@alo said:I doubt Okung will be available at #7. Everyone not named Todd McShay has him as the #1 OT in this year's class, and those guys usually go top 5. If Detroit doesn't take him, Kansas City will. In my opinion, none of the other OT's are worth a top ten pick, unless you desperately need a left tackle. We can get better value addressing another position. Probably so, this isn't a great year for stud linemen..and waiting until rounds 2-3 might be where we get the most bang for the buck.

good comparison. i love seeing usc qb's getting crapped on.

@lombardi4browns said:ROTFLMAO....................... OUR GAMEPLAN FOR THE FUTURE? Dude, are you a stand-up comic? WF plan would that be? To keep losing? Please, tell us about our gameplan for developing a running game? Show us the quotes where the Browns FO has shared a "gameplan" for our future running game. Well? Cancer? Yeah, what a cancer he was running the ball down our throats yesterday. Wow ! Everytime he knocked Browns players on their ass you could hear the Bengals saying out loud..... Look, another first down..... man he sucks, what a cancer. I wish we had NICE guys like Jamal and Harrison. Idiots said the same thing about Corey Dillon. B elichik certainly hasn't had a problem with the "cancerous WR" we brought in, has he? The fact of the matter is our players blow. PITTSBURGH can afford to say LJ doesn't fit their system, BUT THE BROWNS? Good God man, we have the worst running game in the NFL and You're worried about somebody's personality? Top FA don't want to play in Cleveland. They know about Lerner's manipulative style and total lack of understanding of football. The reason we weren't active on LJ is because WE ARE A LOSER ORGANIZATION. You would have to be an idiot to not notice our gameplan for the future. Obviously, Mangini wants to bring in guys who buy into his system. If he didn't care about how guys personalities were, he would have kept both Winslow and Braylon. Randy Moss was able to go to NE because they have a stable organization and head coach. And of course LJ looked good yesterday, he was running against OUR DEFENSE (ranked 32nd in the league). All 3 of our rbs probably look like AP if they got to run against our defense (which consequently, has lost 3 of its best run defenders for the season) I mean look how good LJ was with the chiefs... Oh wait, he sucked with them and that's why he got cut in the first place. And yes LJ wouldn't work into Mangini's system. If we did sign him, who's to say that he would carry the same success with us. Yes we know our organization is unstable and has a history of losing. But just blowing it all up and starting over again is not the way to fix things. I still think that Mangini does have the ability to do change that. He's starting from the ground up and thats why we look like complete shit right now. You can't expect an immediate fix with our organization. With the mess that it's been in over time, its gonna take a couple of seasons with a stable head coach to right this ship.

@drunkandstoopid said:"Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're right." ~Henry Ford I know a lot of you guys would prefer that DA and Mangini be "think you can't" kind of guys, but I for one am glad they're not. The fact that he did not treat it like a 7-3 game (his own words) tells me that DA "thought he can't". But, hey, at least he led us to a field goal...

Dont forget the QB sneak on 1st and 10.

I never stated the defense was good, if you have read some of my other posts in different threads I have stated we are better than last year.... holding minnesota and denver the same exact way in two back to back games and than the end of the third they explode shows TRENDS..... One trend is the offense does not sustain drives..... and the defense being on the field a TON.... That does have a cumulative affect..... this is the NFL after all...

@drunkandstoopid said:How much time has Anderson spent practicing with the ones the last 3-4 weeks? How much time has Anderson spent practicing with the ones (for that matter how much time has the team spent practicing) in 4 and 5 receiver sets? It was over the moment Anderson stepped in. The ints basically didn't matter. You put Quinn in the same situation, go to four and 5 receiver sets and tell 'em to make something happen, and you're very likely to have just as bad or worse results. IF they pull Quinn today and install Anderson as the starter, then you can bitch and moan about ints from here on if he has them in a real game management system in this offense. The coach's reaction to being down 20 at half was the problem this time around. I guess if you practice with the two's it's ok to throw into triple coverage? Stare down recievers?, and trip over your own clown feet? This was with the ravens not trying to put any pressure on him as the game was in hand. DA sucks, he made the same mistakes we all noted he made last year...

Come on man....it isn't the coaching...it's the crap ass qb play we get week after week.

@mopaji said:I don't wanna toot my own horn but, TOOT TOOT! I've been anti-Quinn guy since draft day. Frankly, he has NEVER shown anything that suggests he can play at this level. He's always looked like Charlie Frye to me but with much better biceps. Even at training camp this year we were saying that he looks uncomfortable and he throws behind, low, and high unless his target is sitting still. I really didn't see how he could be the starter. The media worded it as "Quinn is up and down and DA hasn't done anything special to win the job". The rest of us, who were there, saw Quinn struggling. I was also saying all through preseason that Quinn is getting away with some throws that he won't get away with in the regular season. And now, here we are. That is why I am convinced he will never get better. I have never hid from Quinn backers, in fact, I've taken a lot of heat. There are some people at work that won't even talk to me anymore because of it. Kind of sad really. But the point is, I've never hidden. At the same time, if he improves I will gladly eat a big fat slice of humble pie and back him 100%. Not sure what you're tooting about there. Perhaps in your elation over doing such a good job of patting yourself on the back you overlooked the fact that nobody on this board has heard/read anything from you until this past week. This one time, at Band Camp, I had an idea for this thing called the interwebs...but everyone laughed at me when I talked about it....HA!!!...who's laughing now? They kept saying how it wasn't possible, but I kept telling them that with a little more technological advancement it would not only be possible, but inevitable. I had it right all along. No...seriously...I really did.

@kbndawg said:IF Anderson was 0-2 this year you would be going nuts.............but it's Quinn and he gets a pass. Fact is.......Quinn looks no better then Anderson. Actually, he is better. Quinn so far: 66.9 DA for ALL of 2008: 66.5 And you think Quinn is bad? DA was worse! no thanks... that ship has sailed. It's neither guy really. The OC's they've had are just horrid at play calling. Hmmm, what do ya know....each OC was in their first year EVER of being an OC. The play calling is putrid. Quinn has mobility. Did you see any rollouts? Nope. Quinn excelled at ND running screens. Did you see any of that? Nope. Daboll is over his head as an OC. We are currently "witnesses" to it all.

if I were a rams fan I'd look at the 1999 NFL season, and Super Bowl XXXIV. but yeah you're right.

@lumbergh said:Actually Mangini said he was going to tell the QBs in "the near future" And NFL.com reported there wasn't anything in the first 30 mins of practice to indicate who was working with 1s. but thanks for providing your usual Quinn slant. Incorrect. Quinn has been working with the starting units the most. It is what it is Lum. Your a failure.

@atenears said:I never even clicked on the link, but I'm in favor of cutting Brady Queen. The word "Brady" is from ancient egyptian, meaning "Dream." The word "Quinn" is Gaelic (not gay-lick Stan, Gaelic) for "Boat." Hence....Brady Quinn = Dream Boat.

Zombo said: Congratulations, SoCal, you are the new face of Quinn Fagdom. Let me fill you in on a few things: 1. Derek Anderson is a Cleveland Brown. 2. Rooting for a player over a team ... gay. 3. Muscle and fitness magazine ... really, really gay. Ultimate Test: We won a football game tonight. If you are acting all faggy about it ... you're a Quinn Fag. Zombo LMAO!! Well, HELLO Lumnutz Sr. What? Did I give the wrong link to DA's one good drive vs the Lions tonight? I could swear I gave the right link. Hmmm... I thought Lum would enjoy the joke, but I guess you did, too. I'm glad we won too. We'd ALL be REALLY pissed if we had lost to DETROILET!!! Oh, I am a Browns fan. And I want what is best for this franchise. It just happens to be Quinn (IMO). I'm tired of seeing DA do well (like he did in the first Qrtr.) then implode and do something stupid. We need to take the first step in the new direction forward for our franchise and I believe Quinn is the right QB to do that. DA has shown OVER and OVER what he is. In college, and as a pro...the stats/facts don't lie and the wins and losses of last year don't lie. I'm sorry the truth hurts. But, for us to be CONSISTENT and IMPROVE as a team, Quinn is one smal change I think should be made. There is PLENTY of changes that needed to be made from last year. QB is just one of them.

@shepwrite said:BTW, Quinn's TD pass to Braylon was 65 yards. OBR called it the play of the day. Jeez, what a bunch of "Quinn-fags".....

@legacy-fan said:Barry @ OBR just tweeted that both QB's just got picked: Quinn by Elam on a seam route to Walker. DA by a helluva play from DQJ (tip and dove for the snag)m They were practicing 3rd and 4th down plays and the defense was sitting on some of the calls. Harison had a good day taking some screens and swing passes out of the backfield. Quinn hit Robo with a beautiful slant right over Jackson's shoulder. Robo also dropped a few. Masso had a real nice day. Elam has been playing like a monster, in the box and in coverage as a FS.