Yes they do.They need so much in fact, that its going to take alot of drafts.Its sad really how bad the team has been run over the last few years

To be fair, we give Quinn credit that his problems are fixable, that his mechanics can be coached up. Yes with the right minds in charge, sure. And the same could be said about Derek. Both of these guys are under new management. That is NOT healthy at all. Jon Gruden just said on Sirius ( when asked to comment on the problems of JaMarcus and Brady ) that he wishes he had the keys to Quinn for 1 season because he has the desire, brains, build and arm to succeed in this game. Hey Jon, you're more than welcome to come here and see for yourself. I love to have him as head coach.

I hope you guys understand, it's not about your quarterbacks. Derek Anderson has been an affective QB in this league and Brady Quinn was a successful college QB with great upside. This is about the offense Mangini wants. Conservative plays that relies mostly on a short passing game that will limit mistakes. The only problem is you have to have a dominant running game, which the Browns do not have. Brett Ratliff will me a nice backup one day, but he shouldn't be leading your rebuilding project.

@planet-0range said:I hope someone else was just watching football night in America. They showed P. Manning warming up for his game tonight and right before they went to commercial you can read his lips saying "The Bengals won?....WOW!!!" LOL I WATCHED the game and had the SAME DAmn reaction !!! LOL.... Grrrrrrrrr......

@adz1987 said:At least we did good this time around. "This time around" was putting the finishing touches on a rebuilding plan. The 2007 was going to make or break the Browns, it is breaking them.

@kosar_for_president said:Cowher? If Cowher was smart he would touch this team with a ten and 1/2 ft pole. Cowher will come back for a team that has potential not to rebuild from the ground up.... but i do like your thinking

What about CRIBBS???????????????

@oconrecon said:Quinn just hit Edwards for a TD which may have just sealed the deal. What say you? Nice chest bump also from two guys who don't like each other. Nice to see them talking to each other on the sidelines going over the playbook. Both QBs have been ultimate team guys threw this whole competiton and I think their teammates appreciate that. I don't see anybody dissing either of them.

Its all out of the system now it left with RAC/savage and the rest of that sorry staff the only thing left lingering in my mind is numerous back to back anderceptions and horrific coordinating and more tunnelvision anderceptions...hehehehehe