Zombo said:
I know some Bucs fans liked him, but they are not the most knowledge sorts. He is more experienced and drafted much higher than Asante, so I'm hoping he finds a home with us.Zombo
Dumbo!
Show me ONE Bucs fan that likes him now. That guy is absolute garbage. He was outplayed by a 7th round rookie, even with experience he sucks at coverage, whiffs tackles and earns penalties on special teams.
A dumbass like you commenting on Bucs fans' knowledge, oh the irony.
If both of them switch to RB then you may have a point. As far as the FB position goes it isn't close. Good job of showing off your general football knowledge.
mikeyP72 said:
LOL comparing FB rushing yards in a season? Graham was a RB that's why his stats are that high moron.
Sorry to disappoint you, but he was a FB from 08 onwards. And yes, he was a RB before then, but he has the stats which matters. So all your FB does is block? The best FB of the league indeed, lol.
OFFENSE:QB Jake Delhomme vs. Josh Freeman BROWNS
RB Jerome Harrison vs. Cadillac Williams BROWNS
FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Earnest Graham BROWNS
WR1 Moe. Massaquoi vs. Mike Williams BUCCANEERS
WR2 Brian Robiskie vs. Sammie Stroughter BROWNS
TE Ben Watson vs. K2 BROWNS
C Alex Mack vs. Jeff Faine BROWNS
LT Joe Thomas vs. Danad? Penn BROWNS
LG Eric Steinbach vs. Keydrick Vincent BROWNS
RG Pork Chop Womack vs. Davin Joseph BROWNS
RT John St. Clair vs. Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!) BUCCANEERS
DEFENSE:
LDE Robaire Smith vs. Kyle Moore BROWNS
NT Shaun Rogers vs. Gerald McCoy # BUCCANEERS
RDE Kenyon Coleman vs. Stylez White BROWNS
OLB Matt Roth vs. Quincy Black BROWNS
OLB Scott Fujita vs. Geno Hayes BROWNS
MLB Eric Barton vs. DT Ray Miller# BROWNS
MLB Chris Gocung vs. Barret Ruud BUCCANEERS
LCB Eric Wright vs. Aqib Talib * BROWNS
RCB Sheldon Brown vs. Ronde Barber BROWNS
SS Abram Elam vs. Sean Jones BUCANEERS
FS TJ Ward vs. Tanard Jackson BROWNS
SPECIAL TEAMS:
K Phil Dawson vs. Connor Barth BROWNS
P Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan BROWNS
H Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan BROWNS
LS Ryan Pontbriand vs. Andrew Economus BROWNS
PR Josh Cribbs vs. Sammie Stroughter
KR Josh Cribbs vs. Kareem Huggins
Now this is borderline moronic. Tanard Jackson is the best safety in the whole division, period. T.J. Ward? Who the xxxx is he? And are you serious with Sheldon Brown > Ronde, a CB with HOF credentials?
Alex Mack just happens to be a 1st round pick, but did you know Jeff Faine was the most sought after FA O-linemen in NFL in 08? He was the highest paid Center in the league for an year, for a good reason. Pork Chop Womack > Davin Joseph? Are you out of your friggin mind? Pork Chop if I am not mistaken is that castoff from Seahawks, Davin Joseph was a pro-bowler a season back.
Scott Fujita, lol, that scrub. Always enjoyed facing Saints defense until Vilma came. Fujita was one of the more famous scrubs on their defensive side. Because he has come from a SB winning team, you guys seem high on him. Saints defense was putrid not too long ago and this guy was a major part of the problem. Geno Hayes on the other hand, has only 1 season under his belt as a starter, look at his stats, he had a better season than any of Fujita's.
Kenyon Coleman, now who the hell is this guy. I know you will say the same about Stylez White, but compare the stats and you will know who is better.
Wait a minute, now Eric Wright is better than Talib? LOL, Talib and Dominique Rodgers Cromartie are considered to be in tier next to Revis, Bailey and Asomugha.
Benjamin Watson is better than K-II? I wonder what you would have said if K-II still was a Brown. Anyone in the league knows K-II is an All-Pro talent when healthy. Benjamin Watson is a castoff, enough said.
One thing that makes you look like a bigger moron than you already are, Gerald McCoy is better than Shaun Rogers? LOL. McCoy has not done squat in the NFL, Rogers when plays all out is a monster.
The one I am certain you got wrong was at Fullback. Vickers frankly may be the best in the business.I doubt you are right about several other of your selections, but I don't have enough knowledge sufficient to tell who may or may not be better.
I left many/most of mine blank because I just didn't know
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I am currently looking at the stats of Lawrence Vickers, your FB. He has never had a 100 yd season, let alone game. Look at Earnest Graham's stats now. 900 yds in 07, 560 yds in 08 and a good amount of receiving yards as well.
This ebonics using Retard should of spent more time in class
May be you should spend more time in English 101 class.
The Panthers had the second highest YPC in the NFL last year. How exactly is that holding them back?
You could say they had the 2nd best YPC despite Delhomme last season.
You guys know very little about Delhomme and Panthers run game, very little. You have to be a NFC South fan, especially a Bucs fan (Panthers have been their main rivals since formation of NFC South) to understand what Jake Delhomme really is. A glorified game manager in his prime, a liability as of late. In case you have forgotten, let me remind you that Delhomme was "released" by Panthers in the off-season.
oh yeah? with your starting corner out and the Browns solid running game/dominant O-Line to keep the pass Defense honest? doubt it. Don't forget Freeman is also injured don't forget thatPass defense : Bucs can't really argue this, yet. We have 2 very promising rookies starting though, and I know how much you trolls like to put stock in unproven rookies.
STs: PushLOL. Our coverage teams are excellent. Our kicking game is excellent. Our return game is the best in the league. And you call this a push? LOL
Yes our starting corner is out, but we have the other starter (Ronde). Please enlighten me which receiver on your team should I be concerned about? Massaquoi is a decent talent, but no burner, sure Talib will be missed, but not by much. And who is throwing the ball anyways? Jake? LOL, you guys will be disappointed. You will be asking for Seneca or Colt to start from week 5-6. Freeman was injured, he has recovered. He is a strong armed QB and can extend the field unlike Delhomme. Your run game is good, but not as good as the Panthers run game last year. You now have the QB that held Panthers running game back btw.
STs is a push. If you look at ST rankings from last season, you will see that Bucs have been as good as the Browns in both return game as well as coverage. Check your facts before you LOL brownie.
OK, I asked the bucnut to do this, but apparently he couldn't "get it up" to do it, so I will.Here are the starters of the Browns and Bucs per their respective website depth charts. Give who you think has the edge in each of these matchups:
OFFENSE:
QB Jake Delhomme vs. Josh Freeman
RB Jerome Harrison vs. Cadillac Williams
FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Earnest Graham
WR1 Moe. Massaquoi vs. Mike Williams
WR2 Brian Robiskie vs. Sammie Stroughter
TE Ben Watson vs. K2
C Alex Mack vs. Jeff Faine
LT Joe Thomas vs. Danad? Penn
LG Eric Steinbach vs. Keydrick Vincent
RG Pork Chop Womack vs. Davin Joseph
RT John St. Clair vs. Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!)
DEFENSE:
LDE Robaire Smith vs. Kyle Moore
NT Shaun Rogers vs. Gerald McCoy #
RDE Kenyon Coleman vs. Stylez White
OLB Matt Roth vs. Quincy Black
OLB Scott Fujita vs. Geno Hayes
MLB Eric Barton vs. DT Ray Miller#
MLB Chris Gocung vs. Barret Ruud
LCB Eric Wright vs. Aqib Talib *
RCB Sheldon Brown vs. Ronde Barber
SS Abram Elam vs. Sean Jones
FS TJ Ward vs. Tanard Jackson
SPECIAL TEAMS:
K Phil Dawson vs. Connor Barth
P Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan
H Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan
LS Ryan Pontbriand vs. Andrew Economus
PR Josh Cribbs vs. Sammie Stroughter
KR Josh Cribbs vs. Kareem Huggins
* Aqib Talib is suspended for this game, but is the starter on their depth chart
# Browns play the 3-4, Bucs play the 4-3 so I had to put a MLB against a DT here.
Give your thoughts on the comparative talents. I honestly except for a few positions am not really able to give a full comparison.
Bolded names are better talents than their non bolded counterparts.
Positions with no names bolded indicate a push.
Bucs are going to put the Brownies in the Walls of Jericho on Sunday, and reinforce the notion that you are, still, in fact, the BROWNS:Indeed, we are:
member of the class of 2007.
Pro Football Hall of Famers
Inducted No. Player name Tenure Position(s)
1965 60, 14 Otto Graham 1946–1955 Quarterback
1967 — Paul Brown 1946–1962 Head coach
1968 76, 36 Marion Motley 1946–1953 Fullback
1971 32 Jim Brown 1957–1965 Fullback
1974 46, 76 Lou Groza 1946–1959
1961–1967 Offensive tackle
Placekicker
1975 56, 86 Dante Lavelli 1946–1956 Wide receiver
1976 53, 80 Len Ford 1950–1957 Defensive end
1977 30, 45, 60 Bill Willis 1946–1953 Middle guard
Offensive guard
1981 77 Willie Davis† 1958–1959 Defensive end
1982 83 Doug Atkins† 1953–1954 Defensive end
1983 49 Bobby Mitchell 1958–1961 Wide receiver
Halfback
1983 42 Paul Warfield 1964–1969
1976–1977 Wide receiver
1984 74 Mike McCormack 1954–1962 Offensive tackle
1985 22, 52 Frank Gatski 1946–1956 Offensive center
1987 18 Len Dawson† 1960–1961 Quarterback
1994 44 Leroy Kelly 1964–1973 Running back
1995 72 Henry Jordan† 1957–1958 Defensive tackle
1998 29 Tommy McDonald† 1968 Wide receiver
1999 82 Ozzie Newsome 1978–1990 Tight end
2003 64 Joe DeLamielleure 1980–1984 Offensive guard
2007 66 Gene Hickerson 1958–1960
1962–1973 Offensive guard
† Performance with Browns incidental to induction
Indeed we are:
Franchise NFL Championships AFL Championships AAFC Championships Super Bowls Total†
Green Bay Packers 11 3 12
Chicago Bears 8 1 9
Cleveland Browns 4 4[6] 8
New York Giants 4 3 7
Baltimore Ravens indeed have a great history.
Too bad, he is not REX Ryan.
Bucs 35 Browns 13.
Delhomme will suck against Bucs defense like he did for the last two seasons. Too bad, he does not have the Panther's O-line, 2 uber talented RBs and an All-Pro receiver to carry him.
Pass offense : Bucs
Rush offense : Browns
Overall offense: Bucs
Run defense : Browns
Pass defense : Bucs
Overall defense : Bucs
STs: Push
