Baker Mayfield
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Zombo said:
He threw the ball 67 yards in the air and it landed right where he wanted it to. That seems to check deep
and accurate .
When Aaron Rodgers does it, the whole league blushes and gushes.
When Baker does it with one wing, his own fans call it "accudental".
1) Am I in the twilight zone?
You fuckers deserve another 20 years in the desert looking for a qb.
Z
Was that a great play? Sure- it made #1 on Sports Centers "top 10 plays of the day". However, you're indeed living in the Twilight Zone, if you think that 67 yard Hail Mary was anything more than pure luck. He threw it into a crowd of seven (count 'em) SEVEN players and DPJ managed to outjump everyone else. Baker has decent arm strength (I'm betting at least 90% of NFL QBs can toss the ball 65 yards in the air) but it's not elite. Face it Z- Baker threw that ball as hard as he possibly could, with a full wind up. An elite arm belongs to a guy named (take a bow Cal) Josh Allen, who can toss the ball 50 yards without putting much effort into it. Don't forget I thoroughly scouted Josh, and there's reports when he was at Wyoming- players saw him throw it 90 yards in the air. (At his pro day, he declined to try and impress scouts to go for a 100 yard toss)
Geeze, Mr. President of the Baker Mayfield Fan Club- I'm very happy that we do have Baker. But that guy over on NFL.com didn't even rank Baker in his QB listing- because of that pesky shoulder injury that you think is just a little bruise. Vapor has it right- stick your head in the sand if you must, but post injury Mayfield's accuracy on 20+ yard throws has gone to hell. Some of the "experts" have pointed out- when you have to throw the ball with effort- the rest of your upper body- meaning your off shoulder- does indeed come into play.
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Zombo said:
Baker has elite arm strength. It's well known. It's his calling card. Case is a nice gritty QB, but his deep ball leaves a lot to be desired, as seen last week.
How we drafted this QB and you have watched him for 3 and a half years and you don't respect his top notch arm is beyond me.
Z
Bull shit. I'd hate to have to post expert info that you're dreaming. You totally ignored what I just posted. Go back to your Twilight Zone- President of the Baker Fan Club. Shit- and hell's bells.. Joe Burrow has an equal arm. Lamar Jackson has an equal arm. A young Ben R? even better. I can go right down the list Z. I will bet the ranch and then some- even an uninjured Baker can't possibly launch a 90+ yard pass like Josh Allen can. FYI- that's elite, and you can kiss my ever lovin' ass if you think differently. The old measure was 9+ on a ten scale- (starting with John Elway) and Baker isn't even close. You've degenerated into the blatant rose colored glasses of homerism....
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PS- uh huh- Dak has common sense that Baker lacks... https://www.nfl.com/news/dak-prescott-unsure-if-he-ll-play-sunday-i-don-t-want-this-to-linger-past-this-w
Baker is practicing? Great... So why don't you turn your attention to that overpaid pussy Jadvedon Clowneny who's lately collecting a paycheck for doing nothing?
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Zombo said:
You guys are way overly dramatic about this injury.
And his downfield accuracy is gone?? When? Where?
Last time I saw him play he threw the longest pass of the year in the NFL which hit People's Jones in the numbers in the end zone 67 yards away.
Z
Sorry, you're being as stubborn as Baker poo-poohing how serious of an injury this is. I'm thinking Vapor posted a pretty good take on the situation. Yeah, I read the transcript of his interview from yesterday. Get it through your thick head, if this was his right shoulder he'd already be on IR for months, if not the rest of the year.
Looking comfortable in practice, and in a game after Watt or Heyward whack him a few times are two completely different animals. Just realize Mr. Sunshine every time that shoulder pops out the damage gets worse. Like the possibility it could turn into a complete humeral head fracture or a torn rotator cuff. One more, and I'm betting the Docs will shut him down.
Regarding the 65 yarder to DPJ? Please. 1) Baker took a 5 yard running start 2) threw it as hard as he could 3) that it came down to DPJ was purely accidental 4) no accuracy involved. It's why they're called Hail Mary plays. Um, let Josh Allen have the same circumstances, he could easily have thrown it into the 10th row of the Dawg Pound.
So, if Baker gets the call Sunday, I hope he plays lights out. But MHO is- you're playing with fire Baker, and eventually you're going to get burned. The odds of you going through another 10 games without taking another serious shot to that shoulder are zero. "Put me in Coach, I'm ready to play."
Sorry, you're being as stubborn as Baker poo-poohing how serious of an injury this is. I'm thinking Vapor posted a pretty good take on the situation. Yeah, I read the transcript of his interview from yesterday. Get it through your thick head, if this was his right shoulder he'd already be on IR for months, if not the rest of the year.
Looking comfortable in practice, and in a game after Watt or Heyward whack him a few times are two completely different animals. Just realize Mr. Sunshine every time that shoulder pops out the damage gets worse. Like the possibility it could turn into a complete humeral head fracture or a torn rotator cuff. One more, and I'm betting the Docs will shut him down.
Regarding the 65 yarder to DPJ? Please. 1) Baker took a 5 yard running start 2) threw it as hard as he could 3) that it came down to DPJ was purely accidental 4) no accuracy involved. It's why they're called Hail Mary plays. Um, let Josh Allen have the same circumstances, he could easily have thrown it into the 10th row of the Dawg Pound.
So, if Baker gets the call Sunday, I hope he plays lights out. But MHO is- you're playing with fire Baker, and eventually you're going to get burned. The odds of you going through another 10 games without taking another serious shot to that shoulder are zero. "Put me in Coach, I'm ready to play."
Comparing his left arm injury to his right arm isn't a comparison.
My feeling is the guy should sit another game, but if the medical teams gives the OK and the coach says he looks fine in practice, play him. I'd also add that Stefanski can't be afraid to pull him if it isn't working, and i am not talking about late in the 4th qtr. Do it in the 1st qtr if need be.
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It amazes me that a sector of you have talked yourselves in to thinking Baker Mayfield has turned into Brian Hoyer and ya'll know it just isnt so.. Ya'll know when bake is healthy he can ball his ass off... and thats what I expect he'll do given the opportunity... Right now.. I support the guy under center.. Just win... Go Browns!
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
PS- uh huh- Dak has common sense that Baker lacks... https://www.nfl.com/news/dak-prescott-unsure-if-he-ll-play-sunday-i-don-t-want-this-to-linger-past-this-w
Baker is practicing? Great... So why don't you turn your attention to that overpaid pussy Jadvedon Clowneny who's lately collecting a paycheck for doing nothing?
PS- uh huh- Dak has common sense that Baker lacks... https://www.nfl.com/news/dak-prescott-unsure-if-he-ll-play-sunday-i-don-t-want-this-to-linger-past-this-w
Baker is practicing? Great... So why don't you turn your attention to that overpaid pussy Jadvedon Clowneny who's lately collecting a paycheck for doing nothing?
I encourage you strongly to read this: https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2021/10/27/browns-three-pass-rushers-have-excelled-at-getting-pressure/
To think Clowney isn't playing well above his $8 million deal because of sack total is just..not informed. I'm pretty sure you were part of the people banging the drum for Watt (don't flame me if you weren't) and we see where the lead, again. I'm sorry, but to say he's "doing nothing" is just a bad take.
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Clowney is having a pretty damn good year and his pressure rate has been well above average. He's not the player anyone should be using for a counter-argument right now.
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Clowney is having a pretty damn good year and his pressure rate has been well above average. He's not the player anyone should be using for a counter-argument right now.
Clowney is having a pretty damn good year and his pressure rate has been well above average. He's not the player anyone should be using for a counter-argument right now.
All ya gotta do is right the word "Baker" in a post and Hoorta loses his damn mind. Just scroll up and read some of his posts... It's pretty funny.
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Clowney is having a pretty damn good year and his pressure rate has been well above average. He's not the player anyone should be using for a counter-argument right now.
All ya gotta do is right the word "Baker" in a post and Hoorta loses his damn mind. Just scroll up and read some of his posts... It's pretty funny.
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Clowney is having a pretty damn good year and his pressure rate has been well above average. He's not the player anyone should be using for a counter-argument right now.
Clowney is having a pretty damn good year and his pressure rate has been well above average. He's not the player anyone should be using for a counter-argument right now.
I was the biggest anti-Clowney guy on this board and have thought he's played very well.
But one of the reasons I wasn't a fan of his signing - his injury history - looks like it could be a problem for him again.
Hence, why I didn't want the Browns to depend on him. We'll see.
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Zombo said:
Baker is starting ... Let's Go!!!
Z
Great! Wonderful! Don't get yourself hurt any worse.
Great! Wonderful! Don't get yourself hurt any worse.
This is why doctors want to ensure that *he has the ability to “adequately protect himself”* before clearing him to play again.
* While Mayfield can navigate oncoming danger when he sees it coming, and run out of bounds or slide to avoid contact, the greater concern is with him getting hit from behind; in those instances he is naturally going to be using both arms and shoulders to brace himself, which opens him up to vulnerable situations which the harness alone cannot mitigate.
No one wants to see Mayfield injured even worse than he is, and we know he wants to play ASAP so it is good the doctors will be ensuring he can protect himself from further injury before giving him the green light to play.*
Believers of any of this? Shoulder Radius Tested better than week ago ?
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At this point I gotta wonder why you bother paying 7 million to a back up QB when you decide to start the other guy who has a broken freaking shoulder.
If Baker actually walks out of the tunnel and starts the game, Big Kev can't think to much of Case.
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At this point I gotta wonder why you bother paying 7 million to a back up QB when you decide to start the other guy who has a broken freaking shoulder.
If Baker actually walks out of the tunnel and starts the game, Big Kev can't think to much of Case.
At this point I gotta wonder why you bother paying 7 million to a back up QB when you decide to start the other guy who has a broken freaking shoulder.
If Baker actually walks out of the tunnel and starts the game, Big Kev can't think to much of Case.
I'm all for sitting Baker and getting him healthy... However... It's times like this that if Baker pulls it off... it becomes the stuff of legend.. Otherwise... it becomes another futile browns folly... However.. I'm one for a positive outcome this time around... Time for the Browns to do some bitch slapping this weekend... GO BROWNS!!!
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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One good hit and he's out for the season.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
At this point I gotta wonder why you bother paying 7 million to a back up QB when you decide to start the other guy who has a broken freaking shoulder.
If Baker actually walks out of the tunnel and starts the game, Big Kev can't think to much of Case.
At this point I gotta wonder why you bother paying 7 million to a back up QB when you decide to start the other guy who has a broken freaking shoulder.
If Baker actually walks out of the tunnel and starts the game, Big Kev can't think to much of Case.
I hate to say it, but my hopes of a long playoff run have diminished greatly.
It isn't going to happen with a hobbled Baker or a healthy Case Keenum - and Baker isn't getting healthy until the offseason.
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At this point I gotta wonder why you bother paying 7 million to a back up QB when you decide to start the other guy who has a broken freaking shoulder.
If Baker actually walks out of the tunnel and starts the game, Big Kev can't think to much of Case.
I'm all for sitting Baker and getting him healthy... However... It's times like this that if Baker pulls it off... it becomes the stuff of legend.. Otherwise... it becomes another futile browns folly... However.. I'm one for a positive outcome this time around... Time for the Browns to do some bitch slapping this weekend... GO BROWNS!!!
I'm all for sitting Baker and getting him healthy... However... It's times like this that if Baker pulls it off... it becomes the stuff of legend.. Otherwise... it becomes another futile browns folly... However.. I'm one for a positive outcome this time around... Time for the Browns to do some bitch slapping this weekend... GO BROWNS!!!
Get it done!
I gotta believe Kev doesn't think he can beat the Steelers with Case so he's gotta roll the dice. Looking like he will have to do it with the Bengals too. But WTF... Probably don't make the playoffs with Case starting multi games anyway, so if he does get hurt and goes on IR your in the same boat anyway...
Bake better have taken notes on how to throw the ball away when the play isn't there.
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I'm all for sitting Baker and getting him healthy... However... It's times like this that if Baker pulls it off... it becomes the stuff of legend.. Otherwise... it becomes another futile browns folly... However.. I'm one for a positive outcome this time around... Time for the Browns to do some bitch slapping this weekend... GO BROWNS!!!
Get it done!
I gotta believe Kev doesn't think he can beat the Steelers with Case so he's gotta roll the dice. Looking like he will have to do it with the Bengals too. But WTF... Probably don't make the playoffs with Case starting multi games anyway, so if he does get hurt and goes on IR your in the same boat anyway...
Bake better have taken notes on how to throw the ball away when the play isn't there.
Get it done!
I gotta believe Kev doesn't think he can beat the Steelers with Case so he's gotta roll the dice. Looking like he will have to do it with the Bengals too. But WTF... Probably don't make the playoffs with Case starting multi games anyway, so if he does get hurt and goes on IR your in the same boat anyway...
Bake better have taken notes on how to throw the ball away when the play isn't there.
The short attention spans are forgetting Keenum went 11-3 with the Vikings five years ago, and took them to the playoffs. He's not exactly a stiff.
MHO is Baker shouldn't be out there this Sunday. In my mountaineering parlance- you don't fall into a crevasse that you can see. I'm not worried he'll throw the ball away when he senses pressure.... It's the whack that he doesn't see coming that will knock him out of the game...
Let's Go 6 !
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