Well Bradford and Suh are gone. Sucks for Bradford. As a Ram his career is over before it even begins.

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

Did i "Blame" America ? Read my post you brain dead moron . Simply pointed out that Ben isn't the only Young Adult in the Country "Perving" out . In fact I strongly show disaproval of his actions .

Oh now you have a problem with young people having sex? Typical Pittsburgh scum. Hating on young people getting laid in an attempt to justify supporting a serial rapist as your QB. Young people didn't make Ben rape that woman. But you Squeeler inbred hillbillies don't take responsibility for your excessive weight and missing teeth, I don't expect Ben to take responsibility for his rape addiction either.

but if your naive enough to not realize the Condition of America Shame on you. Thats all I was adding at the bottom of my post.

It's "you're" not "your" and "That's" not "Thats". But I'm not surprised you failed English, considering it must be hard for Stooler fans to concentrate in school knowing daddy is going to give them the "bad touch" when they go to sleep.

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

I already said he pisses me off. Already said he has exposed himself as a low class individual. But that doesn't Make him a Rapist. I aint kissing his nasty A** . NOT Happy at all. Actually would welcome a suspension if Charges are brought . Not sure how I will feel when this is all over. But Dude needs to come clean and admit he has issues and needs a change. Will I be happy to see him tossing TDs for us ? I will take them , but not sure Happy will ever apply again. But the guy is NO Rapist. Common sense says its life in America land of the Free Home of the Brave (And Sadly the Perverted). All this illicit sex is a symptom of a larger underlying issue in America. Its everywhere ... dumb ass young people with absolutely no Control.

Are you really going to blame all of America because Ben is a serial rapist?

It's clearly the city of Pittsburgh that is the problem. If it wasn't full of fat nasty bitches Ben wouldn't have gone to Georgia in the first place.

Yup it's done now according to ESPN and NFL Network and he's supposed to announce something officially at 7pm tonite, about 20 minutes from now.

I think he'll look good in the orange & brown.

Why aren't we called the Cleveland Oranges? At least we'd know what to have for a logo. Maybe Holmgren can push for that.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Most of Clevelands sacks came when Ben was waiting for someone to get open 30+ yards down field from a 5 wr formation on 3rd and 1. Atleast 5 of the Browns sacks came on 3rd and 7 or shorter becuase everyone's route was 20+ yards down field instead of around the first down line. When Ben's not in shotgun, there is actually a running back in the backfield and the D fears our run game enough to bite on PA, then Ben becomes the 3rd qb in NFL history to have 500+ yards, 3 tds, and 0 ints in a single game. Not to mention they were one of the best defenses (especially in passing) in the league. Chris Kemuateu (our best 0-lineman) was out and an UDRFA started in his place.

Regular season doesn't matter come playoff time. If 3 AFC North teams make the playoffs that would tie a recrd that can't possibly be broken.

You Steelers apologists are insane. It's XMas time, ask for a jersey for whatever team you want to bandwagon on next already and be done with it, because your explanations for how "quite well" the Steelers OLine have played this year are moving towards the delusional.

You might as well just hop on the Browns bandwagon. You'd fit right in with the delusional Mangini apologists.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Agreed, for the most part. But the Steelers O-line has actually played quite well. Even a few time when a starter got injured they played well as a whole. The problem is Bruce Arians belives passing 90% of the time. and never PA, mostly shotgun and 5 wides. When something works once or twice you rarely see Arians call it again that same game. Hail Maries on 3rd and 1 in 40+ mph winds never worked so he kept trying it. The one time we run on 3rd and 1 we gain five yards. Are you sure this guy still isn't on your pay roll?

Really? How well did the Steelers OLine play against Cleveland? They only gave up 8 sacks and a ton of pressure. That's "quite well", right? lol Steelers fail. This division pretty much fails from top to bottom. Cinci takes the division, but that just means they're the best of the bunch between our 4 average or below average teams.

@trodgers said:

^ Very poor accuracy? I've heard several people on here say that nonsense. I think you'll see in the very near future that that's untrue. I'll leave it out of discussion because his completion percentage isn't there right now.

Afraid to throw downfield? What would make you think that but some absurd scouting report from a guy who fell in love with JaMarcus Russell during workouts? He's not afraid to do it. And he does it quite well.

Sorry but you have lost you mf'ing mind. Quinn isn't JaMarcus, but he's not much better. I'd trade him for a 4th rounder and a pack of smokes.

Maybe if he stopped working out for a while and lost a little muscle he'd stop overthrowing people by 10 yards every time he attempts to go deep. His accuracy is awful.

@theclevelandsound said:

I gotta wonder...how many of you lonely people have wacked it to this thread?

I did at least twice.

@jully said:

Defending Super Bowl Champions.

Those four words are not in any person's vernacular describing the Clevelend Browns.

This is not an insult just a fact I wanted to present for the Christmas holidays.

Cheers!

Neither can the Steelers, since they won't be defending anything this season.

@hardy-har-har said:

diamonds and gold.. for being the best..

It's funny you say that. It reminded me of how many of you bandwagon fans will now be buying black and gold Saints jerseys now that your fail team has been exposed on national television for being the oldest, fattest, slowest, most unprepared bunch of quitters and most frequent cry babies the NFL has ever seen. From champs to chumps.

Notice I didn't say defending champs, because you won't be defending anything.

They're showing the 2002 wildcard playoff game between Pittsburgh and Cleveland right now. This is moments after Rich Eisen and the rest of the crew just bashed Pittsburgh for the last hour, showing Big Bens "low-fat" beef jerky and the "City of Champions" cereal that gets soggy in Cleveland (OH SNAP!).

I guess this is their way of giving something nice to Pittsburgh. So they can remember the teams of the PAST. Those teams that came in The Before Time. So they can forget about this sub .500 losing to the worst teams in the league garbage they have now.

Cherish the memories Squeeler fans. That's all you have left.

@supersteelers said:

That would be wrong on many levels....I'm dealing with a lemming.

Lemming. You mean like those animals that follow each other in large packs before they all jump off a hill to their deaths? Sounds just like all the bandwagon Steelers fans to me.

All hope is not lost though! Maybe the Steelers can trade Little Ben to Oakland for Gradkowski! Now there's a good Pittsburgh born guy who knows how to win a football game! He can teach you guys how to beat the Bengals.

@hardy-har-har said:

are the browns in the playoff hunt? no!

Last time the Browns made the playoffs guess who caved their heads in? you guessed it. Pittsburgh!

Hmm, caved their heads in. That sounds kind of geographical. Like an avalanche or an earthquake.

You know water running over a certain course over a long period of time creates rivers?

Here's where the 3 Rivers came from.

Game ball award goes to...

Hines Ward. May his tears nourish the seeds of change in Cleveland and the AFC North for many years to come.

@hardy-har-har said:

the steelers played bad and they beat themselves.

The Squeelers will have plenty of time to "beat themselves" while other teams are in the playoffs.

Maybe Ochocinco should send them some hand lotion and Terrible Towels to clean up with.

I remember reading here that some Steeler fans were killing dogs after losses, right?

Ironic they couldn't put down the Dawgs in da pound.

Kharma baby, WOOF!

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Wrong. Savage and Crispy Creme are to blame. Mangenious is turning this team around. Making them tough physically and mentally. Something Crennel couldn't do. Mangenious is our future.

So he's a genius because Brady Quinn had ~40 passer rating so he decided "I think I better just run the ball"? Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

The only offensive players I saw with toughness were Jennings Cribbs and the people who were blocking for them. That's it. The defense however was pumped. They played above and beyond what any of us would have expected. And that wasn't Mangini, that was Ryan.

Those players were pumped because, like they said, they knew how much this one particular win meant to the city of Cleveland. The players already had their own motivation for this one, Mangini didn't provide it.

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, because I love the win but 2-12 is still just not acceptable to me at the end of the day.

@peterbell said:

This is the problem Kosar..Dudes like Ebenzer and Gips are going to have to admit there wrong about Mangini

They would rather the Browns lose then have to admit their wrong whichs show what type of fans they are.

Seriouly Mangini beat the f**kin World Champions with a team of 'The Replacements" on defense..period.

He did it on a night when BQ couldn't hit the ocean with a beach ball.

This 'w" lets us Browns fans stick our chest out and walk with some pride sportin our Browns gear..

Mangini and "the replacements" also knocked the reigning SB champs Steelers out of the playoffs...Every Browns fan

should have a tear of joy in their eyes over that.

That game was won because of coaching..period and Mangini having the balls to play guys who deserve to play.

I don't want to hear shit from any Steeler fan of Mangini hater...Steelers go down to the Browns..Hell yeah

I'm honored you brought my name up, but no. My position is still firm on Mangini (the win earned the right not to be called Mangina for a week). I'm still a firm believer that he has to go.

While the win was amazing it didn't save the season in the eyes of the fans as Josh Cribbs said. I mean it did to a point, we all love seeing the Steelers lose, and more so when it's to us. But they're still 2-12. When the season is over that's not a record ANY of us should say we are proud of.

That win was solely on the defense and Ryan. Offense had nothing to do with it. Daboll we can all agree is worthless. You some some of that terrible playcalling last night. Screens when we needed long yardage etc.. That's on Mangini too. Daboll can cal whatever he wants, Mangini has to approve it.

Mangini is to blame for a lot of our woes, and when the afterglow of our win last night wears off, we're still a 2 win team. He has the stigma of loser on him, and it won't go away until he does.

The effort put forth tonight shows that Eric Mangini will stop at nothing to help the Jets get into the playoffs.