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  • Everyone is so sure of the Science…. Please.

    18 months of human experiments is your science and it’s been wrong at every turn.  
    if it was science they would acknowledge natural immunity.

    All of a sudden the government cares about us and demands we take an experimental shot?

     I’m going to wait till all my options are gone and probaly move to a state with balls.

    if any exist then.  It’s just wrong and you all know it.

  • an unexpected windfall from unintended consequences 

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  • Don't tell me this is normal!
    33 year old pro dancer Santo Giuliano suffers heart attack 5 days after j @b
    32 year old Olympic Tennis player Joachim Gerard collapses during match with heart problems
    19 year old Football player Jalen Leavey dies at campus after the game
    23 year old Baseball player Daniel Brito suffers stroke during game
    19 year old Football player Tirrell Williams dies following on-field collapse
    21 year old Football player Okafor Kelechi dies during training
    29 year old Football player Lee Moses dies during training session
    15 year old Footballer Stephen Sylvester collapsed and dies during conditioning practice
    18 year old Football player Emmanual Antwi dies after collapsing on the field
    13 year old Football player Cajetan Chinoyelum Nsofor dies during practice
    15 year old Soccer player Moira Claire Arney died during practice
    Junior High School Baseball Pitcher Andrew Roseman died suddenly and unexpectedly, no further information given
    17 year old Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas died suddenly and unexpectedly, cause given by media, unclear
    17 year old Footballer Miquel Lugo collapsed and died during practice
    16 year old Football player Devon DuHart mysteriously died in July 2021
    16 year old Footballer Ivan Hicks dies of Cardiovascular Disease during Scrimmage
    19 year old Footballer Joe Bradshaw dies mysteriously off campus, not conclusion of death
    16 year old Football player Drake Geiger collapses and dies during game
    15 year old Football player Joshua Ivory collapses and dies during game
    19 year old Football player Quandarius Wilburn collapses during practice and later dies
    17 year old Football player Dimitri McKee passes out and dies after practice
    28 year old Rugby play Tevita Bryce collapses during game from heart attack
    29 year old Rugby player Dave Hyde collapses and dies after match
    27 year old Baseball player Yusuke Kinoshita collapses and dies during practice
    32 year old Champion Speed Skater Kjeld Nuis suffered Pericarditis after the j @b
    24 year old Olympic Cyclist Olivia Podmore dies suddenly and mysteriously in her room and during that week another athlete sprinter Cameron Burell also dies mysteriously
    23 year old China Olympics Champion Gilbert Kwemoi collapsed in his home and died on the way to hospital
    37-year-old former French professional footballer Franck Berrier dead
    Germany goalkeeping coach of SV Niederpöring suffers heart attack
    24 years Bordeaux pro Samuel Kalu suffers cardiac arrest
    25 years old Belgian soccer player Jente Van Genechten suffers cardiac arrest
    31 years old Fabrice N'Sakala Besiktas Istanbul collapses on the field
    29 years old Pedro Obiang Italian first division after j @b has myocarditis
    30 year old Venezuelan National Marathon Champion Alexaida Guedez dead
    29 years old José dos Reis (Luxembourg) collapses on the field and has to be resuscitated
    Germany C-League Dillenburg a player from Hirzenhain collapses, the game is canceled
    16 years old Diego Ferchaud from ASPTT Caen suffers a cardiac arrest
    Austria player of ASV Baden collapses on the field and has to be revived
    16-year-old unnamed football player in Bergamo suffers cardiac arrest
    27 years old Belgian amateur soccer player Jens De Smet dead
    13-year-old soccer player from the Janus Nova club collapses on the field with cardiac arrest
    17 year old soccer player Dylan Rich dies of a double heart attack during a game
    Player from Birati Club Münster suffers cardiac arrest
    24 years old Lucas Surek from BFC Chemie Leipzig suffers from myocarditis
    49 years old Ain / France: Frédéric Lartillot succumbs to a heart attack in locker room
    45 years old Andrea Astolfi, sporting director of Calcio Orsago dead with no previous illness
    22 years old Abou Ali collapses with cardiac arrest during a two-tier game in Denmark
    19 years old ice hockey player Sebastiaan Bos dead. Passed away suddenly and unexpectedly
    40 years old A half marathon runner collapsed during the race and died a little later
    Germany Anil Usta from VfB Schwelm breaks on the field with heart problems
    33 years old Dimitri Liénard from FC Strasbourg collapses with heart problems
    37 years old Ex-NFL professional Parys Haralson dies suddenly and unexpectedly
    25 years old Kingsley Coman from FC Bayern Munich, operation on the heart after an arrhythmia
    25 years old Canadian university football player Francis Perron dead shortly after a match
    19 year old FC Nantes soccer player suffers cardiac arrest during training
    Germany volleyball trainer Dirk Splisteser from SG Traktor Divitz collapses dead on the sidelines
    Austria, 64 years old former goalkeeper Ernst Scherr dead suddenly and unexpectedly
    Germany, 42 years old Alexander Siegfried dead suddenly and unexpectedly
    A 17-year-old athlete from Colverde collapses while training with cardiac arrest
  • All over the world, statistically, probably is.

  • The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. It mitigates the potential for dangerous side effects from contracting Covid. 
     

    Everyone in a room could be vaccinated, asymptomatic carriers who become the chemistry set that creates the next strand of Covid that chugs along infecting more people. The framing for wanting people to get it should be based around mitigating individual health side effects and not that it can stop the spread. The barn door is already open so that is over in terms of stopping that. 

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    yes because they either selectively chose to ignore the findings - leaving it up to individuals to think this through themselves

    (watching published data) 

    Apart from the fear porn perpetrated by the news media and government to keep alive the notion that this is a certain death sentence.

    It is not.

    Or they are plain stupid for not compiling crucial data the explains why we are not dying off in droves - that the survival rate is as such 

    One thing is certain - Covid 19.20, 21 etc will be in our lives (thanks fauci, wuhan lab- CCP ) 

    But the hope remains too - it is treatable and with great success without the use of untested vaccines... 

  • This will be an interesting game of chicken. The CMS mandate has teeth, whereas the OSHA mandate is IMO going to be outright overturned in court. I can tell you that there are multiple units in all 3 of the major hospitals in Cleveland that are short staffed right now - nursing and all other ancillary staff (kitchen, janitors, etc). You can make more at McDonalds flipping burgers than you can as a medical assistant shoveling shit out of patient beds. I suspect that my capacity to deliver inpatient care will be affected when Uncle Sam says the admins have to fire these people now or face massive fines.

  • This will be an interesting game of chicken. The CMS mandate has teeth, whereas the OSHA mandate is IMO going to be outright overturned in court. I can tell you that there are multiple units in all 3 of the major hospitals in Cleveland that are short staffed right now - nursing and all other ancillary staff (kitchen, janitors, etc). You can make more at McDonalds flipping burgers than you can as a medical assistant shoveling shit out of patient beds. I suspect that my capacity to deliver inpatient care will be affected when Uncle Sam says the admins have to fire these people now or face massive fines.

    @vaportrail said:

    This will be an interesting game of chicken. The CMS mandate has teeth, whereas the OSHA mandate is IMO going to be outright overturned in court. I can tell you that there are multiple units in all 3 of the major hospitals in Cleveland that are short staffed right now - nursing and all other ancillary staff (kitchen, janitors, etc). You can make more at McDonalds flipping burgers than you can as a medical assistant shoveling shit out of patient beds. I suspect that my capacity to deliver inpatient care will be affected when Uncle Sam says the admins have to fire these people now or face massive fines.

    These companies pressing for this will soon find that the labor pool is a step in that whole making profits process. Running off or canning a good deal of your work force is a great way to lose that extra yacht.

  • lawyer in high demand.

    one specializing in suing the government 

    soon to be wealthy AF.

  • The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. It mitigates the potential for dangerous side effects from contracting Covid. 
     

    Everyone in a room could be vaccinated, asymptomatic carriers who become the chemistry set that creates the next strand of Covid that chugs along infecting more people. The framing for wanting people to get it should be based around mitigating individual health side effects and not that it can stop the spread. The barn door is already open so that is over in terms of stopping that. 

    @logicisforsquares said:

    The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. It mitigates the potential for dangerous side effects from contracting Covid. 
     

    Everyone in a room could be vaccinated, asymptomatic carriers who become the chemistry set that creates the next strand of Covid that chugs along infecting more people. The framing for wanting people to get it should be based around mitigating individual health side effects and not that it can stop the spread. The barn door is already open so that is over in terms of stopping that. 

    My point all along. I say it's worth taking the vaccine just to keep you from getting as sick as you might when you do get it. There don't seem to be many people in the middle of this debate. Either the vaccine is going to kill us all or the covid is going to kill us all. Anecdotally I know quite a few people now who have had the vaccine and still got covid but in every case it's been reasonably mild. Ballpark of 4 days two or three of which sick enough to stay home. They still stayed home just because of transmission but you know what I mean.

    WSS

  • If they simply addressed the folks who have a natural immunity and a immunity from getting the virus all this would be a pittance.  
    instead they give zero science based evidence and faulty numbers and even more jacked up death tallies

    i say go fly a kite

  • If they simply addressed the folks who have a natural immunity and a immunity from getting the virus all this would be a pittance.  
    instead they give zero science based evidence and faulty numbers and even more jacked up death tallies

    i say go fly a kite

    @hammertime said:

    If they simply addressed the folks who have a natural immunity and a immunity from getting the virus all this would be a pittance.  
    instead they give zero science based evidence and faulty numbers and even more jacked up death tallies

    i say go fly a kite

    Bottom line who here trusts anything Joe Biden says or does?

    If you do get the jab if not don't...should be your CHOICE.

  • He would have died if he hadn't gotten the third dose.  This is just fear mongering nonsense.

  • He would have died if he hadn't gotten the third dose.  This is just fear mongering nonsense.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    He would have died if he hadn't gotten the third dose.  This is just fear mongering nonsense.

    Yeah lots of adults have received the third shot and they aren’t clogging the streets up with dead bodies.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    He would have died if he hadn't gotten the third dose.  This is just fear mongering nonsense.

    Yeah lots of adults have received the third shot and they aren’t clogging the streets up with dead bodies.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Yeah lots of adults have received the third shot and they aren’t clogging the streets up with dead bodies.

    so, we'll check with our family dr about the Phizer booster. Is there any kind of difference in the booster that makes it less safe than the vaccines we got?

    all the bogus nonsense is hurting a lot of people's understanding and decisions.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Yeah lots of adults have received the third shot and they aren’t clogging the streets up with dead bodies.

    so, we'll check with our family dr about the Phizer booster. Is there any kind of difference in the booster that makes it less safe than the vaccines we got?

    all the bogus nonsense is hurting a lot of people's understanding and decisions.

    @calfoxwc said:

    so, we'll check with our family dr about the Phizer booster. Is there any kind of difference in the booster that makes it less safe than the vaccines we got?

    all the bogus nonsense is hurting a lot of people's understanding and decisions.

    I don’t believe so but I would do some reading to see if it is worth it for you guys. I am younger and in good health so I may pass on the booster but I am still on the fence. I plan on a Germany and Ukraine trip in June and I am sure they will want me to have had it before allowing entry.

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