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This buys Watson another start for sure. He played well enough today and the D helped him more than the 1st game.
Well, I'm shocked, I say. Watson looked like a semi competent starting NFL QB. And the defense played very well. Watson bought himself another start, but he will never be loved in Browns fandom. Play like crap this coming Sunday expect a chorus of boos.
The thing I wanted/want this year is for our QB's to have no excuses. But I'm about to make some:
We couldn't run the ball. Watson was our leading rusher. (Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before the backup QB is in the game. Watson will get hurt while running with the ball) We NEED the running game to take some pressure off of the passing game. That kinda' points to our newly revamped OL. And with the amount of play Watson has had in the last 3 years it might not be absurd to think that it may take a little time to catch back up to the speed of the live games.
We have a new HC. He's got a ton of NFL experience. He's got pretty much a clean slate right now. (though he should've called TO on 3rd & 2 near the opponent's goal line) And he thinks that Watson is the best QB we have right now. So, I've gotta trust him for now.
Our new HC is nuts- someone said "It's Monken er Monkey time." Go ahead, keep trotting this bum out until the season is over after a few more weeks. Yep #32 out of 32 starting QBs after week one. Per NFL.com Count me not surprised.
Deshaun Watson's numbers lied to you. He looked just as slow to make decisions as he did in the preseason, was consistently inaccurate (especially when unsettled by the pass rush), threw an awful interception on his third attempt of the season, ran himself into pressures with remarkably deep pass drops and generally played like a quarterback who hadn't seen regular-season action in two years. Todd Monken told reporters he found plenty to like in Watson's tape, ?but the only example I can support was his downfield shot to rookie Denzel Boston for a touchdown in garbage time. I think Week 2 might be his last shot to prove he's still worth rostering -- that is, unless Monken stubbornly keeps rolling with him.
Its been awhile...but I just checked back in to see what was being said around here and see that the board is coming to an end. It was a long time ago when Stan and I were discussing on AOL one night how to keep the message board running and he set this place up. Good to see its been taken care of the last few years since we lost Stan.
Sorry to see it go...nice to see some familiar names still around here. But sadly, I kindof have the same feelings as Hoorta. I cancelled Sunday ticket this year, choosing to save the several hundred dollars and just stick with the Red Zone.
I'll keep checking in to see what happens and if 10/16 is the last day, I'll be here to give it the proper send off!
Mark
Good to see you again Mark... Yeah, it's a mess. I hope BB can get the data. He seems to be tech savvy enough to straighten this out. Then there's the $1,000 a year to keep the board running. LOL, I'll contribute... On one condition- and I'm pretty sure you have an idea of what it is.
Including the 3rd pass of the game??
BTW I've been walking daughter's dog before sunrise during our ongoing drought recently and have seen your namesake very clearly including of course Betelgeuse, which most don't know is part of Orion.
LOL, the long time astronomer in me- I can rattle off the other major stars in Orion starting at Betelguese and going clockwise.. Bellatrix, Rigel, Saiph. My Starry Night program tells me the belt stars have names too, as well as several other stars in Orion. Then you get just numbers like 47 Oriontis. And if you're out in the country away from city lights, you can make out the Orion Nebula without binoculars or a telescope. ?
I hear that. And I agree almost 100%. Again though, fan view from 5000'. And that's not how you coach. You have to play the best players at each position (for the job at hand). That's what the HC owes the players. Sure, when the game is hopelessly lost you can sub in some backups to get them some playing time to see how they do. And the same holds true for the season. Once the season is lost you can give more time to backups. It's a little different if you've just drafted one of the best QB's in the draft who is to become your long term franchise QB. You'll be wanting to get him on the field as soon as you can....without rushing him in there before he's ready. So, he may go in there before he's technically better than the current veteran starter. (Sanders was drafted in the 5th round)
So, at this point in the season (the very beginning) the argument is about Who is the better QB. Not who is the most popular with the fans. Not who might be here next year and who may not. We're one game out of first. The new HC, with no loyalty, no ties to either player, has determined that neither Sanders, Gabriel, or Green had shown to be better than Watson.
Monken two three years? He may not last the season Orion. I heard a clip of his post game presser- and he's on some sort of drugs starting Watson again for a damn near guaranteed loss. Buccaneers -5.5, 78% probability to win outright.
A more objective look from NFL.com...
"Watson's first start goes even worse than expected. Deshaun Watson's selection as Browns starter defied logic, and his performance Sunday only made reality more frustrating for Browns fans. Watson threw an ugly interception on his third pass attempt of the season, routinely appeared overwhelmed by the speed of the game and a pass rush that eagerly feasted on his unusually long pass drops, and frequently missed his targets even when free from pressure. His only high-quality throw of the game came in garbage time, when he launched a deep ball to Denzel Boston for the rookie's first touchdown. Sure, the Browns didn't help themselves (11 accepted penalties for 75 yards), but in any other scenario with any other team, there would be no reason Watson is playing. These Browns are a unique case, though, and they'll likely subject their fans to this misery again for at least one more week."
Unless you have the QB room that we have. And the HC is telling you, As much as we may want Sanders to be the starter, he's just not as good as Watson. That's where we're at. And I don't want Haslam telling Monken who to play. We've got to let this season play out and then attack the QB position next April. (if it turns out that that's what's needed...and so far, in the early going, it looks like that's what's needed)
Anymore Orion, I'm not buying the corporate BS Monken- or anyone else in the Browns organization is spewing. Said it as soon as Watson was named the starter. It's tank-a-thon time. Obvious to this fan. Great- Watson had a garbage time TD to pad his stats. Call me not impressed. You've seen it on this board- that a bunch of us old timers just don't care anymore. And the young 'uns have never seen a Browns team that's been consistently good, so why should they care either? Haslam has pretty much lost what used to be the most loyal and dedicated fan base. You can only put up with shit football for so long.
If some of you still have your rose colored glasses on, I'll lay heavy odds when the NFL Power Rankings come out in a few days the Browns will solidly be the #32 team- and it won't be close. We're going to get laughed at- so get ready for it.
Her name isn't Laurie is it? A 10 grade girlfriend of that name moved to Toledo. Oh wait, she's in Dallas now twice divorced.
Never mind.?
No, the wife grew up in Toledo. Went to Miami (Ohio) and worked at the same hospital I did at the time. How we met. Somehow, we've managed to not get divorced after many years. Our 40th wedding anniversary is next month.
The browns finally did it. I suffered through 32 years of disasters since 1994 when I was 14 years years old - essentially the last year of the franchise that is now the Ravens. I managed to suffer all those years and maintain a fandom but I just cant be bothered to actually care anymore. I dont see where they're going and I don't even care. Maybe one day they'll get their shit together, but as for now I'm much happier just watching the national games because I do love football.
See my post- I've suffered much longer than you. My wife's family is from Toledo, so I'm now rooting for the Lions.
"THEY ARE WHO WE (I)THOUGHT THEY WERE".
Guys, I've been a Browns fan for 70 years of my life. I finally learned to not get emotionally involved in Browns wins or losses- the losses will be many this year. Can we have another 0-17 parade? Really glad I dumped my season tickets. That performance today can only be described as a CLOWN SHOW. Horrible in every way. I've seen enough great qb play after just one game to say Watson SUCKS. Unless by some miracle- I can say this guys is the most overpaid bum in the NFL. washed up more than a beached whale. Told the guys everyone should do a shot for every interception Watson threw. Didn't take long, did it? Didn't help that the defense played like crap either. Penalties galore. I actually dozed off the end of the 4th quarter. ?
It's well past time, this board hasn't been good for a long time
Well DHB, I haven't been around much- and I'm pretty sure you know the reason why.
I could go on a rant- RE: the Board- but I won't. I'm one of the few originals left. I go all the way back to the AOL Message Boards, and the iterations that this board has gone through. But 25 years of suckdom since 1999 has finally worn me out. I dropped my season tickets, I wasn't about to pay $4,000+ to watch shitty football. Or become a loss leader Ticket Broker on NFL Ticket Exchange getting 30 cents on the dollar if I was lucky. End of last season- you couldn't give those tickets away.
Haslam doing what he wants- not what the fans wanted. Take your dome and shove it Jimmy. OH and hit the remaining season ticket holders up for more money when your new palace opens? I have no doubts comparable seats in the new place will top $5,000 for a pair when the new place opens. Welcome to corporate NFL.
Davon Booth is our leading rusher in preseason. Should he be the starting RB?
We had a camp battle between a past 1st round pick pro bowler against a second year 5th round pick that nobody on this board besides me wanted us to draft. And we're shocked that the 1st rounder won the battle??
Some want to say that it's a Haslam's mandate that Watson be named the starter. When in reality, about 9 months ago, Haslam called the Watson deal a Swing And A Miss. Now his Swing And A Miss QB is named the starter by a new and impartial HC. This doesn't seem like it's making Haslam look any smarter.
This thing has played out just about exactly as I've been saying it would all along. We start the season with the veteran 1st round pick, on the road for two weeks, away from the hostile home crowd. If he plays really well, he keeps the job. If he plays really horrid in FL then maybe Sanders starts the home opener. More likely, he'll not play great or awful and we'll have to wait a bit for him to get himself hurt...because he plays dumb and takes on tacklers when he runs. Then we'll see Sanders play. He will eventually get hurt because he will be playing dumb and taking on tacklers because his job depends on him winning games and keeping the team from drafting a QB in round 1 next year. Of which, IMO, will be our future...bundling picks to take a new QB in '27. But we'll see how many college QB's ruin their draft rankings and how many improve theirs by the end of November.
I'll respect your opposing POV Orion. BUT... And IF Watson plays true to form as he has in the three season he actually played in Cleveland? Then what? We've tossed two games in the toilet on a bad bet that he can somehow regain the form he showed in Houston. That was ancient history. Actually, I hope he somehow does regain his pro bowl form, But from what I've seen of him this preseason, looks more like Akilli Smith. Horrible bad.
If Haslam called him a swing and a miss- but now he's somehow better that Sanders? That would say Sanders must really suck. I'll go with the out of town talking heads on this one- that the consensus is the Browns have lost their collective minds starting a washed up Watson.
Why don't you show proof he does since you're the one making the accusation?
Then after you prove it, tell us your point.
Jax, you're one of the more reasonable folks here, and I don't have any grudges directed towards you. Actually- I'm sort of shocked Cal has yet to get the last word in- that 100% of the time he always does. Personally- I don't give a rat's ass what he thinks of me. It's been said about DJT, every accusation is a confession. In Cal's case I consider the source, & take that FWIW. Short of posting on some far right message boards- he'd be banned on 95% of political message boards that have neutral moderation. That would be my point. It's better for my mental sanity and peace of mind to just walk away from the stuff that goes on here.
I'm retired medical Jax- and if we're talking about DJT- his medical and mental problems are pretty obvious. Congestive heart failure causes your extremities to swell up. Bloated ankles anyone? Sure, there's some medications that can cause that- like calcium channel blockers. If you still believe those purple hands are due to shaking too many hands, I've got some beachfront property in Arizona for you. (now purple splotches moving up his arms) I didn't post it before- but I will now... Totally normal eh? Hit it with a hammer helping out with the Ballroom construction. ? Some have posited that huge bump on his butt is a ventricular assist device- would make sense if he's in the last stages of CHF. Noted that many sources have remarked about the smell about him when he fills up that diaper. It does happen in advanced dementia when said subject doesn't even realize his bowels or bladder have let go.
Other than confusing Greenland with Iceland, (and the Islamic Republic of Japan) I'll say a word that you may not be familiar with.... Confabulation. Believing something is 100% true- when reality says otherwise. I can start with the Reflecting Pool, but there's plenty of other instances. Regarding Dozing Donnie\Don Snoreleone... Do you really think it's appropriate for the President of the United States to obviously & regularly be nodding off in cabinet meetings and press conferences? He's sundowning Jax... Dozing all day, and rage posting all night. (or having diaper girl helping him out with it.) So LOL, good night... Me working second shift for 30+ years has permanently messed up my circadian rhythm. My bedtime is 3AM, and I'm almost never up before 10 in the morning.
you are wrong, just another hater that attributes garbage against anyone who sees reality, and has honest opinions about political issues.
you hit and run like the disingenuous coward that you are. I don't nickname people unless they are bitchy and dishonest constantly, trying to start
trouble on the forum. That is you and the woodpecker. Always have been. If you weren't such a liar, you'd put me on ignore, but you keep complaining that I post stuff.
You can't control the rest of us, dominate every conversation with your arrogance and ignorance showing.
You left because most of us have zero respect for you as a human being. You started it over on the Browns forum, where I didn't post much.
We also got tired of your threats to use you wimpy mod powers to censor posts that made you look like the whore-ta that you are.
You are too ignorant to actually talk political issues - and you are extremely dishonest. and you reek of arrogant and belligerent stupidity in every post.
I still LOL remembering how you angrily posted that glaciers calve and that means the globe is going to burn up soon.
Yeah, that was years ago.
LOL, Cal you're the one living in some alternate reality. Aw, coward, liar.. Poor snowflake Cal... Says the board hog, with serious mental issues.. Arrogant and stupid? I'll pull a Charlie Kirk on you. Prove me wrong that Donald Trump has serious medical issues that I just pointed out. I'll leave you to your safe space here. You're a sad guy who wants to yell at people to stay off of his lawn. Woody is just more tolerant than I am at your unhinged bullshit.
assbird woodpecker called his nanny in again. Whoreta the Lurker to the "rescue".
Nah, I've probably made 5 posts or so in the last 5 months. Main reason being I'm not into seeing a guy with mental issues spam the board with garbage. Plenty of other places to get all the football or political info I need without having to deal with nut jobs.
Yeah Cal- that's you. Take after your Orange Messiah with the name calling at anyone who happens to have a different POV and disagrees with you. I've learned it's senseless to try and have a conversation with the 45\47 Cult.
I'll leave you with this- DJT probably doesn't have much time left before he completely falls apart. Swollen ankles, and that bruising isn't just on his hands anymore, it's running all the way up his arm. I won't bother posting a picture of his completely purple thumb that just showed up. LOL, Sleepy Joe? He just managed the rare feat of falling asleep while he was standing up. Looks like sundowning and congestive heart failure to me. Yep the peace President seems to have gotten us in a forever war with no way out. Thought Iran was going to be just like Venezuela. Kill the Allatoyah, drop a few bombs and the war would be over in a few weeks. Thought wrong.
It'll certainly be easy if the Browns start 0-2 on the road which almost seems inevitable. None of the sports talk shows can believe this decision. We're Cleveland Browns fans so if it's outageous - we been there. Done that! Rinsed and repeated and repeated and repeated.
Thought I'd stop by again Tom.. What a f**king bad decision. Sorry, but Sanders obviously outplayed Watson in the two preseason games.. So they bench him and start a guy who went 5-12 with an int and a qbr of 14? Are they out of their f**king minds?
The only explanation I have is the Tank-a-Thon is the Browns strategy this year. Suck for Arch 2027. ?
PS- I was thinking of hopping on a plane and stay at my friends son's place down Tampa way for the Browns game... But no way in hell I'm wasting money to see Watson play like crap.
While I recognize this makes Trump the king of the nursing home around here, can any of you say with a straight face that this isn't weird?
It's being said she's his bag, er- diaper lady. With that level of devotion, she probably doesn't have a problem with that aspect of her job. BTW, sort of curious what that huge bump on Trump's rump was. Too big to be a diaper. Ventricular assist device anyone? The Cult can deny it all they want- but it's pretty obvious DJT is falling apart rapidly of late.
Just stopping by to say hello. ?Thanks to our local Channel 7 blocking the NFLN live feed of the game- so that they could show the replay at midnight I only was able to watch the first half. OK, Sanders looked good, and the INT really wasn'this fault. Did have pretty good O-line protection.
The reports I've seen said that Watson looked horrid- and got booed pretty badly. From that, and how crappy he played against the Bears- the QB decision is pretty obvious. Start Sanders. Watson is washed up, great- a $230 million dollar mistake. May as well cut him and be done with it. Browns can probably pick up a scrap heap backup QB when other teams start doing their cuts- they couldn't do any worse. Or work a trade with another team for a backup that would only involve a low draft pick.
For the record, I don't expect any of you to intelligently respond to this or admit anything based on reality. But always good to quickly call you out on your cult bullshit
Just swinging by for a second Woodster. Glad to see I still live rent free in Cal's head. ?
By God, it was vandalism.. Trump can never admit when he fucks up. Always someone else's fault. He's just a very dangerous completely delusional 80 year old shell of a human being. Heard he shot a 70 at his latest golf tournament too. ?
2024 Defensive Rookie of the Year, Verse was #53 of the top 100 players going into 2025 according to NFL.com. Close by at #55 was Detroit's DE Aiden Hutchison and SF's DE Nick Bosa at #57. That's pretty damn good company with a lot of upside for years to come IMO. Throw in the others and the deal was a good one for the future.
Well Tex, my future is now. As far as I'm concerned the Browns kicked the can at least three seasons down the road. Berry may have the patience to wait until the 2028 season- but I don't. Not anymore, I've seen this act too many times already.
PR wise, it's a horrible move.
