@tour2ma said:

You comment on the TOP imbalance as if JM had no role in that. Convert a 3rd down... make a play... and you get to keep the ball.

This was a far worse showing than even I, a Manziel skeptic, saw coming.

I could not imagine the gap between your lofty expectations and this pure shit showing... could not anyway until I saw what has come out of your now wide open rationalization spigot.

More still in the pipeline?

Absolutely he had a huge part in the offensive struggles. But a total of 18 pass attempts, half of which the defenders where all over him, isn't any thing to over analyze. He completed 10 by the way, so it's not like he was missing guys left and right. The two interceptions and a couple other throws were awful, but they were clearly bad decisions that I am sure Shanahan and Johnny will go over. Johnny probably doesn't force those throws if we are ahead or closer to the Bengals. If there were open guys and Johnny was missing them and got sacked that is one thing. But we don't know if guys were open or not. Maybe the coverage was really good. His 5 rush for 13 yards isn't the end of the world either. Like I said with Hoyer all year no matter the stats there is no excuse for not scoring touchdowns. I didn't expect Johnny to come in a win the game by himself. I expected 2+ turnovers but clearly I didn't expect the 0 points.

Johnny may well be a bust and this game could be a sign of things to come but none of us knows that yet. Are you really considering drafting a QB based on 23 plays?

One thing to consider is he didn't get many chances to do anything because Cincy controlled the ball for much of the game. 18 passes and 5 runs is hardly a good sample size, especially considering all the other factors (first game, terrible play by most everybody, playoff atmosphere, and the Bengals playing great). If we are talking about this game and maybe the next two, yeah, it isn't looking so great. But you can hardly say one way or another what this means for the rest of his career. Sure, even I am less optimistic but just barely so. If he plays well next week a lot of this goes away.

Absolutely no advantage for Johnny this game. If he was going to have success he was going to do it alone. First game out against tough opponent in playoff atmosphere and he laid an egg. At least Shanahan and Johnny have some tape to look at and hopefully can figure out something. Remember Johnny didn't play under center one snap at A&M so it is pretty new to him. Got to give credit to the Bengals though. The Browns had no chance today no matter what happened. I will not be watching Sportcenter this week that is for sure.

At this point it is not looking good for my Johnny predictions. He has looked like a rookie and is really not ready.

Although to be completely fair it is his first game against a decent defense and the line is letting everyone through. But when the team failed to score points with Hoyer I put most of the blame on him so I have to do the same here.

lower lip said:

perfect, you're a yankee "fan" too to top it all off... you are a LOSER. hypothetically, if you ever happened to come up here for a game, and you told people at the tailgate all of this, you would be shunned... no one would want anything to do with you.. i can guarantee no browns fan on this board wants you to pretend to be a part of us too.

"Fact is I enjoyed Lebron winning his titles because I was a Heat fan the last four years and now if the Cavs win that will make it 3 for me."

this one right here ^^ *vomits*

"If someone can enjoy Nadal and McIlroy winning why can't I do the same for Johnny or Lebron. Sure there is definitely something about watching one team for your whole life and finally seeing them win it.I became a Yankees fan since 1998"

*more puke*

like i said before, hitler and bin laden had more dignity, character, and virtue than you.. and what's worse than you claiming to be a "real" fan of everything that happens to be great, is that you see absolutely no issue in the statement - "Fact is I enjoyed Lebron winning his titles because I was a Heat fan the last four years and now if the Cavs win that will make it 3 for me."

please, don't try to associate with us.

Hitler? Bin Laden? I'm here whether you like it or not. And it makes me happy knowing a guy like you doesn't like that. So here's to OUR team winning tomorrow and getting into the playoffs.

@mld-woody said:

Nadal and McIlroy don't compete in team sports. That statement has no bearing on the conversation.

"I root for Lebron wherever he goes. That doesn't mean I am not a real Cavs fan now." ---- That is pretty much the definition of not being a real fan. I'm guessing if Johnny was ever on another team you wouldn't be a Browns fan either. Again, that would be the definition of not being a "real" fan.

In the original post that I quoted you said that you would rather see Johnny have NFL success than the Aggies. That isn't being a "real" Aggie fan, that is being a fan of a player (and too often, those are just JF dick riders). How could you ever root for the success of some NFL team you are only following because of one guy over the team you are supposed to be a "real" fan of?

If you got upset because the team you were "real" fan of got a kick return TD and that mean Johnny didnt get stats, you dont sound like a "real" fan at all. You sound like a Johnny Football dickrider.

Also, what other good QBs has Texas A&M had?

First of all, what makes you the judge of what a "real" fan is. Like I said I was a "real" fan of A&M many years before Johnny got there and I am a "real" fan now. But Johnny was honestly that special in my mind. I know a lot of older Aggies will disagree but I am relatively young and things have changed a bit.

And something else you need to understand about me is that I've lived in Dallas my entire life and ever since I was old enough to watch sports for whatever reason I absolutely despised Dallas teams. So it was impossible for me to be the old fashioned root for your local team guy. So no matter what I do I will never be considered a "real" fan in most people's eyes. I really don't see what the big deal is. Call be a front-running, band-wagoner, Johnny lover all you want. Fact is I enjoyed Lebron winning his titles because I was a Heat fan the last four years and now if the Cavs win that will make it 3 for me. And if Johnny wins 1 super bowl here and another somewhere else that will be 2 for me. I watch sports to see greatness, not year after year of mediocrity. That being said I might root for good players and good teams but I don't hop around. I stick to my players or my teams no matter the success or failures. This year if the Browns win it will make me just as happy as you, or close anyway. I respect cheering on local teams your whole life but that is just not the way I do it. Whether you except me as a Browns fan or not I will be here cheering for them as long as Johnny is here, whether that is 1 year or his whole career. And who knows, watching every Browns game for several years might turn into something more than just rooting for one player.

If someone can enjoy Nadal and McIlroy winning why can't I do the same for Johnny or Lebron. Sure there is definitely something about watching one team for your whole life and finally seeing them win it. I became a Yankees fan since 1998 and have rooted for them ever since. I am a Yankee fan for life, but it doesn't really feel any different than being a Johnny or Lebron fan.

Edit: If I was a fan of a team for a long time and a guy like me came along and just started rooting for my team I wouldn't like it either. But just know that I'm am not a 14 year old kid who roots for the Cowboys, Yankees, and Lakers. I am very passionate about whatever team I am rooting for and will stick with this team through thick and thin, as long as Johnny is here. I am nervous as hell for today's game, but not all for Johnny. I really want to win. I would rather Johnny throw 5 interceptions and win the game then throw for 300 yards and make spectacular plays but lose.

@mld-woody said:

Wtf? What kind of fan are you? If you are truly an Aggie fan you'd enjoy their recent surge while you can. You wouldn't root for the success of one former player (that probably got paid for autographs and broke NCAA rules) over the success of the team...

I have agonized over their loses and celebrated their wins as much as you all with your respective teams. Even this year it killed me when they lost to Ole Miss and I went crazy when they beat Arkansas. There have been a lot of good quarterbacks at A&M, including Tannahill the year before Johnny. But Johnny was really that special. It got to the point where I was upset at a good kick return by A&M because it meant Johnny would get less yards.

And I don't get why rooting for certain players is worse than being a life long fan of a team. Rafael Nadal and Rory McIlroy are my favorite athletes and they are not on a team. I root for Lebron wherever he goes. That doesn't mean I am not a real Cavs fan now. If they lose it will kill me. Now I understand those of you who have watched the Cavs your whole lives feel differently about them than I do. But I don't care if you say I am not a real fan of the Browns or A&M. I will be watching and rooting for them same as you.

@code-win said:

Most Aggys I know just want to follow JF cause he won while in college, I think they want him to keep winning moreso than their train wreck school.

I think he will be special but that is speaking from the heart, we will see on SundayI

I have never missed an A&M game and rarely watch the NFL, but ever since Johnny came along and got drafted you are exactly right. He kind of ruined A&M football for me for a while because watching them now is so boring, even when they win. I would give up A&M ever winning a title for the Browns to win the super bowl this year. Although to be fair I didn't actually go to A&M and am only a fan of their basketball and football teams. My dad and the rest of my family did so that is why I watch the games.

It is JFF's first start and you want to pump him up even more. Good luck Marvin.

@usfbrown said:

If he shits the bed it'll be everyone else's fault but his.

You are not going to here excuses from me. If he makes an error then I will be the first one to admit it. I am admittedly very biased but try not to be on this board.

@canton-dawg said:

The JFF fanboys wanted Pettine to bench BH while the team was winning, which was ludicrous. Now that BH is preventing this team from winning its time to see what the 1st round draft choice can do. I certainly hope Johnny can elevate the offense to a higher level than BH could. But keep this in mind, if Johnny shits to bed the Manzealots will get a shitstorm headed back their way (provided they have the spine to return to this board).

When Hoyer beat Cincinatti I thought he played well enough to keep his job. But when they were 7-4 I thought a change needed to be made. You all wanted them to keep Brian in and guess what. The team is 7-6 and probably not going to make the playoffs, baring Johnny saving the day. And Johnny's success isn't my everything. If he is a bust so be it. If my favorite tennis player or golfer lose it isn't the end of the world and Johnny isn't any different. I hope he has success and believe me if he does I'm going to be on this board telling you. But i'm not going to stop posting because of an interception or a loss. We are in this together, win or lose.

@usfbrown said:

One point for you.

Color me shocked. A johnny fan boy who hates hoyer.

Saying a guy can't get it done doesn't mean that I hate him.

@usfbrown said:

Until manziel wins, you aren't right.

If he does win, congratulations? You win internet points?

Right about Hoyer and to be decided about Johnny.

@bbedward said:

You are the worst.

You taunt us for all our losing seasons, then still pretend you're a browns fan?

What is this a thing for jf lovers to come and gloat about how stupid we are and right they were.

Just because we didn't purchase dildos moulded by JF doesn't mean we didn't wanna see him or hope he succeeds for the browns for many,many years. We're behind JF, I don't know why you have a perception otherwise.

Every time someone like me gave there honest opinion on Hoyer or Manziel you all resorted to calling us "fanboys" and saying that we were not real fans of the Browns. Now that it is apparent that we were right we want to let it known to all of you that didn't respect our opinion. You are not stupid, just wrong about this one thing.

I don't know where the term "fanboy" came from. I am a big fan of Johnny Manziel and a new fan of the Browns and you all are big fans of the Browns and a new fan of Johnny Manziel. If I have a Manziel dildo then you all have 53 of many shapes and sizes to choose from. You all are now behind Johnny just as I am now behind the Browns. That will be the case until Johnny signs with another team, if that ever happens.

Every week when some of us wanted to pull Hoyer you called us "fanboys" and said we weren't real Browns fans. When we said that Hoyer is garbage you jumped on us and said Hoyer is winning games. Us "fanboys" were right. Not about Manziel because we don't know that yet but about Hoyer. Now all of you want to make a change? Hoyer looked no better or worse this game then several games this season. I hope Johnny gets traded to a team that really wants to accomplish things, not go 7-4 and be afraid to make a change. I will root for the Browns so long as Johnny is here but some of you need to raise your expectations a bit for this team and not be satisfied with mediocrity.

The second quarter touchdown drive lost us the game. If we don't score there Pettine puts Johnny in to start the second half.

It's funny that now all of you want Johnny to start the next game. Everything you are saying now could have been said last week and Johnny would have started. Johnny wins this game. No doubt in my mind. We lost by one with Hoyer playing awful. I don't know if Johnny can beat Cincy but Johnny wins this game.

ManzielSucks said:

That is an overreaction since when the Bills starters were in JF fumbled into the endzone.

The fumble was caused by a miscommunication with the snap, which is to be expected with a rookie coming in on the road for his first significant action.

And by the way the end result was an incomplete pass. Hoyer would have lost 10 yards by taking the sack.

I will not overreact to what I saw today but it is clear Johnny at quarterback makes us a better team. Maybe the pressure of a playoff hunt is too much to put on a rookie, maybe it isn't, but Hoyer is not the answer.

@miktoxic said:

see you gave yourself away.

we miss the playoffs?

you are not even a brown's fan so go shit in a hat.

Yes we miss the playoffs. I am a Browns fan like it or not. I like it when the team wins, even with Hoyer as quarterback. I would rather be a JM Fag then a Browns fan so desperate for a winning season they are too afraid to change anything.

@miktoxic said:

alright. now i can definitely write you off as another JF fag.

please STFU. we've heard this shit since june.

I've said all I need to say and gave my opinion. We will see what happens the rest of the way. If we win the Super Bowl, fantastic!!! If we miss the playoffs there is always next year, which I'm sure you are all used to saying anyway.