Mayfield Contract Situation
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Fully agree with Dutch, also get it done before we beat kc week 1 or the price of poker takes a trip north.
Fully agree with Dutch, also get it done before we beat kc week 1 or the price of poker takes a trip north.
What happens when they get clapped by KC?
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There's a great team around him now and he needs to lead it to a cash to earn the cash.... if he does and therefore commands a marginally bigger contract then so be it... at least then we will know he can do it.
I really see your point and you could end up being right. I think most people I speak to share your strategy.
I guess a counterpoint would be Baker might play better without worrying about the contract situation. Not trying to press too much, not trying to earn that money, and focusing on the game and nothing else. A relaxed, confident quarterback.
Now, people might say, "If a QB is that fragile, I don't want him, anyway!" and I would somewhat understand that aspect. Here's the thing that we ALL know more than ANYBODY: you can't just find a QB whenever you want to. It simply doesn't work that way.
By the principles of supply and demand, Baker has ALL the leverage. If we don't pay him, somebody else would throw their lives at him. Think about how many teams would sell their family for a QB like Baker. Now, I can't realistically see Baker EVER hitting free agency, but if he did, lord knows where'd he go. You don't think PITTSBURGH would die for him? You don't think Baker would absolutely RELISH the chance to play his old team twice?
The point is, Baker is a hot commodity, even before taking a snap this year. I fully anticipate Baker struggling week one, as the Chiefs had a near perfect game plan against us and forced Baker to make multiple near-perfect throws that are difficult to repeat. I realize we didn't have OBJ and that's huge, but it's going to be difficult to score again, I'd almost guarantee it. We're also likely to be down which will force us to throw...you get the idea. Not the best match up week 1, but after that, watch out.
Management must also factor in intangibles, which is difficult to do. Baker has a very unique personality that fits extremely well with Cleveland. You might not think that matters, but I believe it does. Before the draft he famously said, "If anyone can turn around this franchise, it's going to be me." I was already majorly leaning towards Baker, but that absolutely sealed it for me.
So what are we talking about here? Waiting vs not waiting, right? That probably comes down to a final total of what...$40 million over the life of the contract? That's a semi-steep price for piece of mind, but in light of the Goff and Wentz SNAFU's...it could totally be worth it.
The real question is, what do you do if Baker has a subpar season? THAT'S the question nobody wants to entertain because the options aren't fun to consider. To be fair, you never know what happens with free agency, QBs demanding trades, or whatever. But history generally tells us that great QBs don't generally appear from thin air.
Personally, I'm signing Baker right the eff now, and I'm not looking back. The 4-5 million we'd save a year is the difference between having Wyatt Tellar and not having him. Keeping Chubb vs drafting a rookie. Figuring out how to keep Landry...you get the point. For the first time in basically forever, we have to be stingy with the purse strings. Every penny will count, as we have so many amazing players which require sizeable contracts.
Anyway, I totally didn't mean to write another infamous Jiggins novel, so I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I was just having fun with the dilemma and putting some thoughts to paper. Can't wait to chat with you guys on the Tavern!
Anyway, I totally didn't mean to write another infamous Jiggins novel,
Happens when you try to anticipate and counter every counterpoint...
but this was more of a novelette.
Just let it go... and see where the thread goes. Probably will stay more on topic than it's about to...
What happens when they get clapped by KC?
Blow it all up?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
There's a great team around him now and he needs to lead it to a cash to earn the cash.... if he does and therefore commands a marginally bigger contract then so be it... at least then we will know he can do it.
I really see your point and you could end up being right. I think most people I speak to share your strategy.
I guess a counterpoint would be Baker might play better without worrying about the contract situation. Not trying to press too much, not trying to earn that money, and focusing on the game and nothing else. A relaxed, confident quarterback.
Now, people might say, "If a QB is that fragile, I don't want him, anyway!" and I would somewhat understand that aspect. Here's the thing that we ALL know more than ANYBODY: you can't just find a QB whenever you want to. It simply doesn't work that way.
By the principles of supply and demand, Baker has ALL the leverage. If we don't pay him, somebody else would throw their lives at him. Think about how many teams would sell their family for a QB like Baker. Now, I can't realistically see Baker EVER hitting free agency, but if he did, lord knows where'd he go. You don't think PITTSBURGH would die for him? You don't think Baker would absolutely RELISH the chance to play his old team twice?
The point is, Baker is a hot commodity, even before taking a snap this year. I fully anticipate Baker struggling week one, as the Chiefs had a near perfect game plan against us and forced Baker to make multiple near-perfect throws that are difficult to repeat. I realize we didn't have OBJ and that's huge, but it's going to be difficult to score again, I'd almost guarantee it. We're also likely to be down which will force us to throw...you get the idea. Not the best match up week 1, but after that, watch out.
Management must also factor in intangibles, which is difficult to do. Baker has a very unique personality that fits extremely well with Cleveland. You might not think that matters, but I believe it does. Before the draft he famously said, "If anyone can turn around this franchise, it's going to be me." I was already majorly leaning towards Baker, but that absolutely sealed it for me.
So what are we talking about here? Waiting vs not waiting, right? That probably comes down to a final total of what...$40 million over the life of the contract? That's a semi-steep price for piece of mind, but in light of the Goff and Wentz SNAFU's...it could totally be worth it.
The real question is, what do you do if Baker has a subpar season? THAT'S the question nobody wants to entertain because the options aren't fun to consider. To be fair, you never know what happens with free agency, QBs demanding trades, or whatever. But history generally tells us that great QBs don't generally appear from thin air.
Personally, I'm signing Baker right the eff now, and I'm not looking back. The 4-5 million we'd save a year is the difference between having Wyatt Tellar and not having him. Keeping Chubb vs drafting a rookie. Figuring out how to keep Landry...you get the point. For the first time in basically forever, we have to be stingy with the purse strings. Every penny will count, as we have so many amazing players which require sizeable contracts.
Anyway, I totally didn't mean to write another infamous Jiggins novel, so I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I was just having fun with the dilemma and putting some thoughts to paper. Can't wait to chat with you guys on the Tavern!
very unique personality
As Martin Sheen once pointed out on The West Wing...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well taken, Mr. Jiggins... x 2...
No more clips... although at least one from The Green Mile occurred to me.
Just shocked to see nothing about the following posted anywhere https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/07/browns-sign-rb-nick-chubb-to-a-four-year-contract-extension-per-report.html.
Seems cheap.... so onto Mayfield.
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There's a great team around him now and he needs to lead it to a cash to earn the cash.... if he does and therefore commands a marginally bigger contract then so be it... at least then we will know he can do it.
I really see your point and you could end up being right. I think most people I speak to share your strategy.
I guess a counterpoint would be Baker might play better without worrying about the contract situation. Not trying to press too much, not trying to earn that money, and focusing on the game and nothing else. A relaxed, confident quarterback.
Now, people might say, "If a QB is that fragile, I don't want him, anyway!" and I would somewhat understand that aspect. Here's the thing that we ALL know more than ANYBODY: you can't just find a QB whenever you want to. It simply doesn't work that way.
By the principles of supply and demand, Baker has ALL the leverage. If we don't pay him, somebody else would throw their lives at him. Think about how many teams would sell their family for a QB like Baker. Now, I can't realistically see Baker EVER hitting free agency, but if he did, lord knows where'd he go. You don't think PITTSBURGH would die for him? You don't think Baker would absolutely RELISH the chance to play his old team twice?
The point is, Baker is a hot commodity, even before taking a snap this year. I fully anticipate Baker struggling week one, as the Chiefs had a near perfect game plan against us and forced Baker to make multiple near-perfect throws that are difficult to repeat. I realize we didn't have OBJ and that's huge, but it's going to be difficult to score again, I'd almost guarantee it. We're also likely to be down which will force us to throw...you get the idea. Not the best match up week 1, but after that, watch out.
Management must also factor in intangibles, which is difficult to do. Baker has a very unique personality that fits extremely well with Cleveland. You might not think that matters, but I believe it does. Before the draft he famously said, "If anyone can turn around this franchise, it's going to be me." I was already majorly leaning towards Baker, but that absolutely sealed it for me.
So what are we talking about here? Waiting vs not waiting, right? That probably comes down to a final total of what...$40 million over the life of the contract? That's a semi-steep price for piece of mind, but in light of the Goff and Wentz SNAFU's...it could totally be worth it.
The real question is, what do you do if Baker has a subpar season? THAT'S the question nobody wants to entertain because the options aren't fun to consider. To be fair, you never know what happens with free agency, QBs demanding trades, or whatever. But history generally tells us that great QBs don't generally appear from thin air.
Personally, I'm signing Baker right the eff now, and I'm not looking back. The 4-5 million we'd save a year is the difference between having Wyatt Tellar and not having him. Keeping Chubb vs drafting a rookie. Figuring out how to keep Landry...you get the point. For the first time in basically forever, we have to be stingy with the purse strings. Every penny will count, as we have so many amazing players which require sizeable contracts.
Anyway, I totally didn't mean to write another infamous Jiggins novel, so I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I was just having fun with the dilemma and putting some thoughts to paper. Can't wait to chat with you guys on the Tavern!
Personally, I'm signing Baker right the eff now, and I'm not looking back. The 4-5 million we'd save a year is the difference between having Wyatt Tellar and not having him. Keeping Chubb vs drafting a rookie. Figuring out how to keep Landry...you get the point. For the first time in basically forever, we have to be stingy with the purse strings. Every penny will count, as we have so many amazing players which require sizeable contracts.
Oh well... maybe next QB...
Allen’s blockbuster deal is also precisely why there’s no way Mayfield could have signed his extension before Allen did, and it would also behoove him to see what fellow 2018 draft classmate Lamar Jackson receives from Baltimore before negotiating in earnest.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The Josh Allen bar has been set. Does Baker deserve more or less? Yes or no.
Will Baker demand more? Yes or no.
In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.
My answers are No and Yes.
The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen. Be honest.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
The Josh Allen bar has been set. Does Baker deserve more or less? Yes or no.
Will Baker demand more? Yes or no.
In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.
My answers are No and Yes.
The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen. Be honest.
The Josh Allen bar has been set. Does Baker deserve more or less? Yes or no.
More or less? that isn't a yes or no answer. lol It depends on the team. I think Baker will get a huge contract - but he also knows if he prices his contract too high to keep his offensive line, it's counter-productive.
Will Baker demand more? Yes or no.
No.
In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.
My answers are No and Yes.
The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen. Be honest.
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The Josh Allen bar has been set. Does Baker deserve more or less? Yes or no.
Will Baker demand more? Yes or no.
In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.
My answers are No and Yes.
The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen. Be honest.
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The Josh Allen bar has been set. Does Baker deserve more or less? Yes or no.
Will Baker demand more? Yes or no.
In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.
My answers are No and Yes.
The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen. Be honest.
The Josh Allen bar has been set.
Does Baker deserve more or less? Yes or no.
Will Baker demand more? Yes or no.
presser after Brown & Orange scrimmage...
Does this sound like a QB betting on himself & his team winning?
fall where they may..
Let's Go Bake ! ??
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presser after Brown & Orange scrimmage...
Does this sound like a QB betting on himself & his team winning?
fall where they may..
Let's Go Bake ! ??
And why not...he’s got a great rookie deal (much better than Lamar and even Josh)
He has more endorsements than most guys and he’s a very marketable personality.
And he’s surrounded by a lot of talent.
He should do really well this coming season.
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The Josh Allen bar has been set. Does Baker deserve more or less? Yes or no.
Will Baker demand more? Yes or no.
In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.
My answers are No and Yes.
The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen. Be honest.
The Josh Allen bar has been set. Does Baker deserve more or less? Yes or no.
Will Baker demand more? Yes or no.
In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.
My answers are No and Yes.
The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen. Be honest.
If you look at the numbers baker deserves more. He's better in every category including rushing yards which blew my mind
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presser after Brown & Orange scrimmage...
Does this sound like a QB betting on himself & his team winning?
fall where they may..
Let's Go Bake ! ??
And why not...he’s got a great rookie deal (much better than Lamar and even Josh)
He has more endorsements than most guys and he’s a very marketable personality.
And he’s surrounded by a lot of talent.
He should do really well this coming season.
He has more endorsements than most guys and he’s a very marketable personality.
This is something that is going to make him a loooot of money for years to come. The guy’s a natural in front of the camera. Companies are dying to throw gobs of money at star athletes, but the problem is most of them can’t act. Look at how hard they try to milk the cardboard personality of Tom Brady.
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The Josh Allen bar has been set. Does Baker deserve more or less? Yes or no.
Will Baker demand more? Yes or no.
In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.
My answers are No and Yes.
The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen. Be honest.
If you look at the numbers baker deserves more. He's better in every category including rushing yards which blew my mind
If you look at the numbers baker deserves more. He's better in every category including rushing yards which blew my mind
Baker is protected far more than josh allen. Allen had 0 running game baker has a better OL , TE , and RB ,WR are a tie.
Could baker carry the team like josh allen did i dont think so. The problem with baker everything has to be right for it to work he isn't overcoming anything. if you have to pay him 250-300 Mil. He is going to have to overcome some personnel issues moving forward. can he ? idk
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If you look at the numbers baker deserves more. He's better in every category including rushing yards which blew my mind
Baker is protected far more than josh allen. Allen had 0 running game baker has a better OL , TE , and RB ,WR are a tie.
Could baker carry the team like josh allen did i dont think so. The problem with baker everything has to be right for it to work he isn't overcoming anything. if you have to pay him 250-300 Mil. He is going to have to overcome some personnel issues moving forward. can he ? idk
Baker is protected far more than josh allen. Allen had 0 running game baker has a better OL , TE , and RB ,WR are a tie.
Could baker carry the team like josh allen did i dont think so. The problem with baker everything has to be right for it to work he isn't overcoming anything. if you have to pay him 250-300 Mil. He is going to have to overcome some personnel issues moving forward. can he ? idk
Well, Baker and the offense had the number 16 defense backing them up. Josh Allen and the Bill's offense had the #4 defense backing them up. They both got to the playoffs, and that is with OBJ hurt for the year. Baker has proven himself to be the real deal. He doesn't run like Mahomes or Allen, but they both have been injured running, too.
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If you look at the numbers baker deserves more. He's better in every category including rushing yards which blew my mind
Baker is protected far more than josh allen. Allen had 0 running game baker has a better OL , TE , and RB ,WR are a tie.
Could baker carry the team like josh allen did i dont think so. The problem with baker everything has to be right for it to work he isn't overcoming anything. if you have to pay him 250-300 Mil. He is going to have to overcome some personnel issues moving forward. can he ? idk
Baker is protected far more than josh allen. Allen had 0 running game baker has a better OL , TE , and RB ,WR are a tie.
Could baker carry the team like josh allen did i dont think so. The problem with baker everything has to be right for it to work he isn't overcoming anything. if you have to pay him 250-300 Mil. He is going to have to overcome some personnel issues moving forward. can he ? idk
Well Josh has continuity the same coach and coordinators the past three years.
He also lead the league in dropped INTs 21. So if he’s a little unlucky this season you could see a drop in his production.
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BTW, Patrick Mahomes had a 6.3 rating with NFL.Com. Josh Allen had a 6.4.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-mahomes/32004d41-4840-1939-e4c1-bb89191b4e71
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-allen/3200414c-4c52-9264-bedc-c4ddaf201fe7
Guess what grade they gave Baker Mayfield?
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/baker-mayfield/32004d41-5948-3453-e6ac-1ecff99fdcf6
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BTW, Patrick Mahomes had a 6.3 rating with NFL.Com. Josh Allen had a 6.4.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-mahomes/32004d41-4840-1939-e4c1-bb89191b4e71
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-allen/3200414c-4c52-9264-bedc-c4ddaf201fe7
Guess what grade they gave Baker Mayfield?
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/baker-mayfield/32004d41-5948-3453-e6ac-1ecff99fdcf6
BTW, Patrick Mahomes had a 6.3 rating with NFL.Com. Josh Allen had a 6.4.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-mahomes/32004d41-4840-1939-e4c1-bb89191b4e71
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-allen/3200414c-4c52-9264-bedc-c4ddaf201fe7
Guess what grade they gave Baker Mayfield?
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/baker-mayfield/32004d41-5948-3453-e6ac-1ecff99fdcf6
why does that matter?
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BTW, Patrick Mahomes had a 6.3 rating with NFL.Com. Josh Allen had a 6.4.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-mahomes/32004d41-4840-1939-e4c1-bb89191b4e71
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-allen/3200414c-4c52-9264-bedc-c4ddaf201fe7
Guess what grade they gave Baker Mayfield?
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/baker-mayfield/32004d41-5948-3453-e6ac-1ecff99fdcf6
why does that matter?
why does that matter?
Probably only in that it isn't fair to judge
Baker based solely on the criteria you mentioned. -
Baker is protected far more than josh allen. Allen had 0 running game baker has a better OL , TE , and RB ,WR are a tie.
Could baker carry the team like josh allen did i dont think so. The problem with baker everything has to be right for it to work he isn't overcoming anything. if you have to pay him 250-300 Mil. He is going to have to overcome some personnel issues moving forward. can he ? idk
Well, Baker and the offense had the number 16 defense backing them up. Josh Allen and the Bill's offense had the #4 defense backing them up. They both got to the playoffs, and that is with OBJ hurt for the year. Baker has proven himself to be the real deal. He doesn't run like Mahomes or Allen, but they both have been injured running, too.
Well, Baker and the offense had the number 16 defense backing them up. Josh Allen and the Bill's offense had the #4 defense backing them up. They both got to the playoffs, and that is with OBJ hurt for the year. Baker has proven himself to be the real deal. He doesn't run like Mahomes or Allen, but they both have been injured running, too.
Then factually speaking.. One could make the case Baker Mayfield did more with less..
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