This is ALL Stefanski's Fault. The Offense is what it is because of HIM
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Higher rate.. of Stef calling, a high percentage Analytics red-zone play calling..Like it or Not? It's what got him here & beat in San Fran... Most windows get squeezed, including's body spacing of red-zone sidelines...
tighter packed, defensive whiskeys, packed in the Offenses jar'Oh ..
we get no Ref'ing luck on rubs nor OPI's calls either... ill-formations have got to quit.. it's a pro league
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I think there's a give and take with coach's offensive philosophy, and there is at least SOME validity to the poster's point. I asked a Browns podcast personality yesterday if Stefanski's severely anti-interception views are hurting Baker's ability to make big time throws. It's difficult to really know, but here's what I can tell you.
Baker almost never throws the ball into the end zone. Don't believe me? Go back to all of our games and count the number of times Baker takes a shot at paydirt. He has multiple games this season with ZERO attempts. ZERO. We are not aggressively trying to score in the passing game and that's got to get figured out.
Now, the flip side to that is we don't turn it over in the red zone UNLESS we turn it over on downs, which is fast becoming our go-to move. One of the reasons we are turning it over on downs is because we aren't GETTING IT TO THE EFFING END ZONE. I trust coach to make it happen, and that TD to Stanton is a terrific example.
We aren't letting Njoku jump for it, we aren't getting OBJ opportunities from red zone extended, and we aren't attacking the middle of the field enough. When is the last time Harrison Bryant got an opportunity? Where is the bootleg to Landry? Why do our 4th downs suddenly suck and our empty formation plays aren't working? Why isn't Scarlett Johansson in my bedroom wearing nothing but a Bernie Kosar jersey and holding a feather, some lube, and a giant bag of gummi bears?
To be totally fair, we've had some scoring opportunities that we simply missed. Baker had horrible misses in the Vikings game, and if you watch film break down videos, you've seen multiple other times throughout the season where Baker had his eyes in the wrong place, ran out of time, or just refused to fire it down field. The refusing is what concerns me the most. He's not trusting his ability like he used to, and this injury certainly won't help.
No QB makes every throw and every perfect read. For example, do you guys remember that Njoku throw Keenum had last week where he lofted it perfectly while Njoku was double-covered? Well, that play began with a fake orbit motion handoff to Felton and he then kept running around the end without the ball into the flat. Absolutely NO defender went with Felton and had Keenum looked to the right and thrown it to Felton, at MINIMUM its a 30 yard gain, possibly a 60 yard TD.
So I don't know what the answer is, but the data definitely shows we have a reticence to throwing it in the end zone and we just aren't throwing enough TD passes. We've got to take some shots, if nothing else to keep the defense honest and maybe get some pass interference calls like always happen to us. Also, quit throwing it to effing Schwartz. He's not ready yet and ALWAYS quits on his route.
LFG!
Why isn't Scarlett Johansson in my bedroom wearing nothing but a Bernie Kosar jersey and holding a feather, some lube, and a giant bag of gummi bears?
Thank you for this thread Soju, as without it, I wouldn't have this tattooed to my frontal lobe.
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There is some merit to this. It was said when Baker came in the league he was better on the move and it seems he has been throwing more in the pocket. We also have a wealth of talent on this team and we don't seem to get them involved. Guys like DPJ, Felton, and Harrison Bryant, all need more snaps. Is it me, or has Hooper's touches gone down too?
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I suppose several of you are not factoring in injuries and staffing on field. It’s kind of like criticizing a race car for not running at top speed when it’s going on 3 tires and 6/8 cylinders. When Baker is healthy with a healthy line if we don’t take shots perhaps I’ll listen.
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I think it’s fair to be critical of the team this year. It’s kind of been a mess. We are 4-3 but it’s not a strong 4-3. We win ugly. That’s how Stefanski rolls. No style points. Not many big plays. And the defense is Jekyll and Hyde.
before the year started, by week 8, I would figure the browns could’ve proven by now they are the best roster in the AFCN.
it hasn’t happened. It is what it is.
I really wish baker wouldn’t of tried to attempt that stupid tackle during the Houston game. I was there and there were so many times when I’m yelling at baker “what are you doing”. He seems to play hot and cold and I expect nothing less this Sunday Vs Pittsburgh.
please protect baker this Sunday Kevin. Please. No 7 step drops please
the browns are going to have to adjust. their passing game is made for big plays and was last year. Teams have adjusted having 2 deep safety's and giving up a bit in the run game. the browns will need to adjust to get some intermediate passes because the defenses have tried to take away deep passes and short passes while giving up a little in the run game because it is making the browns have long drives and less points scored overall.
the browns have long drives and less points scored overall.
A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
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This week is the first time since q3 of game 1 that the 5 OL starters have been healthy.
That's surely had no effect - since we're all in agreement that OL play is entirely meaningless!
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Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
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Soooooo.... it is really RollerCam?
I'm sorry, Soju...
I thought we were 4-3 (as in over .500) and in the thick of a 2nd half playoff race. And how'd we get there? Run to set up the Pass.. and the PAP in particular. THAT is the exact style for which this which this team was assembled. It's the style I love to be sure, but also the one I see endangered by the RPO-future of the league. (Pretty sure I wrote about this...
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In my alternative future... what is the one thing that can defeat the RPO? BALL CONTROL...
Stef's roster is simply not capable of Pin-balling a scoreboard with the likes of Mahomes' Chiefs or Jackson's Ravens. That is the truth.. so for now we have to grind out long drives, eat clock and stave their TOP to compete.
If we want to play pinball, too, then it'll be another couple years to turn the roster around. How's that wait sound, Chief?
Lastly... How can you say "ALL" when last I looked KF is not leading our drafts or FA signings.
Wanna make a splash... stick to the kiddie pool.
Wanna dish with the adults, listen more... assert less.
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the browns have long drives and less points scored overall.
A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
the browns under stefanski have never really been able to pass when the other team knows its pass. that is not how the offense is designed. its a front running offense with a playaction passing game.
that doesnt work when its under 2 min and the other team knows you are throwing.
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Baker isn't doing ANYTHING in this conservative dink and dunk offense Stefanski has installed.
He ruined WR Stefon Diggs in Minnesota until he left for Buffalo to become a pro bowl-type receiver. He is ruining OBJ now. The guy just doesn't like the pass game. He has installed this 1991 archaic offense of running the ball constantly instead of the upgraded 2021 passing attack of today's NFL.
Look at baker when we spread the offense and let him throw indiscriminately. He balls out. Stefanski in Minnesota made Kirk Cousins regress (now Cousins is doing better without him), and now Baker--not to mention the WRs. OPEN UP AND SPREAD THE OFFENSE AND GUN SLING -- THAT'S HOW YOU SET UP BAKER TO WIN. Otherwise Baker should leave, because Stefanski is killing his value.
Baker isn't doing ANYTHING in this conservative dink and dunk offense Stefanski has installed.
He ruined WR Stefon Diggs in Minnesota until he left for Buffalo to become a pro bowl-type receiver. He is ruining OBJ now. The guy just doesn't like the pass game. He has installed this 1991 archaic offense of running the ball constantly instead of the upgraded 2021 passing attack of today's NFL.
Look at baker when we spread the offense and let him throw indiscriminately. He balls out. Stefanski in Minnesota made Kirk Cousins regress (now Cousins is doing better without him), and now Baker--not to mention the WRs. OPEN UP AND SPREAD THE OFFENSE AND GUN SLING -- THAT'S HOW YOU SET UP BAKER TO WIN. Otherwise Baker should leave, because Stefanski is killing his value.
In 2019 when Stefanski was coordinator for the Vikings Diggs caught 63 balls for 1130 yards with 6 TD’s in 15 games. His YPC was 17.9 which is the highest in his career by a large margin. I’m Buffalo first 2 seasons his YPC was 12.1 and 12.5.
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A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
the browns under stefanski have never really been able to pass when the other team knows its pass. that is not how the offense is designed. its a front running offense with a playaction passing game.
that doesnt work when its under 2 min and the other team knows you are throwing.
the browns under stefanski have never really been able to pass when the other team knows its pass. that is not how the offense is designed. its a front running offense with a playaction passing game.
that doesnt work when its under 2 min and the other team knows you are throwing.
This is a valid critique of Stefanski's offense and of Baker Mayfield.
Then again, it is also a valid critique of Baltimore's offense and Lamar Jackson.
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I wish the coach would take note and understand that 3 points is better than no points. How many times did we go for it on 4th down deep inside the Opp territory only to get sacked? How many times? It is more than a few. This is not the game to be doing any of that kind of shit here and no "cute" end around plays either but also have we even thrown any deep passes this season? This is week 8 and we have a total of 3 td passes to wr, (not counting TE or RB. We need to step up our game or we wont even sniff the post season.
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Zombo said:
I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.
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i think the clowns are in an alternate universe.....what a shitasss performance today........they got the shit beat out of them by the stoolers....particularly on the ol....score was close but it was no indication as to what took place on the field today.....hey how bout odelli beckham....another odelli typical day....1 catch for 5 yds.....pfffffffft heheheheeee....
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I wish the coach would take note and understand that 3 points is better than no points. How many times did we go for it on 4th down deep inside the Opp territory only to get sacked? How many times? It is more than a few. This is not the game to be doing any of that kind of shit here and no "cute" end around plays either but also have we even thrown any deep passes this season? This is week 8 and we have a total of 3 td passes to wr, (not counting TE or RB. We need to step up our game or we wont even sniff the post season.
I wish the coach would take note and understand that 3 points is better than no points. How many times did we go for it on 4th down deep inside the Opp territory only to get sacked? How many times? It is more than a few. This is not the game to be doing any of that kind of shit here and no "cute" end around plays either but also have we even thrown any deep passes this season? This is week 8 and we have a total of 3 td passes to wr, (not counting TE or RB. We need to step up our game or we wont even sniff the post season.
playoffs.....playoffs.....what.....playoffs......
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Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
the steelers put a hurtin on our ol....they stuffed the run.....and we don't have really good receivers as the stats will tell you that.....we have wideouts that fumble the ball...landry.....we have wideouts that are slow....higgins.....what happened to schwartz....oh yeah...and good ole odelli belchham....a good ole typical day for him...1 catch for 5 yds...oh wait...we only acquired him to stretch the field as per some board members say.....how's that workin out......yeah....we need him on he field to strech out the d......hmmmmm....and the d....do we have any interceptions this yr....by anyone....i guess its a race to the finish line with td receptions by our wr's and int's by our d...for last place....aye yi yi....
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the browns have long drives and less points scored overall.
A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
doesn't seem like that is happening....
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I suppose several of you are not factoring in injuries and staffing on field. It’s kind of like criticizing a race car for not running at top speed when it’s going on 3 tires and 6/8 cylinders. When Baker is healthy with a healthy line if we don’t take shots perhaps I’ll listen.
I suppose several of you are not factoring in injuries and staffing on field. It’s kind of like criticizing a race car for not running at top speed when it’s going on 3 tires and 6/8 cylinders. When Baker is healthy with a healthy line if we don’t take shots perhaps I’ll listen.
No shots.. Nothing explosive. Pathetic.
We're pathetic. Other than the Stanton TD last week, can anyone remember the last time we even threw a ball into the end zone? Cause that's where you score points I've been told.
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Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
the steelers put a hurtin on our ol....they stuffed the run.....and we don't have really good receivers as the stats will tell you that.....we have wideouts that fumble the ball...landry.....we have wideouts that are slow....higgins.....what happened to schwartz....oh yeah...and good ole odelli belchham....a good ole typical day for him...1 catch for 5 yds...oh wait...we only acquired him to stretch the field as per some board members say.....how's that workin out......yeah....we need him on he field to strech out the d......hmmmmm....and the d....do we have any interceptions this yr....by anyone....i guess its a race to the finish line with td receptions by our wr's and int's by our d...for last place....aye yi yi....
the steelers put a hurtin on our ol....they stuffed the run.....and we don't have really good receivers as the stats will tell you that.....we have wideouts that fumble the ball...landry.....we have wideouts that are slow....higgins.....what happened to schwartz....oh yeah...and good ole odelli belchham....a good ole typical day for him...1 catch for 5 yds...oh wait...we only acquired him to stretch the field as per some board members say.....how's that workin out......yeah....we need him on he field to strech out the d......hmmmmm....and the d....do we have any interceptions this yr....by anyone....i guess its a race to the finish line with td receptions by our wr's and int's by our d...for last place....aye yi yi....
Coulda, shoudla had one today. Forgot which DB it was but Bens pass hit him right in the hands.
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