One shouldn't throw stones if they live in a glass house with the "Dan Snyder overspends" stuff...
Jeff Garcia, Andre Rison, Donte Stallworth, Jake Delhomme, Willie McGinest, trading a second and fourth round pick to Dallas to draft Brady Quinn, sending a second round pick to the Packers for Corey Williams and signing him to a 6-year, $38.6 million dollar deal, then trading him to Detroit after giving Detroit a fifth in addition to a 7th...
Zombo said:
I don't think you're confused in as much as you're stupid.
If Griffin turns out to be worth three first rounders and a second versus staying pat and grabbing Weeden with our second first rounder, that's one thing, but most feel Weeden can be very good and the age thing is just about immaterial. I guess we'll worry about his age when he's 37.
We threw in a couple garbage picks to secure Richardson, the best running back prospect in years, so, kudos to our front office on that one. Sitting at four while someone else traded ahead of us and took him would have sucked ass.
Schwartz was the highest rated pure right tackle in the draft, so we went out and got exactly what we wanted there.
Sorry we didn't have a fourth pick in the top 40 to get a WR too, but, guess what, we're not mortgaged next year when there is a boatload of talent at WR coming out ... who are you guys going grab next year? OH ... married to the over-rated retreads for awhile ... OK, good luck with all that.
Zombo
I think I've been pretty respectful around these parts. I don't like walking to other people's houses and shitting on the carpet, so I'll thank you not to call m stupid.
And the "overrated retreads" (I take it you mean Pierre Garcon and Josh Morgan) we signed were guys that your front office tried to obtain, in addition to trying to obtain Robert Griffin III.
So your team wanted to make...pretty much every move my team made. And yet every move my team made is stupid, and every move your team made is not. Interesting logic, sir.
ETA: And to make matters more confusing, the Browns thought RG3 was too small...yet they drafted Colt McCoy at 6'1" and 215 pounds in 2010? Again. Interesting logic.
If the Browns thought RG3 was too small...why even make the offer in the first place?
Other than the fact that the notion is bull, it seems to me that's the kind of thing that would be a red flag before you start negotiating to trade up to number two to draft him, and we know that the Browns were negotiating for the second overall pick. Holmgren said as much in that conference call he had with season ticket holders, that they tried "everything possible" to try to draft RG3, and he implied heavily that the reason the deal didn't get done was because of prior relationships within the Redskins and Rams front offices. Which may have held some water, if it hadn't come out that the Browns low-balled the St. Louis Rams with their offer, and then tried to match the Redskins offer after the deadline the Rams said.
So he was too small, but they were still willing to give up the same number of draft picks the Redskins did to get him?
And then, the Browns moved up one spot to draft Richardson. There's no problem with drafting Richardson, despite what Jim Brown says I think he'll be a very good player in the NFL. They likely did so because they felt someone else would jump up and draft him. So they gave up three draft picks---draft picks you needed---to move up one spot...only to find out that they weren't in any danger of losing Richardson.
So they give up a fourth, fifth and seventh round pick to move up one spot to get a guy that they could've drafted if they'd just stayed at four, because they panicked because they didn't want to get leapfrogged by Tampa Bay, I'm guessing. Even though Tampa didn't have the kind of ammo to move up.
This is turn leaves the Browns with no ammo to move up and get Kendall Wright, who got drafted by the Titans before the Browns could get him, which lead to the Browns panicking a second time, which lead to them drafting Weeden in the first round. And again; no problem with Weeden. I thought he was a way better prospect coming out than Tannehill. But they got no value for that pick.
And just to add a little more "whhaaaaat?" to the mix, they drafted Mitchell Scwartz in the second round. And yeah, Scwartz looks like he could be an okay right tackle...but they had the opportunity to help out their receiving core (Holmgren also said they tried everything possible to get someone like Pierre Garcon or Josh Morgan to no avail) by taking Rueben Randall or Stephen Hill, and THEN they moved down in the third round, which made this miss on receivers like T.J Graham, DeVier Posey and T.Y Hilton, all of whom were better all around better prospects than Travis Benjamin, who is fast, but can't get get off press coverage.
So they spent three draft picks on a guy they could've spent one on, drafted a 28-year-old quarterback in the first round, addressed right tackle but only drafted one receiver, a receiver who struggles getting off press and getting separation. On top of that, they spent a lot of picks on defense, but no one they drafted is going to help them with their pass rush and to get more sacks.
...You can see how we're a bit confused on how you're not a little more miffed...
For every two passing attempts he has one rushing attempt. Anybody would label that a running QB. Watch his tape, first reads covered, he's running. I don't make this stuff up.
For every two passing attempts he has a rushing attempt. Okay, fine; how many of those are called runs? When I watched RG3, I didn't see a guy who ran after his first read wasn't there at all. I saw him consistently hang in the pocket, try to make a throw, often to the point of him getting crushed behind a pathetic offensive line. I've watched pretty much every bit of tape out there on RG3, and I've never understood people's insistence that he's one read and run---a criticism that was often lobbed at Cam Newton, which also turned out to be bull.
No offense, college or otherwise, can properly function as a "one read and run" offense, much less the Air Raid attack that Baylor employs.
I mean I don't want it to seem like the Redskins fans are ganging up on the Browns fans, but we're kind of genuinely curious about how you feel about your football team. I liked Weeden and I liked Richardson, I think they'll be solid players, but I think me, Kerrigan and Sinister find it odd that the narrative is now shifting, especially given how Holmgren basically said that they gave the Rams their best offer but they didn't have a shot because...basically, Mike Shanahan and Jeff Fisher have a prior relationship.
