mind. My main concern now is, if they play the last game of the season with the same spark they had in the first half, Holmgren may ride that out through the off seaosn and we'll be in the same boat in 2012.

@miktoxic said: i only got about two paragraphs into the article before i had to rush into the bathroom and lose the contents of my stomach. wow, i didn't no a reporter get his/her head up someone's ass as merrill has done with tomlin. puke! although i'd much rather have a tomlin than a shurmer. Tomlin is a top 5 Coach in the NFL. Attempt to argue otherwise and the article is actually pretty interesting Steeler fan or not.

To keep with the spirit of recent topics. OK, So we didn't make the playoffs, but our colors are WAY better than other teams. If you look at the composite and the depth of what makes up "Brown" and combine it with the hue of "Orange", you would have to be a fool to not understand the focus of intensity derived from this combination. Brown and Orange are so much stronger and deeper that Purple/Black, Orange/White, and Black/Gold. Take THAT!!!

The Soldier said:Did I really see our Defensive coordinator "talking trash" with the starting QB of our opponent? Please tell me I didn't. At 1-6, losing by 20 pts, our fat Defensive coordinator starts jawing with the other team? If that is ignored by Mangini, Learner, and the rest, that is a shame. embarrassing! I didn't find it embarrassing. I found it refreshing that there was some emotion on the sidelines. The defense is the only part of this team that's shown any life despite the lack of talent.

@ytownbrownsbacker said:laughable how you guys suck up every piece of shit rumor on the net. It was a joke, now who should be pissed? revenge......................LOL Maybe they both need to sit and watch Ratliff for a day and see what that does to the competition. It's just like when DA mentioned the headset going out. All he was doing was conversing with the media and telling them what happened, he wasn't trying to come up with a bunch of alibis etc. It's getting closer guys, the countdown is on for most of this nonsense to disappear.

I have a woodrow over Mangini and dammit I'm man enough to admit it.

This jerk probably doesn't even know we got 2 starters & a QB prospect in addition to picks for #5.

@kardiackid26 said:Great points. I think we'll have a 500. season. I feel alot better with this regime than i did the past 10 years. It's just a good feeling knowing that we have people in the front office that actually KNOW what they're doing. none of this rookie HC crap or GM and Hc not getting along I agree. I'm just glad we're not going into '09 with the hot college coach of the moment and a pile of hyped FA's. Would much rather have a pile of draft picks. My minimum goal every year is to be at least 6-6 at week 12 as this is when everyone kicks into high gear with playoff talk. Its a huge deal to be in the hunt. I'm not upset every year the Browns don't win the Super Bowl. As Tom Hamilton pointed out after the Tribe lost game 7, you can't not come back the following year because you didn't win it all. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for years of dissappointment. So, I'd take .500, especially if its at week 12 and we're in the conversation. ND's offense rallied around Quinn and he made players better around him (none of his WR's are in the league anymore, yet yet he set 30+ QB records). He's what the team needs and it could happen in '09. St. Patrick's Day soon. Just ordered my Quinn shirt for the festivities. Wanted DA, but couldn't find one.

Who wants to be a millionaire ? Q. What stinks, is noisy and has absolutely no substance ? a. Steeler's "wannabe" fan b. Trolls c. Fart d. all of the above

Wouldn't you think it was even more worthless if Lerner suddenly came up with some kind of philosophy right now and then narrowed down his search to even less viable candidates? Play good defense and run the ball is basically what every team wants to do. The fact is that the solid teams do it year after year. Pretty much the only teams that still want to win via the air are 1. Arizona and 2. Wherever Martz is.