Camp Battles / Browns Training Camp 2021

Dutch Oven

Hooper was pretty 'meh' last season. Not bad, mind you, just not someone that made you feel warm and fuzzy over the big contract they gave him.

Looking forward to seeing how Bryant looks this season, after a full NFL offseason. Kid started off decently, then hit the proverbial wall at 100mph.

I've gotten burned on Njoku before, thinking he was on the cusp of becoming the guy the Browns used a first rounder on. We'll see.

Unsympathetic

First, regarding the 2017 draft.. let's be thankful that our then-woeful "brain" trust didn't trade the pick that became njoku to sentence us to 4 years of Trubisky.

However, Njoku at 29 was appropriate - presuming, of course, you avoid thinking about someone named TJ watt who was taken at 30. Move on but never forget..

@dutch-oven said:

Hooper was pretty 'meh' last season

Hooper was meh his whole career.. at ATL his entire route tree was drag, curl, and stand there in the flat. It's like they never looked at any video to see the garbage time stats before signing him..

Orion

Hooper was a beast with Atlanta. Last year was a very funky year. With the lack of practice time, and trying to learn a new system and acquire proper timing....perhaps everything can be put together this year.

Orion

Zombo said:

Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.

...yes...that's a good way to put it...but Bryant runs like Frankenstein sometimes, with both arms around the ball...because he fumbled a time or two early in the season.

Tour2ma

@dutch-oven said:

And no one misunderstood what was going on during the Sashi era.

Belied by every post you make on the subject...

gumby73

I'd say we nailed most of these. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/07/what-position-battles-am-i-most-looking-forward-to-at-browns-training-camp-there-are-a-lot-ellis-l-williams.html

I'm also finding it hard for Woods to resist from playing a lot of Big Nickle with 3 Safety's with the likes of.. JJ3/Delpit & Ronnie Harrison...

We might have a 2 look safety battle of Grant Delpit vs Ronnie Harrison to sort out also ? Rookie FS Richard LeCounte.. sits behind Delpit on most depth charts..Harrison sits behind JJ3

Dozen days till start of Training Camp

tiamat63

That big nickel is essentially your base defense. I'm hoping more and more people are coming to this understanding.

Orion

@tiamat63 said:

That big nickel is essentially your base defense.

That's the way I see it. I don't expect to see much of the 3 lb'er sets. Unless JOK turns out to be a good big safety....or unless the opponent is hell bent to show that they can push our D around with their running game.

tiamat63

@orion said:

That's the way I see it. I don't expect to see much of the 3 lb'er sets. Unless JOK turns out to be a good big safety....or unless the opponent is hell bent to show that they can push our D around with their running game.

JOK is your WILL and/or whatever other designation he's going to get in nickel and dime sets. If he shows out in camp, he ain't leaving the field. Your "Big" is likely Harrison.

gumby73

@tiamat63 said:

That big nickel is essentially your base defense. I'm hoping more and more people are coming to this understanding.

When we head to KC week 1, I won't mind even seeing some speed corners on the field aka Ward/Greedy/Newsome with some Troy Hill ?.. I've almost given up on Reek Hill being taking away from Homie in any game... Mecole Hardman is just as fast & becoming a WR weapon too.. Any DB insight on a high low double team to take away Travis Kelsey? I just assume Hill & Kelsey kill every team.. Not only the Browns..

Orion

@gumby73 said:

When we head to KC week 1,

Yeah...ultimately, we have to figure out how to beat them don't we. Thus the 4-2-5....with some better players.

calfoxwc

@orion said:

Yeah...ultimately, we have to figure out how to beat them don't we. Thus the 4-2-5....with some better players.

IT's really interesting - the Chief's defense is used to playing against Kelsey and Hill and Hardman in practice.... but the Browns have a huge advantage in DE's, LB's (now), and secondary (now) on defense. On offense, Baker can't run like a gazelle like Mahomes, but the Browns have a big advantage in oline, rb's and TE depth. The Browns can control the game? with their running game - but can Kelsey/Hill/Hardman get open often enough with this Browns secondary and linebackers? Can the Browns defense come together in time? Can Anthony Schwartz play as similar a dramatic role with the Browns offense his rookie year as Hill did with the Chiefs?

Luckily, Anthony has competition for playing time - Hill was a necessary quick addition to their offense.....

gumby73

@calfoxwc said:

Tyreek Hill was mostly a kr when he came to the Chiefs - he had even been labeled a possible UDFA. Anthony IS a wr from the gitgo, even though he has a lot to learn, too. I expect to see Scwartz make a big difference with the Browns - not sure if he will be pressed into big productivity as soon.

When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..

Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...

gumby73

Daryl Ruiter

@RuiterWrongFAN

For those asking about #Browns camp tix: Mon., July 19, registration for a chance to get up to 4 tix per account for practice through the team app or website. Tix delivered through lotto system. Season tix members & waitlist to get prioritized access to a %age of tix per practice

5:46 PM · Jul 15, 2021

Daryl Ruiter

@RuiterWrongFAN

#Browns will host 12 open practices for fans in Berea for Training Camp starting July 30 @ 2:25pm. Gates still open 1 HR in advance. Team can accommodate 2,000 fans per session for health & safety

4:31 PM · Jul 15, 2021

these should be tough to find

@RuiterWrongFAN

#Browns joint practices with the #Giants will be held Aug. 19 & 20 & those practices are closed to the public.

4:28 PM · Jul 15, 2021

Edit--Orange Browns scrimmage added*

Fans back at training camp this year for 12 practices

Camp Happy Friday !

ballpeen

Zombo said:

Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.

Bryant could be the future at the position.

Z

Speed has never been his deal. He is good at getting open by having enough juke in his cuts to gain separation, and he has really good hands. But, yeah, he isn't a YAC guy, he is more of a possession type player. Which is fine if you go in knowing he isn't going to run away from many players.

First downs work for me. I don't expect him to break it for another 20-25 yards.

calfoxwc

@gumby73 said:

When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..

Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...

Good point on getting off the los, but Ross was also a db at times in his career, and had several injuries starting in college. He didn't have the muscle? to take hits etc. But he certainly was talented, and a burner. I think Schwartz is more a smart, driven kid - quick to learn, and can hold up playing a rough game. He has outstanding Browns coaches and fellow players to get him learning how to be a better wr in the pros. Ross went to the bungles. lol....

we'll see. I think he will develop into a star - he isn't Ross fragile, he's Tyreek tough.

Orion

@calfoxwc said:

Can Anthony Schwartz play as similar a dramatic role with the Browns offense his rookie year as Hill did with the Chiefs?

I think, right now, I'd be happy if he could get off the 'Unsigned Draft Picks' portion of the team roster page. ( & Newsome too)

ballpeen

@gumby73 said:

When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..

Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...

They will press him at first. I don't think being stuck at the LOS will be a problem. As you said, teams played off him a lot in college. I don't think they started out doing that. I think they backed off because he was beating the press and scorching people deeper. I see it as there was a reason they played off coverage. he did play in the SEC. It's not like he was facing crap teams or crap corners week in and week out.

No doubt that time will tell and he will need to work on his technique

tiamat63

Beating press, any type of bump, jam whatever, is every bit as much about fluidity in movement, hand usage and footwork (especially off the line) then it is simply strength. Ever see Desean Jackson? He's 5'9 165lbs and not very strong. If strength was the biggest factor then he would be getting owned by just about every corner in the NFL.

Granted, being a smaller target I'm sure helps. Less strike area to get your hands on and Schwartz is a decently built kid as opposed to the smaller speed guys we've mentioned here ( 5'11 about 190)

ballpeen

I agree.

Plus, being bigger means there is more area to hit resulting in illegal contact downfield.

Bottom line, not getting off the line and in to the route isn't going to be a problem