@ibleedbrown said:Bring back Stockton. Don't we have enough I love Johnny threads?

@tml1138 said:I read and heard (before yesterday's game) that Hoyer was #1 at highest completion percentage for deep ball passes. (15+ yards) He certainly doesn't play dink and dunk that's for sure. Although he hasn't played very good lately, I think his deep ball accuracy is actually quite good - despite what people say about it. His biggest issues have been when he's on the move or off on his footwork from what I've seen. He's almost baffling at times, but hopefully he improves (he's shown what he can do). He can't get a pass over a defenders head that is only maybe 10-15YDs away while rolling out left (first INT). Then he sets and throws a laser to the end zone splitting defenders and threading the needle (Austin Drop). His last drive had a deep pass to Gordon and Barnidge that were both right on the money too.

@aggie-brown-fan said:I have nothing bad to say about Hoyer, but I just don't understand the Manziel bashing. Lots of people here act like they hope he fails, which is moronic for any Browns fan. To a Manziel supporter I can see how it seems like there is more bashing than I think there is. I can also allow for the possibility that there actually is more bashing than I think there is. anyway the way I see it... There are a few here who detest JM. But if he ever gets a chance, I doubt even they will root against him. There are also a few ardent Manziel supporters who want him to start yesterday. Most of these are lurking "Manzealots" (as we have dubbed them) who pop up with a word here and there mostly dissing Hoyer, but a couple are Browns fans first with a strong opinion that JM is "the one". I'm a Browns fan who did not want us to draft JM at #4... or #8... and thought we reached for him trading up to #22. I think he is still an immature college, RS Sophomore, but say "he's our immature RS Sophomore now". I will wish him all the success possible... once he earns his shot... which he has yet to do. I saw "something" in Hoyer last year. Saw glimpses in pre-season of the same early and a flood of it late, after he was named our starter. Then in the regular season I saw more than enough through five games to sustain through a couple very rough outings. @browntown said:I think Hoyer owes a lot of his success to Shanahan. Maybe... but he was undefeated last year under Turner...

Here's one key quote that shows that the author of Stocky's "good read" (translation, "I agree with the premise and conclusions") is not paying attention. "While standing behind the best offensive line in football, Hoyer was able to take a luxurious amount of time to allow receivers to get open, never once worrying about the pressure." Anyone who has watched Hoyer knows that his greatest quality is getting the ball out quickly and in time. It is what Shanny's offense demands and it is what Hoyer has delivered. And the guess the QB game was way too easy... obviously Hoyer's stats were going to be the worst...

@mudfly said:In the end.....I think Josh got what he deserves...that wont change and I think there is a LOT of Union - NFL politics here that no one really understands or is talking about.....the NFL just followed the guideline, as they do in every case....oh and I also get that every case is different and each is weighed within the rules, so Rice and Prater have zero relevance to me.... I cannot disagree with what you would do to Josh if he worked for you in the company you own. You do not however own the NFL or even a team in it. To say the Prater ruling has zero relevance is far below your obvious level of intelligence. IF Prater was in Stage 3 AND there was flexibility to reduce the one year suspension to 4 games then that same flexibility could have and should have been extended to Gordon. The legality of one substance vs the other is irrelevant as its not an issue of legality but rather of rules within the CBA. Some have stated the vast differences in penalty and delay are due to the fact Josh retained an attorney. That is simply not true considering Prater did the same. I am not saying Gordon doesn't have an issue, I am not saying he is not irresponsible and a dumb ass but I am saying the punishment needs to be levied equitably. I could be wrong but I predict this goes to court, delays the suspension and ultimately is reversed. By the time the next CBA is completed the pass fail levels for marijuana will be brought more into line with the "norm" which is far above the current NFL standard.

The Browns should sue the league for dragging this out so long. It is beyond ridiculous to put a team in this position. They have no idea what the receiver situation is and may not until the end of the preseason. There is no good reason for this to have not been settled months ago.

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