Bottom line.. Colt looked much better his rookie year with Daboll than Shumur this year..oh wait this is Colt's rookie year..Confusing this Shumur logic

@clevelandfanforlife said: This is tragic. I live and grew up in the town next to Canal Culton and for the past year I saw "Pray for Ryan" signs everywhere I went and never knew what they meant. Know I do and it saddens me. Thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family. I was just down by Canal Fulton earlier today and saw those "Pray for Ryan" signs. I didn't know exactly what it was all about, but now I do. Thanks.

@browns149 said:That show takes place in LA. Why doesn't she do some undercover work on the beach? she's too busy ripping deiks(sp?) with her sarcasm and constant insults lol.

I happen to think Grossi is a Steelers fan. This isn't new....Bill Livingston ran Earnest Byner out of town after the '88 season. The PD sucks.

@miktoxic said: no. i thought you knew that we give new HC's two years now to prove themselves or they're out. And I'm for giving a coach 3 or 4 years myself and I didn't want Mangini fired, but he is and I'm not going to be spiteful towards the next coach because of it and I'm not stupid enough to believe that it's some sort of elaborate conspiracy either.

He kind of reminds me of bob sugar... "The key to this business is personal relationships" Dickie fox

@1-more-season said:Wow! Talk about looking back through rose colored glasses. Listen to you guys. 5-22 with the Browns and below .500 lifetime! Yes, I know talent wah wah wah. Returned the Browns to relevance. Really? That disaster on Sunday was the only national game the Browns had this year and after the halftime crew got done laughing at the team the network cut away to a more competitive game. 6 min. later!!!! Gotta be a record. That is what the rest of the country thinks of the Browns too a joke. Sure there were some improvements just like there were with Romeo or Butch or any coach but Mangini doesn't seem to have what it takes to be an HC. Now you'all turn your venom to Holgrem.... a successful HC? You hate Holgrem who's taken teams to SB's you hate Romeo who won more in 1 season then any Browns coach in the last 10 years but love a guy who brought 2 5-11 season's while the rest of the leagues down teams found a way to win with what they have because of some perceived "right direction". Mangini was another bad decision from the start. Holmgren will be the one to set this team in the right direction. I don't like a new coach every 2 years and I hope that when they have the right guy he stays for 20 years. first of all Mangini was 10-22 not 5-22 with the browns. both suck. the only pt. I will argue is that "the rest of the leagues down teams found a way to win with what they have." I assume you are talking about the rams, chiefs, and bucs. All three teams beat 1 team with a winning record. rams were 7-9 in the worst division in the league (and worst division I have ever seen). that is not better than 5-11 in the AFC North. the chiefs were 2-4 in their mediocre division and got 4 freebie wins from the NFC West (rams division). the bucs got 4 freebie wins from the AFC West too. the bucs also beat carolina twice, cincinnati, cleveland, and washington. hardly a tough schedule. the only impressive win on their schedule was their victory over the saints. but then again, we beat them too...

We should all exchange high fives if Schefter and Storm get fired. Hey Hannah, what exactly is that black scum between your teeth? Has anyone else noticed that? It looks like seaweed from sushi, but it is there every day.

Formerly Stone said:You're sick of Cleveland Browns football? You have two choices: 1. Take a page from the veteran Browns fans and get used to it! 2. Go to any one of the 31 other NFL teams. yeah or move to shittsburgh and marry your cousin (male or female, doesn't matter) and have the sea hag spit out some inbred mutts that the government (we the people) have to take care of cuz the job at quiff burger only pays minimum wage. dick.

@sj_browns said:i love when people indirectly admit i'm right by their response. every response i've recieved from someone like you never has a valid arguement against any of the things i've posted. just your blind love. good luck with that. You ignore every thing anybody brings up. Why should I waste my breath by repeating the things that you have ignored. You have a few arguments that are indeed valid but no coach is perfect. You fail to look at the big picture (brutal schedule, obvious improvement, disciplined team, etc.) and zero in on wins and losses as your main barometer of success. Eventually that will be a valid discussion but not in year 2 of a total rebuild. Honestly, you guys that are expecting a coach to be perfect are going to be sorely disappointed for a long long time. Simply put, we are never going to agree so why continue to argue? For future reference however, when talking about people using only homeristic emotion when speaking on the Mangini side of the argument, you may want to avoid showing so much homeristic emotion on the flip side. You come off as a giant hypocrite. Holmgren's heroes? I feel embarrassed for you every time I read that.

I think that mangini was severely stressed out acting as coach and GM. Now that he has a controllable workload and great people around him life is much easier.

@lambdo said:umm why waste Ate's time with something so trivial? He should be on a pre-binge for this huge victory over the falcons rather then photoshopping Mangenius cause he lost 20. Who was asking you smart mouth..just made an observation..If you don't have anything good to say ,don't say anything..old school, ya dig

@peterbell said:You think Joe gets more playing time if he talks nice about Mangini..please Its what he said thats important. Did I say that? I just said he's not going to say otherwise.

@7moses7 said:Geathers is in Miami I just saw..Man.. he is still very raw, Miami has to now put him on the active roster I believe for at least 4 weeks.. Browns most likely keep Ivey to replace Geathers on PS..or not

*facepalm* My bad Choco!

@peterbell said:I'm in the northeast so I've seen a lot of Jets games and in at least 3 games their pass defense was brutal in the last 2 minutes..It might have been a function of bad scheming and to much blitzing but those 3 losses were caused by the secondary.Lito Sheppard sucks I think you're right. Revis is the best and they pressure with the blitz because Revis allows that. I think that Lowery is pretty good. Kerry Rhodes and Lito Sheppard are relative liabilities in coverage. It's basically Rex Ryan blitzing the hell out of your QB and daring you to pick on whoever isn't covered by Revis. If Peyton Manning can't beat that then I doubt anyone can.

@flugel said:Very true! But think about how many of those people gave Orton the respect of an NFL starter that's 21-12? Chicago gave up 2 first round draft picks for Cutler and he's costing them alot more cake than Orton costed either franchise. That being the case, Chicago shouldn't be the team losing 2 more games than the previous year while Denver stayed the same. Too many people prematurely concluded Chicago was the big winner in that one. Earl, I wasn't even thinking about this in our conversation but BB brought Vinny Testaverde here to be HIS hand-picked QB. Kosar didn't like it and was waived while Vinny got hurt and we spent the year wtaching Todd Philcox football follies. BB didn't handle that one nearly as well as he handled the Brady over Bledsoe move in his next Head Coaching gig. Injury helped that one but the pr side of it all was much improved from the learnign experience in Cleveland. Back to why Josh McDaniels even entered this conversation in the first place - he shares that BB coaching tree with Mangini which makes him just as unfavorable with the media as BB and Mangini. Let's face it, the media WANTS these guys to fail while they just want to hug Rex Ryan. - Tom F. I think that the media learned their lesson with BB. They don't like his personality so they want to trash his students BEFORE they are winners so that they don't entrench themselves as he did. Trust me when I say that Bill Belichick's popularity in Boston is ONLY tied to his winning percentage.

@chip-banks said:It was a $10,000 bottle of champagne that he sent to Rhianna just for the chance to meet her. The 18% gratuity on it would have been more than Mangini's fine. That's a great point of perspective. As the Board's resident wino- let me put this in perspective how dumb that was. The most expensive champagne that can be bought at retail (if you can find any- total US allocation 20 cases) is Bollinger Vielles Vignes Francais. $800. It's possible (though unlikely) that club had a couple of bottles of vintage 1950s or other champagnes- and those would still set you back less than a grand or two at auction. And champagne doesn't age particularly well.

Most of the people in the national media (and probably alot of the local media especially here in Columbus) don't actually watch the Browns games, so all you hear is the negatives. I've actually heard local Columbus schleps say that the Browns winning out in December is totally pointless and means nothign to their future (hello? you play to win the game.) It's especially bad when a marble mouth like Chris Spielman rags all over the Browns and Mangini when he has a prominant local celebrity opinion that thousands of braindea buckeye fans glom onto, which makes the anti-Mangini fervor kick it up to another new high week in and week out. Seriously, these guys trash the Browns HARDER when we win (who cares if we set franchise records in rushing and win 4 straight, we cant pass the ball so we must be an awful team).

@jantz2086 said: Exactly. ESPN has killed Mangini's reputation with the world. If you knew how professional sports were ran, and how a football dynasty should be built - you'd agree with EVERY decision Mangini has made. And I have. EXCEPT for sticking with jamal lewis for so long (as opposed to james davis, harrison, even jennings...) but even some of that was a smart move politically. but you guys are right. i'm really not concerned that Holmgren will dump mangini. am I the only one that's confident?