@the-gipper said:

Two years, if this coach is what we think he is (by we...I exclude Goolie). And if we get a QB.

last all pro qb was Derek Anderson.

yeah

oh joy a loser parade. Each click makes one more depressed and/or whatever that german word is for being happy to see people fail.

By the way, IF Brady quinn is not in that list he should be.

EDIOT: IF Brady quinn was ever considered a top 50 anything i will be ashamed at the world.

@texasag1969 said:

Boulware was reading all his ques as if he had written Bama's playbook. That is one smart guy who arrives quickly and with intensity. I would like him to be a Brown. He can fire up a team!!

And Foster just moved up to the point he may be out of our reach @ #12 now. Trade up dammit.

Edit: Clemson DT Watkins is a keeper. I'd take him early 3rd if he is still there. But then there are a couple safeties we need there too so, hard choices.

but need to make sure he has no Brian Bosworth in his background.

i think last night just answered the question of whether a college team can beat a pro team.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

What are the similarities?

exactly.

RGIV never sniffed any kind of a championship.

Watson got his ass kicked in that first half against a defense stocked with NFL talent. He could have just packed it in. But he stayed calm, took what they gave him and when Billybama started getting tired he started taking advantage.

sure i was being sarcastic. No qb can save the browns. BUT THIS IS THE GUY!

this guy will be the messaiah for C-town!

@gips said:

I dunno what people expect out of rookie QBs when they are thrown in with 3rd unit offensive linemen and WRs that cant block or catch to save their lives...mccoy is still trying to adjust to the speed and complication of the pro game and isnt getting the time to make the reads he has learned or even breathe as far as that goes..

The same could be said for ratliff as well but he isnt a rookie and he supposedly fully understands mangini's system..i believe a choice for mangini between ratty and colty is a simple one...ratty just sucks and the rookie hasnt yet been properly phased in or evaluated..

We have our 2 aging veteran QBs for now and if the regime determines colt isnt the guy then they should trade him now to give him a chance to play somewhere else ratty needs to be let go period...he will most likely not be picked up by anyone so his career in the nfl will be effectively and rightfully over..

If the unthinkable happened and we had to bring in the 3rd QB, I would rather see a rookie making mistakes and finding out if he has what it takes as opposed to watching a guy like rattlif whom we know doesnt have what it takes stinking up the field with worse than DA type inconsistent play..

Still ripping on DA Gips? Whats your effing problem.

It doesnt matter if that 3rd rookie QB is colt mccoy or sam bradford or jimmy clausen as far as im concerned thats just how it should be...

Ola! season is almost upon us and i thought would share a few plays I thought up during the offseason that can help the Browns (or any team) if they are smart enough to read this fantastic site.

So here goes:

Play 1: The Fake Go For It on Extra Points

Team lines up in the offensive formation with quarterback behind center but the center snaps it between the quarterback's legs to the running back who goes into the holder position and places the ball for the man in motion to kick the extra point.

This is for that situation where our team is up by a point (or down by a point for that matter!) and there is extra pressure to make the extra point with little time on the clock. This play GUARANTEES to keep em guessing. And guessers cant block extra points! Or not very easily.

Play 2: The 9 man Wedge

instead of forming a pocket for pass protection the front seven retreat 15 yards to join forces with the wide outs in a v formation. If its not illegal they should lock arms and rush forward in an impenetrable wedge ballcarrier safely nested within, quarterback providing rear protection. I know it sound wacky but so did the forward pass!

Play 3: Kicker fake siezure. Pull this one out only when possession means a win and a win means Playoffs Baby! And dont forget to tell the Ref before the play that the kicker is an epileptic but has it under control and not to blow the whistle, its normal. The kicker drops to the ground right as he is going to kick the ball and fakes convulsions. The other team relaxes and thinks there cant be a kickoff because the kicker is spazzing out, on the ground foaming at the mouth and jerking his limbs But wait one of his legs accidentally kicked the ball! Did it go ten yards? why yes it did! Browns recover the ball!

Man i cant wait for this season.

@drunkandstoopid said:

It was a rather dumb and unprofessional thing to say, but frankly, to those who took offense to it, perhaps it hit close to home.

I was surprised that DA said that. He took heat from fans at OS too and never did much more than shrug. Sometimes a guy's personality comes out later in life in stressful situations. He should have kept his mouth shut. Its not the fans fault its the organization. In this case its an organization that is half baked, with no tradition (expansion teams rarely do have tradition) and that tries to fill seats with roster moves rather than winning. I think what DA was trying to say is its a situation that brings out the worst in individuals. But its still on the guy or the coach to do his job as a professional and not give in to a culture of give-up.

DA never reached his potential in CLE. He showed he could have lights out accuracy and make good decisions for one game at a time but not the next one. That shows he has talent but no consistency. He made find that at another site if he gets playing time and its a better situation where there is a system in place and not just a bunch of half-ass ideas. I think its weird that Browns have a winning streak going and DA had a part in it and he got cut. But its not surprising he got cut. Holmgren wants to cut out the taint so he started with the visible position.

Holmgren is no genius. He failed at being the GM in seattle and sorta burned out at coaching. Its his ego that's bringing him back. Behind that stache is the cold blooded certainty of a man who thinks he knows more than you and gets off on trying to prove it. Like every other coach in the NFL. He gravitated to this, the most impossible situation in the league because it offers him control. He's going to need that egomania to survive, he will need every ounce of it. Going to be very interesting to watch.

One thing you all didnt know about Seneca Wallace, he was an Oregon State Beaver at one point in his career:-)

@lemosley01 said:

Can anyone explain to me how 'playing the guy who gives us the best chance to win' doesn't apply to every other position? Notably RB?

speaking of running backs Adrian Peterson was there for the taking but nooooooooooooooo...

peterson would be the franchise. He would have brought the browns back. I SAID TAKE HIM but no

it was clear that choosing an offensive tackle to be the franchise was the wise move.

Again:

Told you so.

But now im done with the told you so stuff.

Next Im going to name the one thing that could actually get this team a winning season THIS year: narrow the fooking SPLITS on the line. Ridiculously wide. splits that look nothing like any other offense in the league. The browns linemen spend their whole time trying to react to their gaps and lose leverage right away, never fire off the ball. NO WONDER THEY CANT RUN THE BALL.

@shepwrite said:

Wait... there's an I told you so in here? From whom? Someone who thinks DA is good?

He. Was. The. Lowest. Rated. Passer. In. The. NFL.

Then he had a 56 passer rating in the preseason. Then he had a 33 last Sunday. What's next, Jamarcus Russell territory?

The only "I told you so" would come from people who have said both of our QBs suck. That's it.

Brady. Sucks.

Told you so.

I came to laugh at the losers over here but now i feel kind of dirty. Its like the time i was walking through the portland zoo and saw the monkey playing with himself. This might be the most pathetic place on the interweb.

LUMBERGH! WHAT THE FRUCK ARE YOU STILL DOING HERE?!?

oh yeah I forgot. You stayed here just long enough to say TOLD YOU SO!

your work is done. you may leave here now. Instead of waiting to read your next post the 16 remaining members should be home taking the Brady posters off the walls of their mother's basements now.

@flugel said:

Let's just say I'll put my cake on Riff.

Normally, I'm for keeping people on the board (ie; Loverboy) BUT if our mods gotta work overtime while they're at work because some Tonya Harding/Derek Anderson cult fan is taking a cyber cro-bar to our forum - deep 6 the idiot from the board!

- Tom F. (What can I say? I grew up with role models like Eddie Haskell and Dennis the Menace)

Rifferx- you are right man. Cant fight a superhero moderator with a super powerful keyboard keeping the world free of posts that he doesn't have to like. But here's one post you probably wont want to delete, because you can use it against me should I ever return, its my resignation as a member of this board:

Cyber Cro Bar?

In fact what Front Desk Security Agent Rifferx deleted was a couple of LOLs and a flippant remark about a comment that a poster made regarding Lumbergh screwing them in the ass.

But whatever... Lumbergh has this elevator full of onanists completely handled now and my presence is not needed any more.

Its too bad because this used to be a hilarious and madcap and no holds barred collection of would be bad-asses but also knowledgeable fans some of whom just happened to be long time Browns fans. I first wandered in there over a couple of years ago and politely introducted myself as a fan of the third string quarterback who had only played a couple of snaps and got cussed out and mocked to pieces. I loved it! Finally a message board without a bunch namby pamby sissy censoring hypocrites on it. And oh yeah even then Derek Anderson was as popular as the last piece of cake at a leprosy victims support meeting.

But that was back a couple of address changes. Atenears did his best to warn about the change but it still seemed like a lot of the best posters (posts) stayed at the old site somehow. That and the second move seemed like somebody had just packed the moving van at midnite and carted off all the stuff under cover of darkness just as it was getting more familiar. Again, probably not Stan's fault, its his collection of people . And again he can decide what he wants that collection of posters to look like and make sure that some turkey deprived government worker isnt shotgunning posts justs because DA sucks, as fun as that sounds.

Anyway thanks to Stan and thanks to some of the posters who have made my day with the funny or provided some good insight into the subject at hand.

Special Ensign Lummy, I am handing the directorship of this colony off to you now, I know that you will treat the unwashed natives here with all the respect they deserve. God forbid them the day you leave, there would be quite nothing left.

Good day all. And go Browns!

@cmac12 said:

You think it would raise DAs value if you started Dorsey in front of him? Talk about being dillusional.

Dillusional- from the Latin: Dillweed Loser.

@pl4tinum said:

You produce nothing of any worth on a consistent basis. Perhaps an old man's dick might take that bitter taste out of your mouth?

ehh, make sense please.

If you are trying to insult please make sense so we can all enjoy the ribaldry.

you're just not very good. Or very timely either.

I can produce comedy on this website and have before. You tried and you have proven you cannot.

Sit down.

Excuse me for not living in greater NEO and not having season tickets but I can still comment on this team and make observations.

What I cant do is say that I invested money and time in season tickets and having a home presence at games. I am guessing that only a fraction of the posters on this board actually fall into that category.

So I am curious to hear what the actual freight payers have to say about this season..

Bitter beyond all hope? Still patient? Ready to cash em in? No way for next year?

@brownsfan17 said:

Hey Lumbergh. Brady has a fractured finger. What's DA's excuse?

his excuse is he plays for the cleveland browns?

@inspecta said:

MOre proof these DA homo's are more about their boy than the Browns winning and losing.

Actually i think that is true for everyone here.

And that is a byproduct of the horribly and predictably awful product that is Cleveland Browns footbal team.

Inspecta you are in every thread about said topic so that makes you ironic as hell.

I mean seriously Fat Albert.