@canton-mike said: Now, now boys, play nice! After all, it IS Thanksgiving......Have a GREAT TURKEY DAY!!!  ? Mike o.k it's the day after and after jamming to The Kinks and having a eye opener I have this to say FUCK BALTIMORE and FUCK that mush mouth talking jackson

@hoorta said: BTW, Wilks is going to have to  figure out  what he's going to do  at safety. Besides  not having Garrett.  Just who DO we have available there?  We have guys named Montrel Meander and JT Hassell on the PS.   Are we going to have to call one of them up?

@flugel said: We sent Zeitler packing and Baker felt the difference in comfort particularly in the short passing game.  We also had a dual purpose TE that was very helpful blocking in short yardage that we let go (Fells).  While Higgins didn't have big numbers per say, he came up big a lot to extend drives and he hasn't been available much as well as how often Callaway was unavailable to build on last year's chem/continuity.  We're still putting strangers out there like Hodge, who impressed me but it's not like auto chem comes easy.  Whatever we had going for a QB that took over an 0-16 team that also started out winless and gave Baker a 14-0 deficit the night he got his first game action - something changed drastically for the better and it was the QB position.  We won the first game he appeared and it didn't take any of us very long to how quickly, decisively and accurately he got rid of the ball through his rookie setting TD pass season in spite of only 13 starts.  look at everything that changed except for Jarvis.  Baker has already had 3 different OCs at 23 starts olds.  Not good!  I thought our 2018 OL coach did a pretty decent job considering the challenge of replacing Joe Thomas at LT and he's gone as well as Zampese.  IMO, when you're really showing epic progress, the worst thing you can do is change as much continuity as this FO changed on it's QB who was only 13 starts old heading into 2019.   They've removed a lot of the things that helped Baker for a lot of things that haven't very much just yet.  Just a few thoughts.... Great points, the loss of Zeitler has been really understated. The guys at Surviving the Season Podcast were the first to point out that successful teams with shorter QBs like Wilson and Brees have elite guards to maintain the throwing lanes that are crucial to their success. Dorsey created an unnecessary hole by releasing Nassib, trading Ogbah then tried to fix it by trading Zeitler for Vernon who's production is almost identical to those two this season. Don't get me started on Fells and Charles loss this season. Dorsey is increasingly looking like a scout who can find talent but not necessarily build a team. Back to Baker: his last two games have been encouraging and maybe it just took him this long to familiarize himself with the playbook. OBJ is still being wasted this season though. This offense has to catapult itself to top 10 in the last 6 games to have the slightest chance of making the playoffs.

@bjh2130 said: Hold up early in the year we were bitching about the play calls where everyone was just running 9 routes (go routes, streaks, fly, whatever you want to call them) now Freddie is handcuffing Baker? Was it Freddie who threw a 8 yard sideline pass to harris on a scramble when 30 yards directly behind him in line of sight was Calloway standing wide open in the endzone. Was it Freddie who didn't recognize presnap or postsnap OBJ had no safety help over the top and a double move that beat Harris on 4th and 4? That play where he missed Callaway was the exact play we loved from Baker last year that you see in nextgen commercials where it only had a 13.6% (or whatever)  of being completed. Freddie most definitely is failing at things (some would say many things) but don't act like Freddie is the sole reason Baker is not playing well. Baker is in head and just not seeing the field.  Speaking of Baker why in the world is he thinking "this will be funny" and coming out with 3 different facial hairstyles on gameday? Focus on the damn game. Instead he comes out to pregame and with full beard goatee and mustache to play the game and just a mustache for post game press conferences.  Quit trying to be funny and play some fucking good football.  Also to the person who said zampese was calling plays last year. He wasn't.  That's just flat out a lie.  Did he maybe implement game plans or design all the plays? Could be I don't know. Freddie was definitely the one calling in the plays on gameday. By the way no one designing plays is reinventing the wheel. Many of the route concepts we see today are the same route concepts we saw last year and the year before that. Well something isn't right with either Freddie or Baker... I don't think all of Bakers problems are entirely his.. Some of it I think is systemic.. Some of his own doing.. And his WR's not catching (OBJ) everything like they should. I'm not saying Freddie is the sole reason.. But he certainly hasn't helped any... so don't act like it's all Bakers fault... You're erroneous for thinking that it is!

@the-gipper said: Hoorta told me to not respond to you....but I will explain this one:  Ohioans are smarter and braver than anyone else.  Sorry Gip took me a few days to catch the a-hole was back.. He's gone again.