@stillmotion said:

He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.

Draft Peppers, a guy with no position, another terrible mistake by the Harvard genius.  The one consistency with Browns GMs is they are always think they know more than the other guy and are one step ahead.  In the end, they are left holding something in their hand and it';s not a golden draft pick who succeeds..  

@clevfan4life said:

U mean the microfracture clowney had and is now an elite DE/olb'er? So because starboy winslow ruined his sht on a bike that was supposed tomtranslate directly to clowneys chances of recovery? Which it obviously didnt right? 

And garretts issue is ankle, not knee. Stop talking about issues u know little to norhing about. You're not an ortho surgeon. It took clowney 3 years tomcome back fully so how are we not giving garrett one measly fukking offseason even? 

Yeah, Garrett's injury not too serious but the concern is he gets injured a lot.   Is it me or do Browns draft picks always seem to be hurt so much.  Even Shelton misses most games.  Browns just can't seem to evaluate talent re durability and talent.  It's incredible. 

@topdawg31 said:

Garrett sucks, what an underachieving piece of s h I t. Hasn't dominated one series let alone a game like a #1 overall pick should. F u c k I n g TJ Watts going to be in the Pro bowl and he was taken almost in there 2nd rd. Hell if we would have taken him 1 overall we might actually have a win or 2.

I don't agree he sucks.  I think he'll get better.  Browns needs better defensive personnel around him! 

@the-gipper said:

No worse.  It ain't like you got the second coming of Walter Payton or Gale Sayers playing there.

Wow.  Howard much better than Crowell.  Would love to see a poll taken of NFL GMs and sportswriters on that.  

@mark-o said:

Mayock is pretty damn good at his analysis as a draft guy as well.   But that is also something that can be learned I would think.   He should never have been starting this year but he's the best of the guys we have and besides that, he has, by far, the highest ceiling of the 3 we have.  So he got thrust into a shitty situation and he's worked hard and gotten better.  

What's disturbing you see the same characteristics about Kizer in the pros as at Notre Dame.    No feel for the game at all.  He'll never have touch on the ball for any kind of passes.

@topdawg31 said:

Kizer can not play under duress , Mike Mayock said this very thing after he was drafted and Kizer is proving him to be 100% spot on.

BINGO!  Kizer is an African-American Brandon Weeden with more foot speed. 

@the-gipper said:

So....whomever decided to give you your avatar sent in in response to it?

The OL is the furthest thing from the major issue on this team.

You sound like S. Brown.  But not like Dorsey.  You watch .. 

@the-gipper said:

No worse.  It ain't like you got the second coming of Walter Payton or Gale Sayers playing there.

No offense, but Howard is one of the best 5 RBs in the NL.  Crowell closer to the middle, maybe around 10-11th best plus he has an attitude problem in my book .   I think most experts would agree. 

@the-gipper said:

So....whomever decided to give you your avatar sent in in response to it?

The OL is the furthest thing from the major issue on this team.

Disagree,  Browns have a lot of work to do on the OL.   RT is a joke, LG has regressed.  And Thomas is old and now showing he can be injured and on IR.  Draft OL in rounds 1 or 2 and another another in FA. 

@the-gipper said:

I think the Browns do have a much better OL than the Bears...that is part of it.

And just how is Kizer asked to carry a bigger load?   Browns RBs are better than Bears, their receivers are no better...at all.   And like I said...the Browns have a better OL. 

So...just how is Kizer asked to do more....(other than the fact that he plays for Hue....who constantly puts him a bad position due to his play calling)?

Say what????!!! Browns Crowell a better RB than Howard of the Bears?  No, no, no!!!!

@the-gipper said:

Ah...yes, BR did start his first year.   He went 13-0 as a starter.

Kizer, ergo, apparently going to be the anti-Roethlisberger.  He will go 0 and whatever by the time the season is done.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm

Kizer is a loser.  Yes, he is athletic, but has no feel at all for the game.  None.  No touch on the ball either.   Draft a real QB like Rosen or Darnold or grab one via trade or FA.  Horrible miss by the Browns not to get Garrapolo.  Just plain stupid. 

@the-gipper said:

To carry out an Alannis Morrisette tune:    Isn't it Ironic.....that  the QBs that so many were upset over the Browns passing on are now both on IR...and done for the season:

DeShaun Watson.....aufed.

Carson Wentz....aufed.  

Expectations that they will recover and be good?  Probably....unless Watson turns into RGIV and Wentz becomes a flash in the pan.  

Nevertheless....I still think this team would be ahead if they had followed my suggestion:   take Joey Bosa at #2 last year...and Trubisky this year.

Trubisky OK but no Wentz. Do u think if the Browns had drafted a QB he would have remained healthy?  LOL!  This is like the Tim Couch era but worse.   Dorsey needs to further solidify the OL this off season and draft an OL in the first two rounds  in 2018.  Need to make an attempt to protect the new QB, Rosen from UCLA.

@cdl15 said:

Heard a stat the other day. Bosa needs like 6 more sacks to become the all time sacks leader since 99 if he had been drafted by the browns.

Lots of great players coming out of OSU.   I've also been amazed over the years how the Browns miss on drafting some of the fine talent in the Mid American Conference -- Toledo, KSU, Western Michigan as examples.  Do they hire zombies for scouts???!!!

@mld-woody said:

Yeah, guy is great. It shows what having two very good DEs on the same line can do. We even saw flashes with Ogbah and Garrett

Yes, need a legit threat at the #2 DE.  But shouldn't a pass rush from the LBs be better even with Ogbah down?  Wonder if they might be motivated to take a pass rushing LB in round 2 of the draft.

@rich4eagle said:

I hope Dorsey or somebody understands there is a school in the middle of Ohio that turns out high draft picks every year many becoming All Pros. Why do none of these players ever get drafted by the Browns?  I hope that somehow someway they start understanding that players who touch the ball are the most important ingredient to winning especially the QB.  There are a lot of people on the scouting staff that ends up picking bums every year. I hope they understand that no matter how good oline guys play you lose if players who touch the ball don't make plays that make line play better. The easiest thing to fix on a football team is the offensive line. The one thing that is unfixable is a lousy QB and lousy RB's. An Adrian Peterson or Ezkiel Elliott is invaluable they passed on the both. They have passed 15-20 qbs many who are or will hofers. They passed on Michael Thomas to pick Coleman. If fact they passed on so many OSU players it makes the staff look like buffoons. I hope they understand that in the current era Offense wins championships.

In 1987 the worst thing  happened to the Browns that led to 25 years of lousy teams. The Dawg Pound was created and focus went to defense and drafting oline guys. THE Cleveland Browns heritage is being an offensive juggernaut from 1946 to 1989. Then they threw the Brownie into lake Erie and quit drafting offensive studs and Ohio State players and been losing ever since.

The Dawg Pound should be replaced the Brownie should be brought back and Offense needs to be emphasized instead of an after thought. They need to transform the Dawg Pound into Touchdown Brownie!

If they keep doing the same as they have since Marty left they will get the same results. 

Why is it that guys like Rich4Eagle are relegated to writing posts on Browns chat boards instead of running things for the Browns?  Brilliant post! I do believe Dorsey is finally going to be the first GM in this long story of disaster to make a difference and move the team in the right direction.  Wholeheartedly agree we need to focus on a striking offense that takes pressure on the defense.  In the draft, yes, take a DB and maybe a safety, but focus on offense, including adding another WR and a RB to replace Crowell who will be leaving soon.   Dump Jackson.  Dorsey does deserve to pick the head coach and stupid of Haslam not to say so!

@ghoolie said:

I got blasted for calling Greg Williams a joke before he even coached a game for us. I predicted that his defense would be a blitz happy,  penalty prone bunch of undisciplined azz holes who woild get faked out.....tired out and manhandled.

Tom Flugel meanwhile kisses his nutsack and powders his taint. Flugel promised that this jackoff Williams would have the defense whipped onto shape.

I predicted Williams D would be worse than Hortons  and it is.

Williams Blows Donkey Caulks.

I was not a fan of Horton but this defense isn't so hot either.   Would love to have a quality secondary.  Opportunity to get a top DB or 2 in the draft. 

@roach said:

A team should not have to score more than 30 points to beat the Bengals.  

The defense has some major issues but until this team gets a winning offense the defense will continue to play disheartened and overworked.  

@flugel said:

It's not Ricardo - it's Rockhardo Hands-Louis

I watched Louis play all his games at Auburn and thought he was mediocre and was stunned when the Browns took him.

@clevfan4life said:

and we'll be right back here in a year, no change. I'm sorry but until browns fans realize this I'm afraid we're gonna be a 1 win team for a long time

I don't know.  I think you gotta keep trying, as head shaking as that is.    This current crowd is terrible at evaluating talent -- almost as bad as Farmer, the worst  GM of all time! And that's a fact!

@richiswhere said:

You really want this front office to go after another FA wide receiver?

Not this front office to go after a FA receiver!  The next one!!!! They need a quality experienced receiver who can reliably catch the ball!  Over pay!  These fans deserve something to cheer for.  Enoguh of the garbage!