da salary and bonus next year come in somewhere around 10 mllion ,7.5 mill. salary ,quinns salary next year aroud 700 thousand ,do the math ,7.5 mill.versus 700 thousand ,i don't think da played 10 times better than quinn if at all..

da is so bad words can't even explain it,,we could bring dorsey back and he would have better stat then da the last 4-5 games,

we need to waive da and ride the season out with quinn ,see how he does without the da distraction and go from there.

the defense quit playing why,well when you feel beat, and the offense putters over and over again ,and your getting pounded, and see no chance week in and week out ,and your field general sucks week in and week out ,the team has no spirit,..and gives up, also least we not forget , when you had edwards,winslow,jj,,heiden,stallworth,, with tucker and still a decent o-line your boy still sucked after mid-season 07 and all of 08, so cut the pass drop talent shit for not doing good..

the fans boo the team , the stadiums empty ,and out trots da again ,,m-man and zombo its not even funny for shit and giggles to get other posters worked up anymore ,after 3 weeks in a row and 12 for 29 1 int. and 2 fumbles 32nd passer rating for 2 years in a row now and you still antagonize the other posters with your bullshit its getting old,how in hell do you rah-rah da still ,no wonder half the board left ,they want to discuss what and how to win and you 2 espically want to keep basting da just enough to keep pissing intelligent posters off to leave for another board,,pretty soon if you keep it up you will be talking to each other because nobody else will be here...even lumm chilled out ...this is my advice ,take it or leave it ,later...

how the hell can anybody come on the board and post da is the man ,he sucked the second half of the baltimore game,, at best played a iffy cincy game ,and sucked in the buffalo game to the extent of breaking records with his 2 of 17 comp. perct. ,, there is drops in every game for every qb , 6 of 17 ,is still lousy,, [half drops caught]

is that all the da people ever want is a 500 at best ball club,, quinn has been screwed since day 1,,but to not play him out a few more games and put anderson back in ,,after 30+ something games ,your punch-drunk ,the buffalo win was a joke ,, all those penalties on their o-line ,, our great punting,, the fumble at the end,, 1 good cribbs run,, against maybe the worst team in the league..big frigging deal..all the pressure put on quinn since day 1 crippled him and a-hole mangini yanked him to save his own butt..

spark my a-- ,daboll from what i read on other boards held him back on the play calling,,the o-line on the right side was not gelled at all ,, and quinn played minny,denver,and the ravens,, da plays cincy and buffalo,,[where they thought da could shine against lesser teams] they ,espically daboll set him up to fail,,quinn questioned some of his play calls , and all of us work somewhere ,,and you know how it is when you question someone in the power position,, thats why da and daboll seemed so chummy on the sidelines,,

its so obvious they don't want quinn or da to be the qb for this team,,make quinn look bad and trade him shortly ,and da ,, you could get rid of him anytime , because they know most browns fans would be glad...

Speculation commences that Mangini won't make it to January

Posted by Mike Florio on September 27, 2009 7:59 PM ET

Last year, Browns owner Randy Lerner fired coach Romeo Crennel and G.M. Phil Savage, only a year after giving each of them contract extensions.

Now, with the Browns at 0-3 and coach Eric Mangini in the eye of a storm of criticism and grievances, some league insiders openly are expressing concern that Mangini won't make it through the end of the season.

If so, Mangini possibly would be the only head coach fired by two different NFL teams in less than a year.

Butch Davis resigned after 11 games in 2000. In all, the Browns have had five head coaches (permanent and interim) in the decade since they have returned to the league.

da's 3 int's could have easially been 4 or 5 ,, his best pass that got us 3 points was a pass inteference call ,,good call for us but the ball wasn't even catchable,, he sucks ,only problem is quinn is sucking just as bad,.

the front office needs to take a play out of savages book and trade one tomorrow ,,both are looking over their shoulders and it is killing the qb play and the team ,,the person that came up with the statement ,,when you have 2 qb's you have none should patent that and sell it to all nfl teams...

maybe mangini can handle the fans booing da which will happen,, but da knows the majority of the fans want quinn and he is the one that has to play under this pressure ,at home to boot,, and when da is under pressure what usually happens,,just saying....

@azbrowns said:

Bernie was also not considered starting material on a contending team at that point in his career either. Hence why he spent it as a backup elsewhere.

Belichick cited "diminshing skills" as the reason for reeleasing him and while most Browns fans were pissed off at the time, the reality was that he was right. He was lucky to go to the Cowboys where there was a stacked roster on both sides of the ball.

true ,da,and quinn are what 25 ,i believe bill might think he can bring da along to make him a good starter ,, espically with a good o-line and a running game ,[da needs the perfect situation to excell] good ,a+ for the browns,we do not have the luxary to have 2 starters with as many holes on this teamas we have to fill ,,we are rebuilding ,either quinn is it or we hit the draft next year...

@vegasdogg said:

DA to NE is laughable. You think Bill tolerates mental mistakes and turnovers? And he isn't giving up much for either QB. He is the last trading partner you want in all of this.

We need to keep both. No reason to trade either unless we get a offered something big. DA is worth more than you might think and we shouldn't low ball for him. Plus the QB market for backups is going to be saturated after cuts so why wouldn't a team just wait?

We're not moving one without someone breaking the bank. And because of the plethora of backups getting cut we won't get that bank.

i think i remember big bill choosing vinny t, at one time if i'am not mistaken..

da to the pats makes some sense,,tom brady has been injury prone lately ,,and da has a lot more game experience than what they have,,they the pats are knocking on the superbowl door with the team they currently have,, its no time for a complete no-name for back-up qb ,,espn did rate da at no.7 ...

its more obvious now than ever,,quinn at 1 ,,ratliff at 2 ,,and harrell at 3[no worse than dorsey] ,,da will only be a distraction to the team and quinns development and mangini knows this ,,now that they have ratliff ,who mangini is comfortable with there won't be a vacuum at the qb position if quinn were to get injured ,,the writing is on the wall ,,they'll move da for what ever they can get being nobody bit on him during the draft,,imho...

WOW,how many hours was cutler on the market once denver decided to trade him,,how long has our pro-bowl qb been available ?

there seems to be little interest in da,,does he really suck that bad ? maybe one of those nfc teams that need more to stay close to chicago will need a qb ..

lets not forget willie was a washed up l.backer with vet.status ,so he was the given starter,,no doubt his comments are because his nose is in romeos ass ..

but its willie who now!!!!!

how about we give them da ,and swap 1st and 5th picks,lions get their qb and still get the no.5 pick and we get curry with the no.1...

millions of dollars ,a 5 or 10 million dollar contract turns into a 50 or 60 million dollar contract for doing a handfull of pills in the off season, what 21 year old kid would do that ,,there is back stabbing ,lying cheating in every job or company that mostly anyone could think of..for promotions, to a few bucks more an hour ,,people do funny things for that all mighty dollar,,is it right ,NO,but to think baseball and football players are some kind of saints or goodie too shoes is a story book tale,,its all about getting more MONEY...

question,, if by chance we could lets say trade da to a team needing a qb,and they had a lets say, rb or lb with a salary in the 5 mill. range ,,how does that work out ?

lerner showed he had some balls to hire mangini before a gm ,the coach is the one on the field ,and if we know ,or should i say remember anything from last year, it was always said romeo decided who played ,but we might assume phil had a lot to say in the assistant coaches and who played ,,from what we hear ,if we get K from the ravens as gm ,and he and mangini both answer to lerner this might stop any ego trips,,manginis choices of assistants seem strong so far ,lets see what HAPPENS and support it ,before we break it down with critisize it..

what we need is a pass rush first above all else to have any chance against pitt and the ravens,,the way i saw it when pitt. losses its because ben is getting pressured badly not from opponets scoring big,,and to ever get to the dance we have to beat pitt. and baltimore..

how on earth could one think with a h.c. coaching change ,,the crowd chanting brady-brady,, and booing when anderson comes on the field,, and cheering when he gets injured ,,could think the front office,, or new coach,, would bring him back on the field and try to shove him down a already weak fan bases throat,,that would be totally assanine by any owner of any sports team period..lets face it the browns fans far exceeding this board want quinn period...

what really,i mean really sucks the most is we could of had a first and a third from dallas ,[baltimore,miami] or however its was going to go down for a career backup that were stuck with at present ,and a 5 mill. dollar bonus ,for a guy we probably can't trade because nobody really wanted him at the end of 2007 let alone after the disasterous season he had this year ,this is one last twist of the knife we get from savage...we will probably have to cut him and eat the loss ,,no way the qb bull**** keeps going on ,the team can't advance and the f.o. knows it + bq is randy's boy...