I vote for 55 yards in the 2nd half.that just isnt going to get it done...
Maybe. Especially since all we needed was a field goal to win it.
But I would still say the pick that resulted in the only TD for KC. Poor decisions by Browns QB's has become the norm.
If Wallace is such a great athlete, why didn't he tuck and run some?
Anyone still think the Vincent Jackson trade attempt is a bad idea ? Im not that excited even if we pursue it, but it seems like FA's are the only way we can inject some meaning into this season unless we are aiming high for the draft.
I think it would be a terrible idea. We need a lot of help on offense and to tie up that much money in a guy without anyone to throw it to him is not the way to get better.
Seneca Wallace is NOT the answer, despite what some posters are saying. I don't think we have a franchise QB on the roster and until we get one look for the offense to be average at best (although with an average offense we would be 2-0 right now).
Let's face it. Our offense is clearly what is losing us games. Our defense allowed 9 points today after being stranded out on the field with an inept offense for most of the game. That pick by Sheldon Brown was beautiful. Joe Haden and TJ Ward are all over the field. Our defense stuffed the run for MOST of the game. In the season opener the defense only allowed 10 points (ok, 17...but I don't count the 7 where they picked delhomme down to the 3 yard line). Our defense has been our strength so far this year.We need a better gameplan offensively. We do not use Cribbs as much as we should be using him. Daboll...don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm not one to jump to conclusions with firing people, but after seeing how putrid our offense looked today, I'm all for it.
So lets tip our cap to this defense. They may not be the best in the league, but at least they are playing like a real unit. They haven't allowed many points this year. It's very refreshing to watch. Now things may change against the more dynamic offenses, but I like what I see so far.
Stay positive. Go Browns.
The only time the defense really looks suspect is after they come right back out on the field after the inept offense gives the ball back.
There are some positives though - and they are that the foundation for this team should be defense and they appear to be on the right path. Until we get some playmakers and at least an average QB we will struggle offensively.
It's not really that tricky. When cribbs takes the snap he runs the ball. It's like 10 against 11 with Wallace lined up on the wing. You can't win with gimmicks. You may as well line cribbs up in the backfield now and then and give him a handoff, at least that would be 11 on 11 ball. One big problem is that the coaching staff can't figure out how to make cribbs a weapon on a regular basis. Yes I know he had a nice catch today but that does not happen often.
The Miami Dolphins did fine with the "gimmicks".
I see no reason why the package shouldn't be used more than it is. And the 10 against 11 statement is wrong. They still have to cover him.
As far as making Cribbs a weapon, well, it would help if he had better hands and ran better routes.
Hillis was finding holes pretty easily with the same line. Just face it, Harrison is not what everybody thinks he is. He's a middle of the road back at the very best, and he had a fluke season against some terrible teams.Get him the hell out of Cleveland while you still can, his value is dropping fast.
I agree that Harrison is average.
But Hillis would be a well below average starting running back in the NFL.
Tell you what, why don't you name all of the starting NFL running backs that Hillis would be better than.
sources have told me that Brian Daboll has been fired, and will be replaced by Gil Haskell, the offensive assistant. Details are not yet known.
Unless the new offensive coordinator is Jesus, nobody will be able to score with that offense until they get decent QB play.
WHO CARES ABOUT THE NONFUMBLE...I'm pissed off that the scrub can't get more than 2 yards a carry. What good is hanging on to the ball if you just KILL an offense's drive anyways? I'm sick of seeing harrison. More Hillis NOW!
As has been stated on here before, Harrison's career YPC is the same as Hillis's.
Obviously the Browns NEED the big play to score. Harrison allows for that while Hillis does not. Hillis has a role and it should be short yardage or to merely give a different look.
They will never be able to sustain a drive with inconsistent QB play - has nothing to so with RB's. It isn't high school ball where teams actually drive 80 yards down the field with 16 rushes.
I am with you fully. Personally, I've been advocating the the running back by committee system for years. It helps to have a number of backs with different strengths because it makes the opposing team spend more time trying to gameplan around all of your RB's. I don't want a feature back, I'd love a two back system. But Harrison didn't do anything today, and the offense stalled nearly every time he was on the field. He's a receiving back and that's it, don't try to run with him. Especially between the tackles.
The offense was stalled practically all game no matter who the hell was out there! Did you even watch the game????????
First touchdown Harrison probably had 30 yards on the drive and was used the right way (which is rare) when he was passed the ball and allowed to operate in space.
The second touchdown was a result of a big play to Cribbs.
Other than that, it stalled for virtually the entire game.
I know it's not your intention to say so, but I can't figure out why people here will only settle for one feature back. It's rare to find a back that runs between the tackles, catches out of the backfield, moves the chains on 3rd and 1, and picks up blitzes on 3rd and long. It takes two (in most cases) capable backs to be effective in all aspects of the game. People (not necessarily fans) here just seem to love breaking up into factions so they have something to argue about. No single back on our roster is the solution.Edit: I don't see Harrison as an integral or irreplaceable part of the Browns offense, regardless of where some of you guys drafted him in your fantasy league.
I agree that no single back on our roster is the solution. But for anyone to argue that Hillis is better than Harrison just goes to show that they don't know a hell of a lot about football.
Hillis proved why he deserved the start, and Harrison proved why he doesn't.He's a mediocre back at best, and those games last year didn't mean shit. Hillis proved he can move the chains, Harrison proved he can't do shit when handed off the ball. He's a receiving back, not a running back.
Get him the hell out of Cleveland and let James Davis start alongside Hillis. Hell, the only upside to Harrison was his speed, and James Davis is faster than him anyway.
And jesus, he's got this fumble history. He just can't hold onto the rock. He's the reason we lost that game, because of his fumble. (That was sarcasm, in case any of you thick headed imbeciles try to use that as an argument point)
He was down and the ground caused it. Replay showed that.
Either way, when he is passed the ball and gets into space he does a great job - like today when he caught four balls and they were positive plays.
Hillis will never be more than a role player. Never. He is not a starting back and for some reason the only team in the NFL that thinks he can be is the Browns.
He serves a purpose and did it well today. Give him the ball when you need that tough yard near the goaline. Other than that, you have a guy who is the same as Jamal Lewis the past couple of years.
I think the original poster's assertion is more correct than not. The Pryor/Robinson debate is irrelevant.
His stats are comparable to Cribbs's stats in college, except for so far this year Robinson appears to run more than Cribbs did. Cribbs wasn't an accurate passer until his senior season and threw a lot of picks his sophomore year and got better after that.
As far as the competition, no doubt Robinson will play better competition than Cribbs did in college, but even then, unless you are comparing what these guys do against SEC teams that too is irrelevant because that conference is the only one that even comes close to matching professional speed.
Closest any other QB got the Browns aside from the Holcomb, Slouch playoff year. So all you anti-Anderson fans weren't happy with 10-6? Obviously not because you all screamed for Brady the next year.Steve Young was a cast off from TB because they said he couldn't make it in the NFL. The Falcons traded Favre.
Derek Anderson is not and will never be close to either of those two.
Yeah sure, happy with 10-6. But not too happy with his performance since then.
No fumbles this weekend for Peyton Hillis I HOPE LOL
I agree. No fumbles and hopefully no picks while falling down at the end of the half . . . . . . .
NO, which is why they share carries, they are two different kinds of backs, Harrison is small and fast he is more likely to get the big play, but he is also more likely to get stuffed on the run for little to no gains. Hillis is a big strong back that hits the defenders like a mack truck and can consistently gain positive yardage. They should both be used and I guarantee you if Harrison was the only one who was used the Browns would be worse off rather than splitting carries between two different types of players.
So why not utilize Harrison in space and pass him the ball? Hillis caught four passes while Harrison had one thrown his way.
And no, I am not comparing Harrison to Barry Sanders, but Sanders holds the NFL record for carries for negative yards, the big play is what made him so good.
FYI - the career average per carry for both Harrison and Hillis was exactly the same going into this season.
Peyton Hillis deserves lots of carries because everytime he runs he almost guarantees a positive gain, he carries and drags defenders with him for extra yards.
Define lots. Because I don't think he deserves 'lots' of carries. Harrison definately deserves more carries and gives us the best chance to score - which always seem to be a problem. When Hillis scored his touchdown it was Harrison's big run that set it up. By the way, that run by Harrison was over twice as long as Hillis's career long.
Yeah, give him carries. But certainly not anything close to an equal timeshare.
Did you guys actually watch DA? He pulled it together a bit at the end but he was beyond horrid for the better part of that game.
You are correct, he was bad for much of the game.
Derek Anderson had one good season. Even then, the best quarterbacks complete more than 56% of their passes and thats all he could manage then. Although I love the Browns, I do have to admit that he was viewed as better than he actually was just because the Browns had such horrible quaterback play before that year (and since).
He has a great arm and makes horrible decisions.
mikeyP72 said:
THANK YOU JESUS !!!!!Harrison was getting stuffed! Someone else gets it.....
Blame Daboll, then Delhomme, then Harrison for not showing up....
Harrison for not showing up? He was responsible for one of the touchdowns with his long run! Besides one lucky as hell pass getting through (was a poorly thrown ball), it was the only big play we had. Harrison had one pass thrown to him and the idea should be to get him into space - and the pass is one way to do that. He wasn't much involved in the game plan from the beginning. Mistake on the coaching staff's part.
Metcalf_FTW said:
Something I had noticed during the first half, before our second touchdown, was that our offense was driving the ball consistently down the field through the air. On this drive in particular, Daboll was pretty pass-happy with the offense. As we approached first and goal, Daboll and either a four or five receiver set spread wide and a timeout was called out of nowhere, from the sidelines, while the defense was on edge.The camera came onto Daboll and Mangini passed him, saying very firmly (I read his lips), "Slow it down!" Mangini was not too happy with all the passing and the offense about to spread WR's on first and goal when we had no problem running the ball. I said mark my words, Mangini said that to Daboll and after this timeout we will be running the ball.
First play, Hillis scores a touchdown on a toss to the left side with a great block from Steinbach. I was just proud that I caught this! haha
It was a 63 yard drive and the play before it was a 39 yard RUN by Harrison. So, of the 63 yards, 39 were covered by one run, and then add Hillis's 10 yard run, we have 14 yards left over.
Are these 14 yards what you are calling "driving the ball consistently down the field through the air"??????????????
The two touchdowns were a result of two big plays. One, a 39 yard run by Harrison, and two, a 41 yard pass to Massaquoi which would of been picked off by anyone worth a crap (thank goodness we were playing the Bucs on that play).
This friggin' sucks. The guy has a good preseason, hurts his ankle, makes a couple bad throws and now people want Seneca F'in Wallace to take over. When will you people learn?Man I hope his ankle is ok.
I hope his ankle is ok also.
But who cares about preseason? We now know that Delhomme can move the ball against 2nd and 3rd stringers (by the way, the Bucs secondary looked like 2nd stringers out there much of the game). Problem is, Delhomme has had troubles moving the ball against 1st stringers the past year and a half.
Wallace gives us more options. Not the answer, but not so sure it is a downgrade from what we have in Delhomme.
