@mjp28 said:

It's not only the draft picks which might be about right for a true franchise quarterback  IF  that is what Mr Watson turns out to be.   So far in just a few games after an about  700 days off  from any NFL tackle football he shows signs of his old quite good NFL form.

The other part of this deal was the  huge  amount of guaranteed money that the Cleveland Browns have promised to Mr Watson.   He better perform up to his old form or the BROWNS are in bad shape for MANY years to come.

This is an unprecedented deal in NFL history.   They better be concerned. 

Right...well have to see how they manage that.....this year it is unprecedented....next year?....the year after that?.....probably not.....theres always going to be a new highest paid QB right around the corner.....

@canton-dawg said:

Isn’t that more of an indictment of the person(s) making those picks?

Nice to see you back Mud.

Definitely....but there have been a LOT of people making those picks.....I honestly think its more just the average throughout the league....Ive already justified in my mind that we "might" have hit on one of the next 3....so, at least to me, its  picks well spent....

I keep seeing people complaining about us using 3 first rounds picks to get a franchise QB.....Dont know where youve been for the last 40 years, but I promise you they wont be missed that much.....(thats how long its been since we last drafted a decent QB, btw)......weve picked exactly 5 good players, in the first round, over the last 23 years...only 5....so, the history and numbers tell me we wouldnt get anything better(or even close) with those 3 picks......

Damn.....Tour was a special guy....gonna miss him.....

Id say he is a lot more attractive to other teams now, with that $7 mill contract...... I think he still gets traded, but now has the say in where he lands....(probably not Cleveland).....

@pat-mahomo said:

Wow....what a compelling argument.  you're right!  Furthermore...having a run stuffing end is just what the dr. ordered in a pass happy league.  

Remember that tomorrow, while Chubb and Hunt chew you up.....?

Tour....Sorry to hear this. Hits close to home, as I just returned today, from visiting my brother Bruce(ironic, eh?) who's a year into the good fight right now.....make the best of what you got and fight like hell(and dont waste too much time on here)....Would love to see you enjoy this season.....Lord knows you've earned it..

You will be in my thoughts.....dont let me down....Sunday #1 coming up!

Zombo said:

Lions already grabbed him.

Z

They grabbed Austin Seibert too....they must be into failed Browns kickers.....

Truly sad news.....rip Gipper!

I loved his trivia(and so did he)....I imagined how many hours he put into preparing & researching those threads....as well as his noted battles with everyone. Honestly figured he was too stubborn to do something like this...... the board will never be quite the same.......

Honestly, always thought those orange pants were terrible.....I swear everyone hated them when we wore them before, but now they all seem to love em .....

Right....I doubt there are anymore from the 60's or 70's. I agree that Thomas is the only ex Brown who looks likely, at this point.

or maybe instead,  I is for interior......and E is for end.....

@tour2ma said:

RG?

Damn... you've gotten even onrier during your absence.

Whoops......

It's a great 1st day....but there is a LOT of work to do and a draft that still needs to happen.....

Today we added depth to QB....upgraded one position we were"ok" at ......and filled one true hole at RG.....

But we have gaping holes at safety and LB.....So, I will reserve judgement until I see how he fills the most recent holes he created with cuts, as well as seeing how we do in the upcoming draft.......LOTS of picks and deals yet to be completed....

Im optimistic he will be aggressive(as he said he would).....So day 1 gets an A.....

@icecube said:

Not true

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It's true......no more suspensions

@lbc-mike said:

It's been a while mud.

Indeed it has.....?

Anyone is tradable, but.....If we were picking teams, these are the first 5 Browns Id pick for mine......in order...

Garrett - Chubb - Landry - Bito - Tretter......and I think Bito and Tretter are replaceable....Landry, Chubb & Garrett, not so much.

We have some under performing - premium talent too, but they have not lived up to the hype:

Ward has flashed over his 2 years(the talent is there), but his injuries and a lack of consistency have earned him a ticket to this group...

OBJ does amazing stuff here and there, but his overall contribution to his team always seems to equal less.....

Njoku has great physical talent, but simply isnt a football player.......

And.....Hunt is an amazing player, but.......

@flugel said:

  The part I hate about it most is this franchise developed him to the point he is playing his best football meeting/exceeding the expectation; and now another team will benefit from that while Cleveland is still in search of continuity in the LBer Corps (now in need of 3 new starters). Maybe we'll find a bargain FA like Tampa did last year when they signed OLB Shaq Barrett (previously a backup in Denver) only to get 19.5 sacks from the guy.  Sounds like the only thing wrong with the guy was Von Miller was the guy ahead of him on depth chart. We shall see...

Right....we talk about the need to find gems in the lower rounds and develop them into players.....yet, seem to dump them as soon as or before they reach that goal of being difference makers.....

Then you look at our depth at LB, right now, which is non existent.......and wonder where we land w/o Schob & Kirksey.

They can sign 2 FA backers and still end up with less depth than a year ago.

I know we cant pay too much to keep them, but feel more effort should have been made to retain these players that we drafted and then developed......

Schobert may not be a run stopping-hole plugging beast......but he is a solid tackler and great coverage guy......and it is a passing league....I look forward to us overpaying a pittbull to plug those holes, only to watch us get picked apart over the middle and in the short passing game......

multiple(quality?) sources?.......such as?

Baker came off like a jerk who cant handle the heat.....nuthin wrong with some bravado and confidence, but his armor is cracking and he is not showing leadership when he acts this way.....plain and simple.....

One of the things that really bugs me is his focus on people and things NOT related to playing good football....he is overly focused on Grossi or Ryan or some tweet or whatever.....needs to do a LOT of growing.......up