Go back and read my pre draft assessment on Baker throwing outside of OU's play-action designs.
That's most of your problem.
What was your pre draft assessment on the two MVP's drafted recently Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson?
I know this forum didn't like the idea of taking Kyler Murray at #17 if he was available, which he wasn't, because there is nobody worth their football salt, possessing any decent insight into the game that would let him slide that far down the board.
yup- we need a bumpus.... How did that POS OBJ look today? Like win the game for Da Browns?
I don't think anybody believes OBJ is a POS when he feels like showing up. Production wise, he's had only two games with the Browns that warrant the kind of money he's making, and draft capital given up for him.
Giving a 1st+3rd+$15M+ a year for him remains highly questionable, especially how the draft played out with Jeffrey Simmons/Dexter Lawrence and all those WR's still available at pick #17.
Why? Who do you think they would face? See my playoff format thread.
idk I'm just messin' around. Haven't been a fan long enough to witness anything but failure, and I don't like our QB.
Well...you know what a good team is? A good team is one that beats the bums and draws even with the good teams.
So, how many more bums are on our schedule?
Giants/Jets/Bengals again/Eagles?/Texans?/Jags If they win those 6 and split the other 6-7? That would be 11 wins, an optimistic number? I will expect 10...and hate to settle for 9, but would.
10 wins then beaten like a drum the first round. As a Browns fan, I take it!
Ok. It just seemed terribly random is all. Like you finally get that limited edition My Little Pony you were after, but you’re too pissed off about the shitty waffles you were served 2 months ago to enjoy it.
I just watched him play. Random is probably the wrong word. Bitter is more like it.
This is what’s at the forefront of your mind right now?
Yes.
Do we start planning the SB parade now that they've beaten two of the worst teams in the league? Check the Ravens game to see how they stack up against contenders.
Still can't believe they traded a kings ransom for Beckham and his huge cap hit. Going into the draft it was considered to be a very strong WR draft class.
WRs available at #17:
DK Metcalf
Marquise Brown
Deebo Samuel
AJ Brown
Terry McLaurin
Kyler Murray is fun to watch. Could be Wilson 2.0 soon.
Found a couple more of Kinlaw. Tripped in the first one then came back with the swim move.
My current top 4 for pick #10:
1. DL Javon Kinlaw
2. RT Isaiah Wilson
3. S Grant Delpit
4. LB Isaiah Simmons
Assuming Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Andrew Thomas, Jeff Okudah are all off the board by #10.
And I haven't watched enough of Wills, Becton and Wirfs yet.
I don't think the Senior Bowl has been played yet.
senior bowl practice.
And I deleted my post after you replied because I realized I haven't even see much of Wills, Becton and Wirffs.
Anyways I could only find a few vids of Kinlaw at the SB practice on twitter which is why I'm wondering if anyone has seen more of him, but he's said to have dominated by the twitter user below...here are the few clips
Best scenario would be LT Andrew Thomas having a Laremy Tunsil esque drop to #10, and RT Isaiah Wilson somehow being available in the early 2nd rd.
Would for sure consider taking Wilson at #10 if Thomas is gone.
Haven't watched much of Wirfs or Wills but neither have yet to declare anyways.
#1 Thomas
#2 Wilson
First round has to be OT. Seriously, stop messing around. 14 is a good spot for one of Wirfs / Wills / Jackson. Yes, I'm assuming we win the coin flip w Carolina. I'm not sold on the Louisville guy.
Second round has to be LB/S if Randall or Schobert walks.
We have Titans' 3rd in addition to ours because Duke Johnson is good [who knew?] so we'd have 14 and something in the 20's.. LB/S/DL.
Just checked, Wirfs isn't expected to declare. ?
Personally hoping for an Andrew Thomas bong rip video to surface.
I feel like this is gonna be bad for us in a year or so
pfft no way this scrub beats Baker head to head
He is literally nothing like Mahomes. Murray runs to run, Patrick runs to throw. On top of the fact Mahomes has the stature to survey the field in a way Kyler can only dream and the accuracy + arm to put the ball wherever he likes.
His speed accounts for little because he isn't fast enough to outrun most defenses and when he doesn't he takes some considerable punishment - which is where his size comes into play.
To answer your last question - it's both. Drafting Murray is, in word, dumb. I also don't see an NFL skill set in Murray and should he go in the 1st round I pray it's to an AFC team. Weaker competition means better playoff path for the Browns. The kid struggled with some pretty vanilla looks Bama gave him in the early going. Think it won't be twice as bad in the NFL?
You throw around the word dumb a lot, but you clearly haven't watched the guy or you yourself are.....dumb?
Maholmes and Murray have the same ability to be running at full speed out of pressure and throwing a dart downfield on a dime for a game changing completion. His arm strength, accuracy, elusiveness, creativity.all compare to Maholmes. He's like a Mahomes, Lamar Jackson hybrid.
The only HUGE concerns are his size (1 inch shorter than Russell Wilson) and whether or not he'll choose baseball.
First and foremost - QB, unlike any other position on the field, isn't one you 'shore up' with that kind of redundancy. Especially by taking another QB first round and said QB has an incredibly questionable NFL skill set.
Now, can you take a mid to late round QB who you see as someone that can be groomed into a good backup QB? Maybe. But you don't help your young QB's development by drafting the position again simply for the sake of "competition". Baker is a fiery and competitve guy as is. So you aren't pushing him more than he pushes himself already. Also, if the guy you drafted can't win the position your return on investment sure as shit won't be a 1st rounder. Best to draft elsewhere and improve the supporting cast.
There is nobody worth their football salt, possessing any decent insight into the game that will agree with you here. This board or other wise.
It's not just for competition and depth, it''s making it a much higher probability that they've finally got an elite franchise QB they've never had.
His skill set is comparable to Patrick Mahomes minus the height, but faster. If Patrick Mahomes was entering the draft this April, would you consider him at pick #17 if he was available based of his college production? Just wanna know if it's truly that you don't want another QB, or if it's just the player you don't like in Murray.
Kyler Murray in the 1st LOLOLOLOL. That's good stuff.
I've wanted Kyler Murray as our 1st round pick for a few months now if they're certain he chooses football. Having Mayfield and Murray competing with each other could produce amazing results while providing depth at the most important position. They'll be able to trade/flip one of them in a couple seasons after they find their guy.
Cheesy, but I was looking for a pic of the two together for a min and this is all I got
