Thanks,Brian... Sad to seem him fall so damn hard.. He's a tough kid.. I don't think we have seen the last of him.. be it here.. or elsewhere.

@kbndawg said:Hoyer playing proves that he sucks and when the Browns let him walk that move will be justified. Why can't you see that? Reality? If you want to say they were trying to be sure of what they had, so they were playing Hoyer to find out, then I get that. Hell, I've even said that... repeatedly... until today. But you seem to be saying that they knew he was bad, but played him anyway just to sour the fan base on him to "justify" not signing him. Yes?

@typicalbrowns said:I was surprised we didn't see even a "little" JFF, Hoyer needs the PA pass to be successful He didn't last year when we had no running game. Wonder if Shanny's got anything other than the play action in the passing game? This loss was all between our ears..from the coaching staff to the players.

Shurmur is an idiot! How can you name starter such a Retard from day one? We've thrown a won game in the toilet just to stick to a dumb decision. Shurmur is an idiot!

Well, the defense is tired. If the Browns lose you can't blame the defense in any way.

@miktoxic said: some people might think the bengals are the worse team in the nfl, not me. remember convicts can be some of the toughest mothers out there. seriously though man vs man cincy vs cleveland who's got the better talent? In the trenches, Browns Speed guys, Bengals

I agree with the announcers in todays game, they stated out of all the teams that Cleveland is the most dominant team in the NFL right now and wont be in the playoffs. Its not how you start its how you finish.

That's a great story 88fingerslewy, and I had a similar encounter. I'm at the Sports book in Vegas with a bunch of friends and were watching like four games at once on the big screen. This fairly healthy looking guy in a wheel chair pulls up against the wall and is watching too (Fairly healthy in that he really don't look like he needs to be in a wheel chair, but no one asked). Anyhow, this other guy (50-ish) comes along and sits on this small end table, blocking the wheel chair guys view. The wheel chair guy pulls up along side of him in the isle and asked him to move. The guys tells him, 'no'. So they start about a 5-10min long exchange of F'-U's, and I think the guy rammed him a few times with the wheel chair and the guy still sitting on the table took a couple swipes at the wheel chair guy with a rolled up betting form magazine. The arguement was also about the wheel chair guy using that end table to sit his ash tray. They go on and on and our group is listening in and laughing our asses off. Several times someone stated, 'this is more entertaining then the games' ... well, the guy on the table still wouldn't move, so the wheel chair guy positioned his still lit cigarette butt under the guys ass on the table, then rolled back and watched it burn the guys ass. The wheel chair guy never even glanced over at us where we were practically rolling on the floor laughing. He then strolled away and the guy felt his ass on fire and patted it out. Ahhhh ... remember when the games were entertaining and the side shit use to be an unwanted distraction?

I'm in favor of it....ba da bing!

Maybe Lerner and SAvage want to ensure that we lose the remaining 3 games ..... oh Draft ! save me please (Not Miller Draft !)

@kbndawg said:Thankfully we will never have to hear (see) this bullshit again. Dorsey finishes out the year and Quinn begins a new era in '09. It's over let it die. It means nothing unless some new management/coaches are brought in this off-season and they may want da and bq to compete for starting position a real qb competition is something we havent had in many years due to biased and poor evaluation skills of clevelands coaches...