Nice thread on a tough subject and reasonably reported by most...........maybe there is a god

@shepwrite said:That would be beyond insane. McCoy's QBR is now over 85, amazing for a rookie who just faced murderer's row and lived to tell. What in Wallace's career as a backup suggests we have a better chance to win with him? I don't buy it. If it smells fishy, it probably is. I really do think Mangini would be stamping his ticket straight out of town. Not just rookie Shep- first four games as a rookie. I can honestly say I don't believe what I'm seeing out of Colt so far. Better than Kosar's rookie year? Yup. If Stukey steps out of bounds instead of fumbling- and Dawson kicks the game winner- the kid would already be a legend in C-town after his first four games. IMHO that's just some ESPN talking head stirring the pot. You can bet the ranch whatever Mangini does with Colt, he's talked it over with Big Mike, and has his full blessing to proceed. At this point- barring a miraculous running the table, the Browns aren't making the playoffs- so you may as well see what you have in Colt- we already know what we have in Wallace. And unless McCoy AND Wallace are both hurt, that's the last we've seen of Jake. And some interesting stats about the Jags defense. 27th overall, 27th in points allowed, and 29 in passing yards. NO reason not to play Colt on Sunday.

ghoolie, how you can leave phuck simms and dan dickdorf out of your fight equation is beyond me...

@gafreleets said:hasn't this been your excuse for the last 15yrs? still gonna be the excuse after 30 yrs? Try having your team ripped from your city and then keep missing on draft picks/coaches and see how long you dwell on the bottom. If the Browns never get taken to Baltimore I would say we would be right there with Steelers and be competing year in and year out.

@strangebru said:True, like not sucking for 41 years before winning their first NFL Championship. Thank God the Ravens won their first Championship within 6 years of being in Baltimore, but the Browns did it instantaniously. From their inception in 1946-1964 they won 8 pro-football championships, you have to admit that 8 championships in 18 years is impressive. LOL... Thats IS Impressive ( Though I wont get into the TYPES of Titles they were) , its still a heck of a Start. But IF you want to look at it that way ...how UNIMPRESSIVE has your last 46 yrs been ? Steelers ...just the Opposite. We are in similar Boats at that Point. I DO like Our Trek Better... its Fresher . But right now ??? We are just "also~ ran`s" right now... looking to Set ourselves up for another opportunity. we will see...

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:Hillis was finding holes pretty easily with the same line. Just face it, Harrison is not what everybody thinks he is. He's a middle of the road back at the very best, and he had a fluke season against some terrible teams. Get him the hell out of Cleveland while you still can, his value is dropping fast. I agree that Harrison is average. But Hillis would be a well below average starting running back in the NFL. Tell you what, why don't you name all of the starting NFL running backs that Hillis would be better than.

Dawgfanforever88 said:Nobody really nominated them, its kind of like when a throne is empty its up for grabs. Anyone of us couldve became dawgpound mike, but im not sure that id want to. i didn't mean "nominated" literally, i was just being sarcastic.

Mangini has began to impress me of late ,as both a coach and as a man..when you look over what he has accomplished from beginning to end as a coach he is bringing back our trademark identity of toughness in the trenches ,he has rid the team of the losers cancer that was eating us alive ,he has installed discipline and at least given us a little hope for next year and beyond.... As a man he has finally "got it" cleveland fans dont want bullshit and headgames we want a coach that is fan friendly and as honest and open as possible ,a destroyer of our opponents and a good coach to our players ,some may say he is just playing for his job but i think we are seeing the real eric mangini and i like him... This is not an endorsement of brainy daboll in any way as a matter of fact i believe daboll is largely responsible for mangini's predicament and must be fired...

@joker-boy said:find the wiki info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns about a 3rd way down on the page under the fans section A 2006 study conducted by Bizjournal determined that Browns fans are the most loyal fans in the NFL. The study, while not scientific, was largely based on fan loyalty during winning and losing seasons (however, it does not account for the ratio of winning to losing seasons by a team), attendance at games, and challenges confronting fans (such as inclement weather or long-term poor performance of their team).[30] The study noted that Browns fans filled 99.8% of the seats at Cleveland Browns Stadium during the last seven seasons, despite a combined record of 36 wins and 76 losses over that span. WIN LOSE OR DRAW BABY BROWNS FAN FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!! Props.... And you damn sure do Whine and Cry. Sounds like a Nursery school Message Board at times. And yes we gladly join your at that sometimes.

@dawgpound3 said:You suck. Here's your team: One Big Fat EPIC FAIL. hmm... Following a SuperBowl... Fair Trade i guess. We will be back Sooner than Later !

whatever happened to being mature about a loss? guess he's going out just like whines hard.

@bjh2130 said:Against the second worst defense in the league. franchise record means every quaterback ever to play in cleveland i forgot though no other qb ever played a bad team. you know football so well. you say you're a football fan but secretly love americas next top model.