I definitely see us pushing picks back to next year due to all the opt outs etc this year limiting the FO’s knowledge on so many prospects But then again most other teams will want to do the same so will depend on any trade partners  Its a pretty fascinating draft for many years 

@kvoethe said: So its a win win!! something like that ya

@tour2ma said: Agree... and that is an argument for replay review per the college game. Point is that the target area is smaller than it once was and the circumstances are fewer, e..g, your "defenseless" edit (which was made after I quoted your post), but within those restrictions is still contact as hard as you remember from the "old days". There has been a pretty overt attempt to neuter the big hits in the NFL with rule changes and such, and then you compound that with the element of human error with referees trying to micromanage where players’ body parts are in relation to other players’ body parts during fast paced play and high speed collisions, and it really gets to be a bit of a clusterfuck. l mean, you’ll see a defender lunge at a ball carrier, and at the time of lunging the defender’s helmet wasn’t on a path to hit the other player’s helmet, but the ball carrier trips or something so by the time contact happens, boom, helmets graze and flags are thrown. And you see shit like that all the time. And it’s noble trying to look out for the players’ health and all, but how do you realistically officiate stuff like that? So despite a player’s best intentions, shit like that happens. And now they’re the big asshole who gave the other team a first down and kept their drive alive. And they don’t wanna be that asshole. They start thinking about “playing aggressive, but not TOO aggressive”.  I mean l get that the rules ate the rules, and it’s a contact sport and all. But it’s also the rules as interpreted by fallable people, and in the great scheme of winning football games the players can’t help but be aware of that to manipulate the situation as best as possible.

Strong cases for your guys...

@louisville-slugger said: They are good at what they do so they'll correct it once the evaluation process picks up. Another guy I like is Wes Hills RB out of slippery rock. 6'2 218. Hes projected to go in rounds 2-4 and is a powerful back that would be nice to have if Chubb get banged up I'm going to seem like a Iowa State homer but as far as running backs go I really like that Montgomery kid from Iowa State.

@darren15 said: DeSean Jackson wants out of Tampa .....would you offer the 5th we got for Gordon ? He wouldn't be my first choice but we really need to help our rookie QB. Last week it felt like Baker didn't trust his receivers in the first half. After all of the drops and wrong routes thats completely understandable. Here's the guys I would trade for 1. Sterling Shepard for a 3rd and Tyrod- NY just paid Beckham a ton of money and they dont have a ton of cap. Shepard is young and improving every year despite his QB being garbage.  2. Emanuel Sanders/ D. Thomas for a 4th. They are both rentals but are still playing good football. Sanders seems like the type of guy Dorsey likes but Thomas offers a size speed combo that we dont have on the roster. I would be happy with either. 3. DeSean Jackson for a 5th- another rental but he is what wish callaway was. He is still explosive and can stretch the field. 4. 5th for D. Parker- Parker has top 10-20 WR talent but he can't stay healthy. I would try and land one of guys I listed above and take a flyer on Parker. If he looks good we can tad and trade him this offseason or roll the dice and sign him

@suomi said: Trading down from both 1 and 4. Possible?  Only if Sashi was GM. No... not possible...

@hoorta said: Just my 0.02 here Gip. Look for Buffalo to try and jump into the top 4, And lets assume the Bills make it to #2 or #3. That will guarantee either Chubb or Barkley will be there at #4.  Hell- there could be a bidding war for the second and third picks, (possibly our #4 too) quarterbacks could go in the first three, and then we have our pick of whichever non qb we want at #4. I'd be in favor of it happening this way...     Well...that is the opposite of what I surmised.     But, that certainly could happen.   QB desperate teams vying for those picks.   Buffalo,  Jets,  maybe Broncos, maybe Cardinals.  Maybe Miami.

@syd said: and since seattle lost Lynch they have not been the same team on offense in fact until they get a running game they are a 7-9 team They've had the worst O-Line in the NFL since Lynch left (lost C-Unger, LT-Okung, RG-Sweezy, LG-Carpenter ect), and have relied upon fat over the hill Eddie Lacy, Rawls (Undrafted free agent) and Chris Carson (7th round pick) to take over for Lynch.    Rawls was great in his rookie season before his injury but never recovered and Chris Carson was great and remains to be seen how he'll look after breaking his ankle a couple games into his career. So they've struggled because of injuries and terrible run blocking as you can see: https://twitter.com/JeffRatcliffe/status/961262614671175681

@jimbojones said: Realistically, the Browns won't be contenders for AT LEAST another 2-3 years.  Usually teams that feel they're one or two pieces away from the Super Bowl do those types of moves trading high picks for huge contracts. Having cap room doesn't mean they should be giving away draft picks and huge contracts just because.  There's also a thing called cap rollover, so when we're actually competing, we can go out and have more money to get those final pieces. If they want to spend money, the Browns could sign a FREE AGENT like Sammy Watkins for cheaper than Landry and pick up a good slot guy like DJ Moore with that 3rd rounder (if they need a slot guy).  Trading away young, hungry, high picks with cheap salary isn't the answer. At pick #35, there will be enormous talent available like every year.  Doesn't necessarily have to be a WR. Keep the high picks, build a solid core then trade for the missing pieces later when we're ready. What is the odds of find an "enormous" talent in 2nd round? Not high. Things happen in time, and when the team is ready, they most likely won't have the draft capital then. Landry is young, is a proven WR who can help the team. The odds are even lower that you find someone close to his production at the same position in 2nd round. If the odds are finding a good player in the 2nd round is about 25%, probably lower, but then to narrow it down by position probably makes it less than 10%.  If the player isn't worth it, that is 1 thing, but to think you can find that value of player or enormous talent there is crazy. 17- Malik McDowell 16- Hunter Henry 15- Mario Edwards 14- Joel Bitonio 13- Zach Ertz 12- Courtney Upshaw Last 6 years, 1 Pro Bowler, 2 proven football players, and neither of those would I consider ENORMOUS talent

@jiggins7919 said: We didn't get Marcus Peters, Vontae Davis, and obviously Alex Smith. I realize free agency hasn't begun, but it'd be nice to get in on the early action A LITTLE bit. Right now, there's going to be a few big names available from the secondary positions. The biggest name is Trumaine Johnson from the Rams, and we have an obvious connection with him (he played for Gregg and played well). I expect us to go HARD after him. We might have to overpay, but who gives a crap. Make it happen and let's get this secondary back on track. Trumaine Johnson signed and then Minkah Fitzpatrick drafted at 4? Yes please. Maybe with those two on field we can put Jabril Peppers in a position to succeed, instead of playing a position he knows nothing about.  And Wilson the CB we drafted hoping for full recovery.

@tiamat63 said: Oh I've watched him in passing... didn't see Vick at all.  Reminds me of Vince in a way though. Just watched Lamar make some VERY questionable decisions the first half of his first start.   Including watching such a sidearm-assed throw it hit his LG in the helmet. Reminded me of this thread.    Hand to Christ, they could be clones with their throwing motion.     Great soundtrack though.  

@darren15 said: Our owner thinks its better to get new players through the draft and to steer clear of FA studs......he.thinks it's the better policy in obtaining his goal of 1-31 That -or-  FA studs that know we're 1-31 in our last 32 games and 4-49 in our last 53 games don't think their careers will be long enough to justify their decision to come here.  We have a new FO that shows me our owner may be willing to sever ties with stuff that wasn't working.  At least I hope it does....

@louisville-slugger said: Have you seen Lamar play? Yep, live at NC State in Raleigh. here’s the thing. We need a QB that takes a bunch of “Chicken Little’s” that can convince them the sky is not falling. Lamar is the QB in this draft that has done more with less team playing experience. Twice, as Heisman finalist. Jackson starts only 1senior at TE. 2 junior WR’s with a sophomore. OL, with 3 juniors,sophomore, 1 freshman. Reverse of a guy like Rudolph blessed with 2 senior WR’s with a freshman. Rudolph also brings 3 seniors to a OL at both Tackles & Center. Mayfield,Rosen,Darnold have Centers that are Senior driven while Allen starts a Senior LG. All 4 of these QB’s have junior or sophomore WR cores. Putting all this together, Lamar is a absolute freak athleticism creature as a 2 time Heisman finalist.. 

@cdl15 said: Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU  Height: 6-4. Weight: 216.  This kid should be a priority for the browns. He will be the best Playmaker in this draft. Bank on it   Courtland Sutton is awesome - and is the perfect player on the field and off it. The only reason I have Ridley ahead of him,is because Sutton is said to not have elite speed, and doesn't have the burst to get separation in the pros. Which, given that Jerry Rice was probably said to be the same.... and had an outstanding character and work ethic like Sutton does...what does that really mean? Means confusion, I suppose. Despite the fact that I consider  Jeremiah a meathead (yes, he was a bullfrog), different execs have different opinions. Kirk could be this draft's Antonio Bryant, Ridley is explosive, Sutton is Jerry Rice....etc Interesting article: (note: in the video at the top - note who picks the Browns to upset the Bears..third video.) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000881191/article/ask-5-which-college-football-wr-is-the-best-nfl-prospect

@louisville-slugger said: Yea he definitely needs to get with someone to work on his speech, but from everything I've heard is a legitmatly good person. He visited my little cousins school and her parents said he was very nice. Lamar has come along way as a passer. I didn'  think he was going to be an NFL QB coming into the season. He has had to deal with a poor offensive line weak running game and an awful defense until we got Alexander and Stacy Thomas back. The most infuriating thing about him is he throws a terrible flare route to running backs. I don't understand it but that seems fixable. His accuracy is actually pretty good most of the time, but every once in a while he will throw one way off the mark. Bottom line is if we bring him along like the Seahawks did Russell Wilson I think he can really develop. Only make him throw 15-20 times a game for the first season and once he gets comfortable give him more rope. Right now I have darnold as safer prospect for a traditional offense but Lamar could be a game changer By 'like the Seahawks did' you mean toss him out there full time as a rookie minus the stellar defense and HoF RB to take pressure off....? If so, then yeah....totally.  

@louisville-slugger said: Pryor had success under Hue and he should be cheap given that he hasn't done anything this year. Low risk high reward and if he can get back to form Gordon, Pryor, Njoku, and Duke could be really hard to stop. Agree.  Gordon Pryor on the outside Colman in the slot njoku in the seam.  Duke and crow would be able to do damage.  All depends on the line play and a new qb to make it all work. 

@hoorta said: Not happening for either.  Urban's $6.5 million salary @ Ohio State would make him the 5th highest paid coach in the NFL, and short of killing someone he has lifetime job security in Columbus. Gruden's $6.5 million is on the same level, but take it to the bank he wouldn't take the same salary in the NFL to work 18 hour days. He probably doesn't even put in 1\2 that many hours at ESPN.  Hey man, everybody murders people

@roycerolls said:  Using the first overall pick on a running back would not only never happen, but also be the kiss of death for this front office (assuming they survive this season). You don't think that 1-27 isn't already a kiss of death? The Texans keep losing and it appears their ceiling is 6 wins this season, more likely 5, hopefully 4.  If The Browns have a hard on for Barkley, they can draft him with their second first rounder.  This off season needs to be about finding the QB unless Kizer flips a switch in these last 4 games and plays the Browns out of the first pick by winning 3 games, but we all know that won’t happen. 

@ghoolie said: BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT.................... why is this a surprise? THe Ghoolster has been telling you this for years.  N 5 OL can block 8 Defensive players. WHen you have no weapons opposing defenses smother you at the line. No you haven't.  You haven't been saying shite for years.  I suggest that you are just being told what to say by someone else.  Probably Rich4Eagle.