@rich4eagle said:

If things progress as they have............three players have been dominant of defense......in my order

Troy Polamalu.............GAME CHANGER......master impact player supreme

James Harrison...........Game CHANGER.........and targeted and screwed and that is patently obvious

Clay Matthews............Outstanding

So if the next three weeks do not bring a change those are the three who deserve real consideration

Since DeAngelo Hall is eliminated simply based on the fact he plays for the worst defense in the league, I agree the 3 plays you named are deserving, in that order, of DPOY. Is it possible for two players to tie for first place and both win the award? It would be awesome to see both Harrison and Troy bring home the award as co-winners. Being that those two were probably two of the most outspoken against Goodell this season, Goodell would certianly soil himself if they both won or even if the came in #1 and #2 in voting.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Thank you for proving me wrong and naming some other players who aren't steelers.

I didn't come here to be a homer about this. I'm trying to give my honest opinion. But the past few days after looking through stats and such I came to the conclusion Polamalu is the leader in the DPOY race and Harrison seems to be a close 2nd. That was the honest conclusion I came to, but that seemed way to homerish for me to beleive it. That's why I came here to seek opinions of others. Wake has no chance at winning and even Matthews is starting to seem like a long shot. Hall, statistically speaking, deserves strong contention for DPOY, but no corner coming from the 29th pass defense and worst overall defense will ever win the award. I just don't see any players other than Harrison, Troy and Hall that are deserving at this point. Matthews could bring himself back into the equation with a 3 huge games to finish the season, but I don't think anyone else is close enough to cacth up at this point.

I'm not trying to argue that only Steelers should be getting consideration, if there are any defenders who should be getting DPOY consideration that haven't been mentioned yet just mention them. If I disagree I will say why, but I'm not just trying to start useless arguements.

@pizzadeliveryguy said:

That and the use of the word "hella" puts you pretty high on the douchebag of the year list.

You gotta think that award goes to good ole Sal this year.

@theclevelandsound said:

Stats aren't everything. You know nothing. I'm done with this. Pray I don't see you in real life. Have a good one.

I know stats aren't everything. That's why I'm predicting Troy brings home the award.

@theclevelandsound said:

Matthews will win. And if he does, dont come crawling back here. Please.

It's wishful thinking to say players with considerably better stats won't win it just because they play for a rival team.

@theclevelandsound said:

Get it through your little pee brain. Harrison will not win any award this year with the light that has been shown upon him for illegal hits. Do you know how bad the NFL would look if they award someone who broke all the rules? You are an idiot. Its not happening this year. Ill put my house on it.

The AP gives out the award. Not Goodell.

Matthews had a sack this past week vs Detriot where he lead with his helmet. The sack counted and he was not flagged. Players such as Chad Ochocinco, Brian Urlacher and Terrell Suggs have all defended Harrison's hits and Suggs even said it's obvious that Harrison has been "red flagged" by the league and the refs. I think the voters recognize Goodell's inconsistancies and not keep Harrison from winning it if they feel he is the best defensive player this year. But if you read the first post you would know a think Polamalu will win it. I was just saying Matthews doesn't really have a chance because even Harrison has considerably better all-around stats.

@wrrebel said:

I would go clay matthews

Sleeper- eric wright

Eric Wright? I'm hoping that's sarcasm.

Matthews got a lot of DPOY talk early in the season, but now I would even put Harrison ahead of him.

Matthews :

Combines Tackles: 51

Sacks: 12.5

Passes Defended: 5

INTs: 1

Forced Fumbles: 1

Recoveries: 0

Harrison:

Combined Tackles: 79

Sacks: 10

Passes Defended: 6

INTs: 2

Forced Fumbles: 6

Recoveries: 1

@shepwrite said:

Who's the offensive MVP that's so obvious? Brady or Rivers? Three weeks ago they were giving it to Rivers, now Brady.

Brady for league MVP. Vick or Rivers for offensive MVP.

Vick loses votes for not starting all season, Rivers loses votes because the Chargers will probably miss the playoffs.

@theclevelandsound said:

I think Spunkonmyback DPOY is the defensive player of the year because he will tell me he is if I don't say it.

Who do you think should be the runner-up defensive player of the year then?

@pizzadeliveryguy said:

Wake, Matthews, Harrison, Polamalu are the top 4 IMO. I would give the nod to Polamalu right noe.

Sleeper pick = Terrell Thomas

I'm not trying to sound homerish, but I don't think Matthews gets it unless he has a huge next 3 games. Wake is one dimensional, I don't think he has a chance.

My sleeper pick would be DeAngelo Hall. But rarely do players from non-playoff teams and horrible defenses win the award unless he is undisputably the best defender. 29th pass defense, 32nd overall on defense for the Redskins; Hall won't even get considered. If the Redskins had a top-10 defense he would be the DPOY favorite right now.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

I'll save you guys the time responding to this thread.

Who ever: I pick so and so.

Spunk: So and so isn't doing so bad, but he doesn't have DPOY numbers. (insert Steelers player here) is doing great and is in consideration.

Well, as long as the player named doesn't have anywhere near DPOY numbers (like Matthews) there's nothing wrong with me saying that.

@cantonlegend said:

troy? lmao

clay matthews

His play has really fell off the past few weeks. If you look at his stats he doesn't have the DPOY type numbers in any category except sacks. He is still in contention, but even Harrison has clearly better overall stats than Matthews.

There's not much debate with who will probably win NFL MVP and Offensive Player of the Year.

The same can't be said for Defensive Player of the Year. No one player is having that big of a standout year over another on defense. I'm just trying to get a few different opinions on who you believe will win it this year.

Right now I say Polamalu has to be the leading canidate. What do you guys think?

@brownsbacker said:

Last time I checked, Jameel McClain was a Raven.

1. Go back to school and learn to read.

2. Reread the first sentence of the first post on this thread.

3. Take down the attempted smart ass comment you tried to make.

The same Browns fans that whine about Steeler fans being on this board are the same people who post on every thread about the Steelers....Just saying.

The conserversy stemming from the Sunday night game has a lot to do with the league wide cries that Goodell and the refs target Harrison/the Steelers. It's one thing for Harrison, Ward, Troy and so on to make the claim. They have been saying it all year, but it never got all that much attention because it was Steelers defending Steelers at that point...In the week leading to this past game Brain Urlacher, Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Suggs all defended Harrison hit from the previous week that got him flagged and fined. Suggs went as far as to say Harrison is "red flagged" by the refs and the league. It was at that point the claim Harrison has been unfairly targeted took root and the NFL had to release a statement saying the claims from all these players is false. How often do professional sports leagues have to release statements saying they and the refs don't target a certian player after cries from rival players insisting the league is unfair to the rival player? I've never seen anything similiar to that happening in all my years of watching all kinds of sports.

During the game it was very evident the Ravens got away with 3 very obvious penalties involving hits and the qb. This coming 7 days after Harrison was flagged for a clean, textbook hit. All this happening on national TV for the world to see had the NFL scrambling to save face. The league called NBC and told the announcers the hit on Miller should have been flagged. Since when do current league employees contact tv networks during a game to admitt a ref's mistake? I've never seen anything similiar to that happening in all my years of watching all kinds of sports.

Ngata's hit on Ben certianly shoudl have been a flag. Goodelll has previously stated any contact to a qb's head is an automatic flag. Personally, it should NOT have drawn a fine. It was accidental. Although, Goodell has also previously stated the defenders are responsibile for avoiding helmet contact during hits and tackles. Goodell would defend his fine of Ngati under the premise Ngati should have been more careful and made certian his hand stayed away from Ben's head. Personally, that's BS because it is such a fast pace and physical game, but Goodell has fined others for the same reasoning so he has done it before.

McClain's hit on Miller should have resulted in both a flag and a fine. I'm okay with the amount being $40k. Earlier this season Goodell said he would suspend players for devastating helmet-to-helmet hits on defenseless recievers even if the hit was largely accidental and even if the tackler has no previous offenses. If Goodell was seroius about those threats the McClain hit would have resulted in a suspension. I'm glad McClain has not been suspended for his hit. I think hits should only draw suspensions if their was intent to injure. Goodell's threats of suspension proving to be nothing but empty words is good for the game of football.

Late in the 4th on the final drive Suggs pulled on Ben's helmet in an attempt to make a tackle. It's illegal to tackle players by the helmet (usaully it happens with the facemask) and has been for decades. With a recent surge to protect qbs there is no excuse for the refs to have missed this call either. Suggs shouldn't be fined for the infractions and he wasn't.

@clevelandfanforlife said:

Sorry, I didn't remember yours. You have always seemed like the non-troll type. I dig it.

No need to apologize.

For me to troll on a Browns message board is pointless. I just want to get different perspective on the Steelers and the NFL in general and occasionally give my perspective on how the Browns are doing. I think some of these guys just want to get some of their frustration out on an opposing fan instead of a tv that won't respond back. I can't blame them for being frustrated with their team, but sometimes they go overboard. A few good seasons for the Browns should fix that and there's a good chance that happens within the next few seasons.

@clevelandfanforlife said:

I understand. You've never trolled and were the only Steeler fan to my memory that congradulated us when we beat you last year. That's classy, and I appreciate it.

My cousins (who are from Pittsburgh) always say that I'm jealous of the Steeler and their history. Although I respect what the Rooneys have done with the Steelers, I am in no way jealous of anything they've accomplished. Would I like to have so superbowls? Obviously. But I am not jealous or envious in the least bit of anything the Steeler organization has. I like our history and our team. Any real fan would feel the same way.

Not to whine for your approval, but I gave congrats over the Browns won last year and lost an avatar bet that stayed up until after the draft. 🥷

I'm glad to see you can enjoy the Browns even when things are rough. McCoy is looking good so who knows what will happen next. MoMass has progressed nicely and looks to have some potential. Hillis is a beast. The O-line is underrated because of lack (or perceived lack) of offense. If the offense comes together the O-line with start getting alll the praise. TJ Ward is a great hard hitting player. I refuse to believe he is not only a rookie, but when he didn't get taken until the 2nd round....Here's to the Browns coming together in the next few years so we can see some great games that resemble tonight game!

@hoorta said:

Well, when your boy Harrison put the IDENTICAL hit on Massaquoi- no flag, well Karma's a bitch.

Nice win BTW.

Mass would have caught the catch if not for Harrison hitting him. The ball was no where near Miller's hand and he was falling the opposite direction. Miller's neck was snapped far back....It's one thing to think Harrison's hit should have been a flag/fine. Even I say it was bordline on if it should have been or not...But the one on Miller came out of no where and Miller's knees were on the ground with the ball no where close to being caught....Harrison's hit was helmet-to-helmet because he is only 5'11" and MoMass was standing upright. Miller was on his knees and falling and McClain aimed down to make the hit.

It was certianly a hell of a win for whoever pulled out the W. Luckly it was the steelers.

@miktoxic said:

man i thought the same thing. he did that hand motion above his mouth........man that was scary. now do you see the logic with the league coming down on hits it deems illegal. and to others who argue they are pussifying the league......uh did you watch tonite's game. pleeeez.

the player who hit miller WILL be fined. but the refs blew the no-call. they need to be fined, or given the option to throw a flag after reviewing the hit while the player is still on the ground.

Usually when a guy goes down like that their mouth is moving, fingers twitching and eyes blinking. His fingers went still, his mouth seemed like it was just hangin open and his eyelids twicted a couple of times, but they didn't blink. Very scary to see a player like that, I was very surprised and relieved when he went from complete motionless to standing. With all the precautions medics take I was surprised they let him stand up.

Seein such a hard hitting game was very refreshing. The only bad hit was the one on Miller. (well, the hit on Ben's nose should have been a penalty, but it was completely accidental and the injured nose was a freak injury)

The thing is the past 2 weeks Harrison got flagged for the exact hit on Flacco on the Raven's final drive. I'm glad to see the refs not pulling the flag out before the contact even happens. I think Goodell wanted the refs to call a lose game on national TV to help peel back all the claims of the league becoming flag football. Overall (besides the 2 injuries) the refs called a good game. That's always a good thing.

@clevelandfanforlife said:

It's just fruststrating that people focus on the steelers so much. You guys do realize that by continuing this thread that you are just confirming the claims that this board cares more abou steeler hating than you do browns cheering, right?

I can understand your frustation with this board. Out of respect for you and reasonable Brown loving fans like you I only post Steeler stuff on thread Browns fan start about the Steelers. That way if Browns fans don't want to be bothered with the Steelers they can just avoid the thread and be on their way.