M-Odell to the Rams

tiamat63 · His reception totals each year of college were 41/43/59.. not magical.

@unsympathetic said:

I don't. What if the NYG couple of years was a sincere aberration - wouldn't be the first with "physical gifts" to not be able to play the team sport of football.

His reception totals each year of college were 41/43/59.. not magical.

Stats without context are awful. Off the top of my head Odell played on an offensively limited LSU team with terrible coaches (Miles) who couldn't develop or properly deploy their players and struggled to win games where they didn't outclass in talent. You can go as far back as Oklahoma state to find evidence of that with Les Miles. He's an average coach who is an above average recruiter. That means you take quality players and put them under a glass ceiling looking up at their potential.

Those LSU squads were LOADED and only found a way to get shutout in a title game then follow up with back to back 3 loss seasons despite having...

Zach Mettinberger, Jeremy Hill, Alfred Blue, Spencer Ware, OBJ, Juice, La'el Collins, Trai Turner... on offense alone.

For another fun episode of stats without context, here are Michael Thomas' reception totals on run first offenses with up-and-down QB play...

2012	Ohio State	11	3	22	7.3	11	0
2014	Ohio State	15	54	799	14.8	79	9
2015	Ohio State	13	56	781	13.9	50	9

That's 3x Pro bowl, 2x all pro Michael Thomas.

I don't believe those NYG years were an aberration.

Dutch Oven

I don't think those fantastic seasons early in his career were an aberration either.

And I don't think his injury-riddled seasons that have followed were an aberration either.

He just turned 29. His gas needle is pointing down.

calfoxwc

obj has obviously been a high talent wr. Of course he has. But he has to be a star, center of attention or sulks.

He has been an excellent receiver, sure. But, once he made his brand and became a star, he only played in 4 games in 2017 with the Giants. He became a star with the Browns, in 2019, playing in 16 games. Then only played in 7 games in 2020.

He has been a high talent pain in the ass to the Giants more and more. He became just that with the Browns.

Now he wants to go to a contender. ah. It's all about HIM. no team player.

Speaking of stats: obj has only scored ONE TD his entire pro career?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odell_Beckham_Jr.

REGULAR SEASON

Year	Team	Games	Receiving	Rushing	Fumbles
GP	GS	Rec	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Fum	Lost
2014	NYG	12	11	91	1,305	14.3	80	12	7	35	5.0	13	0	1	1
2015	NYG	15	15	96	1,450	15.1	87	13	1	3	3.0	3	0	2	0
2016	NYG	16	16	101	1,367	13.5	75	10	1	9	9.0	9	0	3	1
2017	NYG	4	2	25	302	12.1	48	3	1	8	8.0	8	0	0	0
2018	NYG	12	12	77	1,052	13.7	51	6	5	19	3.8	11	0	2	1
2019	CLE	16	15	74	1,035	14.0	89	4	3	10	3.3	11	0	1	1
2020	CLE	7	7	23	319	13.9	43	3	3	72	24.0	50	1	0	0
2021	CLE	6	6	17	232	13.6	26	0	2	14	7.0	10	0	0	0
Total	88	84	504	7,062	14.0	89	51	23	170	7.4	50	1	9	4

Postseason

Year	Team	Games	Receiving	Rushing	Fumbles
GP	GS	Rec	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Fum	Lost
2016	NYG	1	1	4	28	7.0	11	0	—	—	—	—	—	0	0
2020	CLE	0	0	Did not play due to injury
Total	1	1	4	28	7.0	11	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0	0

Source:^[160]

tiamat63

@calfoxwc said:

obj has obviously been a high talent wr. Of course he has. But he has to be a star, center of attention or sulks.

He has been an excellent receiver, sure. But, once he made his brand and became a star, he only played in 4 games in 2017 with the Giants. He became a star with the Browns, in 2019, playing in 16 games. Then only played in 7 games in 2020.

He has been a high talent pain in the ass to the Giants more and more. He became just that with the Browns.

Now he wants to go to a contender. ah. It's all about HIM. no team player.

Speaking of stats: obj has only scored ONE TD his entire pro career?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odell_Beckham_Jr.

REGULAR SEASON

Year Team Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles
GP GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD Fum Lost
2014 NYG 12 11 91 1,305 14.3 80 12 7 35 5.0 13 0 1 1
2015 NYG 15 15 96 1,450 15.1 87 13 1 3 3.0 3 0 2 0
2016 NYG 16 16 101 1,367 13.5 75 10 1 9 9.0 9 0 3 1
2017 NYG 4 2 25 302 12.1 48 3 1 8 8.0 8 0 0 0
2018 NYG 12 12 77 1,052 13.7 51 6 5 19 3.8 11 0 2 1
2019 CLE 16 15 74 1,035 14.0 89 4 3 10 3.3 11 0 1 1
2020 CLE 7 7 23 319 13.9 43 3 3 72 24.0 50 1 0 0
2021 CLE 6 6 17 232 13.6 26 0 2 14 7.0 10 0 0 0
Total 88 84 504 7,062 14.0 89 51 23 170 7.4 50 1 9 4
Postseason

Year Team Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles
GP GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD Fum Lost
2016 NYG 1 1 4 28 7.0 11 0 — — — — — 0 0
2020 CLE 0 0 Did not play due to injury
Total 1 1 4 28 7.0 11 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Source:^[160]

You copied and pasted it wrong or used a poor source with an edit - wiki. Because that same wiki page shows and edit this morning at 6:05 Odd.

This page was last edited on 7 November 2021, at 06:05 (UTC).

Because he scored at least 10 TD's his rookie year. I know, he was on my fantasy squad.

calfoxwc

@tiamat63 said:

You copied and pasted it wrong or used a poor source with an edit - wiki. Because that same wiki page shows and edit this morning at 6:05 Odd.

This page was last edited on 7 November 2021, at 06:05 (UTC).

Because he scored at least 10 TD's his rookie year. I know, he was on my fantasy squad.

Nope. lol. If you go follow the link, it's exact. I looked in the wrong freaking column. dammit. that was rushing TD's. dammit. My breakfast is distracting me.

dammit.

Canton Dawg

I asked myself this same question. . .

gumby73

@calfoxwc said:

Nope. lol. If you go follow the link, it's exact. I looked in the wrong freaking column. dammit. that was rushing TD's. dammit. My breakfast is distracting me.

dammit.

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29/40 games

114 catches/210 targets

1,586 receiving yards

96 rush yards

8 touchdowns

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9:41 AM · Nov 7, 2021

hoorta

@jiggins7919 said:

I have a feeling he's just fine. Imagine him playing with a guy like Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, or even Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying he'll go to those teams, just examples.

For the rest of this season, he's only going to a team with the cap room (or willing to create cap room) to sign him. Ugh!! The Ratbirds are one of those teams.

If I'm an NFL GM, I'm going to kick the tires first before I sign him to a long term deal.

Dutch Oven

@jiggins7919 said:

I have a feeling he's just fine. Imagine him playing with a guy like Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, or even Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying he'll go to those teams, just examples.

Do Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Matt Stafford, Q'aron Rodgers, or even Lamar Jackson have magic health dust that they are going to sprinkle all over OBJ's brittle body?

His proverbial gas tank is running empty. He's 29 going on 34 in football years. He might be able to pull a good game or two out of his ass, but he's on the backslide of his career.

gumby73

@hoorta said:

For the rest of this season, he's only going to a team with the cap room (or willing to create cap room) to sign him. Ugh!! The Ratbirds are one of those teams.

If I'm an NFL GM, I'm going to kick the tires first before I sign him to a long term deal.

i see (s)he, whining next for a veteran QB...Russ Wilson..Matt Stafford makes the most cents to me... A.Rodgers? GM cheap mond'ra keeps screaming at me... no!

the She'Hawks.. have the cap to not let this get past #9 on the waiver wire.... Rams make the most cents, if Jay get's his choice..has home in LA ..and a new ego to be right..

D Bone

@d-bone said:

I can't wait to read the forum next week after the offense explodes this Sunday and the Browns right the ship with Baker's best game of the season.

I hated the trade the second I saw it on the TV in Chili's (ruining a great dinner) and never liked the dude for a single second while he was taking up space on the roster... Finally some good freakin' news about the Browns for once.

^ Just because I can, but more importantly, because I want to.

The contagious disease has been removed, and the Browns are instantly better for it..... Ship righted and they just need to keep it there until they finally get heathy..... Go Baker, er, Go Browns!!

5150k9

@d-bone said:

I can't wait to read the forum next week after the offense explodes this Sunday and the Browns right the ship with Baker's best game of the season.

I hated the trade the second I saw it on the TV in Chili's (ruining a great dinner) and never liked the dude for a single second while he was taking up space on the roster... Finally some good freakin' news about the Browns for once.

Wow! talk about getting it right. Nice Job!

jcam222

@vaportrail said:

What a failure of a leader Stefanski has been through this. He had the opportunity to prevent this by shutting down Baker when he got hurt instead of acquiescing to Baker's delusion that he could play.

Played just fine with All about Odell off the field. If you think OBJ’s pouting just started while Baker was injured you have your head in the sand (or somewhere)

nickers

@jcam222 said:

Played just fine with All about Odell off the field. If you think OBJ’s pouting just started while Baker was injured you have your head in the sand (or somewhere)

All the Baker haters went on vacay until the next loss....

Unsympathetic

I thought this was the case but couldn't verify -- Now it's getting more publicity

OBJ indeed was "open" because he didn't do what the play told him to do. Baker didn't throw to him because... when you practice a play you expect a guy to be chopping his feet and cutting at the prescribed 15-yard dig, not running a skinny post because he felt like it.

Browns149

@unsympathetic said:

I thought this was the case but couldn't verify -- Now it's getting more publicity

OBJ indeed was open because he didn't do what the play told him to do. Baker didn't throw to him because... when you practice a play you expect a guy to be chopping his feet and cutting at the prescribed 15-yard dig, not running a skinny post because he felt like it.

It’s easy to be open when you are not where you are supposed to be

Browns149

@d-bone said:

I can't wait to read the forum next week after the offense explodes this Sunday and the Browns right the ship with Baker's best game of the season.

I hated the trade the second I saw it on the TV in Chili's (ruining a great dinner) and never liked the dude for a single second while he was taking up space on the roster... Finally some good freakin' news about the Browns for once.

A “Great dinner” at Chili’s?
That could ruin your credibility ?

D Bone

@browns149 said:

A “Great dinner” at Chili’s?
That could ruin your credibility ?

It all begins and ends at the chips and salsa!

Dutch Oven

@browns149 said:

It’s easy to be open when you are not where you are supposed to be

That doesn't make sense though.

The defenders who are covering OBJ have no idea where he's supposed to be. They just cover him where ever he goes.

Now, it is easy to understand why Baker would "miss" OBJ when he was open, considering he was probably nowhere near where he was supposed to be.

Flugel

@unsympathetic said:

I thought this was the case but couldn't verify -- Now it's getting more publicity

OBJ indeed was "open" because he didn't do what the play told him to do. Baker didn't throw to him because... when you practice a play you expect a guy to be chopping his feet and cutting at the prescribed 15-yard dig, not running a skinny post because he felt like it.

Thanks! There's been a lot things that have changed since his brief prime with the Giants except getting injured. Sometimes he doesn't look for the ball as if Baker minus both starting tackles (or with them) had all the time in the world to wait til he's ready. Sometimes he's more gun-shy in traffic than many of his buddies in the national media want to give him credit for. That's prolly due to some of the mental part/scar tissue from previous injuries like that brutal ankle injury with the Giants for post-catch contact. Also, while we're aware he can make 1 handed grabs in practice and warm-ups - how about just catching the damn thing with 2 hands. And then there were times Baker didn't get it to him the way he got it to DPJ for whatever reasons fit the situation.

That sucked that it never worked out; but I'm glad this team was focused now that there's a solution pleasing all parties.