Camp Battles / Browns Training Camp 2021
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Just Dutch trying to bait me (again) by displaying his lack of understanding of what we were doing in the Sashi era...
Actually I like saying that because DBone always gets a kick out of it.
The fact that your love of Sashi gets you all butthurt is just the cherry on top ?
And no one misunderstood what was going on during the Sashi era. They were tanking. Sashi was just too shitty to take advantage of the tank.
And no one misunderstood what was going on during the Sashi era.
Belied by every post you make on the subject...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'd say we nailed most of these. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/07/what-position-battles-am-i-most-looking-forward-to-at-browns-training-camp-there-are-a-lot-ellis-l-williams.html
I'm also finding it hard for Woods to resist from playing a lot of Big Nickle with 3 Safety's with the likes of.. JJ3/Delpit & Ronnie Harrison...
We might have a 2 look safety battle of Grant Delpit vs Ronnie Harrison to sort out also ? Rookie FS Richard LeCounte.. sits behind Delpit on most depth charts..Harrison sits behind JJ3
Dozen days till start of Training Camp
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That big nickel is essentially your base defense. I'm hoping more and more people are coming to this understanding.
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That big nickel is essentially your base defense. I'm hoping more and more people are coming to this understanding.
That big nickel is essentially your base defense.
That's the way I see it. I don't expect to see much of the 3 lb'er sets. Unless JOK turns out to be a good big safety....or unless the opponent is hell bent to show that they can push our D around with their running game.
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That's the way I see it. I don't expect to see much of the 3 lb'er sets. Unless JOK turns out to be a good big safety....or unless the opponent is hell bent to show that they can push our D around with their running game.
JOK is your WILL and/or whatever other designation he's going to get in nickel and dime sets. If he shows out in camp, he ain't leaving the field. Your "Big" is likely Harrison.
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That big nickel is essentially your base defense. I'm hoping more and more people are coming to this understanding.
That big nickel is essentially your base defense. I'm hoping more and more people are coming to this understanding.
When we head to KC week 1, I won't mind even seeing some speed corners on the field aka Ward/Greedy/Newsome with some Troy Hill ?.. I've almost given up on Reek Hill being taking away from Homie in any game... Mecole Hardman is just as fast & becoming a WR weapon too.. Any DB insight on a high low double team to take away Travis Kelsey? I just assume Hill & Kelsey kill every team.. Not only the Browns..
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That big nickel is essentially your base defense. I'm hoping more and more people are coming to this understanding.
When we head to KC week 1, I won't mind even seeing some speed corners on the field aka Ward/Greedy/Newsome with some Troy Hill ?.. I've almost given up on Reek Hill being taking away from Homie in any game... Mecole Hardman is just as fast & becoming a WR weapon too.. Any DB insight on a high low double team to take away Travis Kelsey? I just assume Hill & Kelsey kill every team.. Not only the Browns..
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Yeah...ultimately, we have to figure out how to beat them don't we. Thus the 4-2-5....with some better players.
IT's really interesting - the Chief's defense is used to playing against Kelsey and Hill and Hardman in practice.... but the Browns have a huge advantage in DE's, LB's (now), and secondary (now) on defense. On offense, Baker can't run like a gazelle like Mahomes, but the Browns have a big advantage in oline, rb's and TE depth. The Browns can control the game? with their running game - but can Kelsey/Hill/Hardman get open often enough with this Browns secondary and linebackers? Can the Browns defense come together in time? Can Anthony Schwartz play as similar a dramatic role with the Browns offense his rookie year as Hill did with the Chiefs?
Luckily, Anthony has competition for playing time - Hill was a necessary quick addition to their offense.....
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Tyreek Hill was mostly a kr when he came to the Chiefs - he had even been labeled a possible UDFA. Anthony IS a wr from the gitgo, even though he has a lot to learn, too. I expect to see Scwartz make a big difference with the Browns - not sure if he will be pressed into big productivity as soon.
When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..
Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...
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Daryl Ruiter@RuiterWrongFANFor those asking about #Browns camp tix: Mon., July 19, registration for a chance to get up to 4 tix per account for practice through the team app or website. Tix delivered through lotto system. Season tix members & waitlist to get prioritized access to a %age of tix per practice#Browns will host 12 open practices for fans in Berea for Training Camp starting July 30 @ 2:25pm. Gates still open 1 HR in advance. Team can accommodate 2,000 fans per session for health & safety4:31 PM · Jul 15, 2021Daryl Ruiter@RuiterWrongFAN#Browns will host 12 open practices for fans in Berea for Training Camp starting July 30 @ 2:25pm. Gates still open 1 HR in advance. Team can accommodate 2,000 fans per session for health & safetythese should be tough to find
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Zombo said:
Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.
Bryant could be the future at the position.
Z
Speed has never been his deal. He is good at getting open by having enough juke in his cuts to gain separation, and he has really good hands. But, yeah, he isn't a YAC guy, he is more of a possession type player. Which is fine if you go in knowing he isn't going to run away from many players.
First downs work for me. I don't expect him to break it for another 20-25 yards.
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Tyreek Hill was mostly a kr when he came to the Chiefs - he had even been labeled a possible UDFA. Anthony IS a wr from the gitgo, even though he has a lot to learn, too. I expect to see Scwartz make a big difference with the Browns - not sure if he will be pressed into big productivity as soon.
When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..
Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...
When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..
Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...
Good point on getting off the los, but Ross was also a db at times in his career, and had several injuries starting in college. He didn't have the muscle? to take hits etc. But he certainly was talented, and a burner. I think Schwartz is more a smart, driven kid - quick to learn, and can hold up playing a rough game. He has outstanding Browns coaches and fellow players to get him learning how to be a better wr in the pros. Ross went to the bungles. lol....
we'll see. I think he will develop into a star - he isn't Ross fragile, he's Tyreek tough.
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Yeah...ultimately, we have to figure out how to beat them don't we. Thus the 4-2-5....with some better players.
IT's really interesting - the Chief's defense is used to playing against Kelsey and Hill and Hardman in practice.... but the Browns have a huge advantage in DE's, LB's (now), and secondary (now) on defense. On offense, Baker can't run like a gazelle like Mahomes, but the Browns have a big advantage in oline, rb's and TE depth. The Browns can control the game? with their running game - but can Kelsey/Hill/Hardman get open often enough with this Browns secondary and linebackers? Can the Browns defense come together in time? Can Anthony Schwartz play as similar a dramatic role with the Browns offense his rookie year as Hill did with the Chiefs?
Luckily, Anthony has competition for playing time - Hill was a necessary quick addition to their offense.....
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Tyreek Hill was mostly a kr when he came to the Chiefs - he had even been labeled a possible UDFA. Anthony IS a wr from the gitgo, even though he has a lot to learn, too. I expect to see Scwartz make a big difference with the Browns - not sure if he will be pressed into big productivity as soon.
When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..
Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...
When i can see if tSchwartz is T.Hill/Landry strong enough to get off press man in the 5 yards given...Than we may have something..I doubt NFL teams will let Schwartz have his 8-10 yard college free releases, saw on most of his college tape... It's the same thing 'fast as a comet' John Ross saw & is failing at..
Our Punt return job is wide open..TAKE IT! He'll have to catch a punt first...THan address the NFL train wrecks ahead next.. He has the size & speed to do it.. I'll have my 'hate the pick in the 3rd' Anthony glasses on ? him early & late...
They will press him at first. I don't think being stuck at the LOS will be a problem. As you said, teams played off him a lot in college. I don't think they started out doing that. I think they backed off because he was beating the press and scorching people deeper. I see it as there was a reason they played off coverage. he did play in the SEC. It's not like he was facing crap teams or crap corners week in and week out.
No doubt that time will tell and he will need to work on his technique
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Beating press, any type of bump, jam whatever, is every bit as much about fluidity in movement, hand usage and footwork (especially off the line) then it is simply strength. Ever see Desean Jackson? He's 5'9 165lbs and not very strong. If strength was the biggest factor then he would be getting owned by just about every corner in the NFL.
Granted, being a smaller target I'm sure helps. Less strike area to get your hands on and Schwartz is a decently built kid as opposed to the smaller speed guys we've mentioned here ( 5'11 about 190)
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I agree.
Plus, being bigger means there is more area to hit resulting in illegal contact downfield.
Bottom line, not getting off the line and in to the route isn't going to be a problem
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Training camp tickets are open and available lottery style.
I put in for the Wednesday's. I'd like to make an early camp and a later camp. So if you're there on the 4th, 11th or 25th - holla. I'm trying to make all 3 and play catch up on missing my camp threads from a couple years ago.
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Zombo said:
Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.
Bryant could be the future at the position.
Z
Hooper is one of those guys who does everything well, nothing great. They overpaid for him, for sure, but that level of veteran experience and reliability bodes well for the position. I'd be really surprised if he's on the roster next year (something like $6 million can be saved against the cap), but I think he's great for this team could be this season.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler, we've been making up for lost time with family and friends. But, I was able to buy a new house with a new 75'' TV and a recliner that I can't wait to argue with you mofos on Sundays in.
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Zombo said:
Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.
Bryant could be the future at the position.
Z
Hooper is one of those guys who does everything well, nothing great. They overpaid for him, for sure, but that level of veteran experience and reliability bodes well for the position. I'd be really surprised if he's on the roster next year (something like $6 million can be saved against the cap), but I think he's great for this team could be this season.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler, we've been making up for lost time with family and friends. But, I was able to buy a new house with a new 75'' TV and a recliner that I can't wait to argue with you mofos on Sundays in.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler
My 7-week old is at grandma's until tomorrow afternoon.. freedom for a night! Stay safe, everyone -- the new variant is increasing [read: Spreading from person to person] even in the states with high vax rates. My hospital still requires masks indoors.. ignorance is no excuse either for you or the people you will transmit it to [yes, even unintentionally].
Science is always advancing.. this past year's virtual eradication of the otherwise benign viral asthma triggers may have been the key all along.
Now let's get out there and arm wrestle over the difference during a play of 2 guys' 4.58 and 4.63 40-yard times!
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Zombo said:
Hooper seemed lead-footed to me.
Bryant could be the future at the position.
Z
Hooper is one of those guys who does everything well, nothing great. They overpaid for him, for sure, but that level of veteran experience and reliability bodes well for the position. I'd be really surprised if he's on the roster next year (something like $6 million can be saved against the cap), but I think he's great for this team could be this season.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler, we've been making up for lost time with family and friends. But, I was able to buy a new house with a new 75'' TV and a recliner that I can't wait to argue with you mofos on Sundays in.
Hooper is one of those guys who does everything well, nothing great. They overpaid for him, for sure, but that level of veteran experience and reliability bodes well for the position. I'd be really surprised if he's on the roster next year (something like $6 million can be saved against the cap), but I think he's great for this team could be this season.
Nice to see you all back here, by the way! With vaccines in arms and a quarantine 19 month old toddler, we've been making up for lost time with family and friends. But, I was able to buy a new house with a new 75'' TV and a recliner that I can't wait to argue with you mofos on Sundays in.
The cap hit on Hooper is pretty ugly the next two years. We are better off using him and parting ways with Njoku. I’ve always said Njoku will be better on his second contract it is too bad we are developing him for someone else.
Congrats on everything. I have a 19 month old too. The Baker jersey she had last year should fit better.
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