@sony-reed said:You say when we win, what makes you believe with Mangini we will win? I just want to know why you have so much confidence in Mangini Just last year we had a team many felt was on the brink of being a playoff contender, Mangini came in and got rid of 2 playmakers in Edwards and Winslow, while true they did not want to be here, but why was neither replaced with playmakers?, we had the #5 pick in the entire draft yet we continued to trade down to get a freakin center, now I understand you needed help on the oline, but knowing you wanted to get rid of Edwards or he was not going to resign with us why not trade down and get one of the many playmakers available in the draft a Harvin, Maclin, Nicks type player, in round 2 we draft 2 wide receivers, we all know it takes most rookie receivers a few years to adapt to the NFL game, I could see drafting one receiver but not 2 when this team needed a running back and pass catching tight end neither of which was addressed in the draft (Shonn Green looked pretty good yesterday)now look at all the ex jets we brought in, none of them have really made any type of impact, are you telling me the money we spent on those ex Jets could not have went to get a better RT than St.Clair or better guard than Womack, what about on defense where we all saw Mcdonald having problems giving up big plays last year and we bring in ex Jets in Hank Poteat and corey Ivey, or at LB we could not have done better than barton and Bowens? The blame IMO lies with Mangini because these are his guys, the guys he wanted, there is no excuse for not having a veteran wide receiver on this team someone better than Mike Fuerry or a better tight end than Royal, the draft IMO did not address the needs, are you going to tell me drafting a project in Veikune or a specials team player in Maiva was a better option than getting a running back or CB or pass rushing LB. We trade Braylon, now I don't have a problem with trading Braylon my problem is getting a slot receiver and a specials team linebacker in return, once again we get rid of a playmaker and don't add another playmaker this is all on Mangini What about Jerome Harrison something has to be wrong, the guy can't get more carriers than over the hill Jamal Lewis, 2 coaching staffs now have decided that harrison is not good enough to start yet we don't draft a running back IMO Mangini has done more to hurt this team than to improve this team, and I don't see anything in the future to make me believe that all of a sudden things are going to change for the good with Mangini, so we have 11 draft picks of the 11 realistically how many will actually contribute2-3 maybe the remaing that make the team will be depth we will be lucky to get 2-3 starters out of the draft and this team will need more than 2-3 new starters I believe he can win because he has in the past with the same team Rex Ryan is just doing average with. We were not on the verge of playoffs last year we just got lucky in 07 and had an extremely average team then. Braylon was a locker room cancer if there ever was one(why do you think anderson was happy to be rid of him?) What we got in turn for the deal is the two draft picks and young receiver who can grow, and K2 is on his last legs literally and now on a team that is even worse then our own. Now with harrison I honestly don't know what the deal is, the only thing I can guess is that mangini realized early on that we werent going to win a lot of games, and is now protecting harrison from injury and allowing lewis to play out his last games of his career. Mangini is building a TEAM here not a group of me first players that are always barking for the ball in the huddle. Mangini and Kokinis was recommend do lerner by Ernie Accorsi, Ernie Accorsi is widely regarded as a great evaluator of front office talent as he has recommended the falcons front office, and they havent done very badly for themselves in atlanta. Remember kids its always darkest before dawn have a little faith.