I have had my fill, and I am going to vent: That's MY QB!

[GuNNerGatSKi]

@calfoxwc said:

Tim Couch - the stupid coaches - the offensive line was toast. They played so bad, I was convinced they deliberately

let Couch get the absolute hell beaten out of him because they wanted the veteran whatshisname in there.

To go even further than just the QB misery Cal, and you touched on it, the COACHES!  HOLY SHIT!  Let's list them too for everyone in their sorry state of sadness over where our team is this year, battling insurmountable injuries at our most important position groups:

Chris Palmer
Term: 1999-2000
Record: 5-27

Chris Palmer was tasked with leading the Browns in their return to the NFL. He didn’t have any pro head coaching experience, and went 2-14 and 3-13  in two seasons. He went on to serve as offensive coordinator for the Houston Texas and Tennessee Titans. Most recently, Palmer was an offensive assistant under Rex Ryan for the Buffalo Bills until 2016.

A close up Head Coach Chris Palmer of the Cleveland Browns looking on during the Pre-Season game against the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin. The Packers defeated the Browns 34-33. (Mandatory Credit: Jonathan Daniel /Allsport via Getty)

Butch Davis
Term: 2001-2004
Record: 24-34

Butch Davis resigned after nearly four years with the Browns. He dealt with a quarterback controversy when he started backup Kelly Holcomb for an injured Tim Couch, then kept Holcomb in the starting role. Davis is the only coach on this list to lead the Browns in a playoff game. Cleveland lost in the 2002 Wild Card game to the Steelers, 33-36. He later returned to coaching at the collegiate level, at North Carolina and FIU.

Head coach Butch Davis of the Cleveland Browns yells during the game against the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium on November 28, 2004 in Cincinnati, Ohio. The Bengals defeated the Browns 58-48. (Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

Terry Robiskie
Term: 2004
Record: 1-5

Terry Robiskie started his NFL career as a running back. He was on the Raiders and Redskins coaching staffs, before becoming the Browns wide receivers coach, then offensive coordinator. The Browns named him interim head coach following Butch Davis’ departure. Robiskie interviewed to be the permanent head coach, but the Browns went with Romeo Crennel. Robiskie remained on the Browns staff until 2007. For the next several seasons, he was the wide receivers coach for the Atlanta Falcons, where he was credited with helping to develop Julio Jones and Roddy White. He spent this season as running backs coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Terry Robiskie, head coach of the Cleveland Browns stands on the sidelines against the Buffalo Bills on December 12, 2004 at Ralph Wilson Stadium in Orchard Park, New York. The Bills defeated the Browns 37-7.(Photo by Rick Stewart/Getty Images)

Romeo Crennel
Term: 2005-2008
Record: 24-40

Romeo Crennel first worked for the Browns as defensive coordinator in 2000. The following season, he coached under Bill Belichick at the New England Patriots. Crennel returned to Cleveland as head coach in 2005. He led the Browns to a 10-6 record in 2007, their second winning-record since returning to the league in 1999. But the team failed to make the playoffs. Browns owner Randy Lerner fired him soon after getting ride of general manager Phil Savage. Crennel got another head coaching gig with the Kansas City Chiefs. Since 2018, he’s served as assistant coach and defensive coordinator of the Houston Texans.

Head coach Romeo Crennel of the Cleveland Browns watches the action from the sidelines during the game against the Buffalo Bills at Ralph Wilson Stadium on November 17, 2008 in Orchard Park, New York. (Photo by: Rick Stewart/Getty Images)

Eric Mangini
Term: 2009-2010
Record: 10-22

Eric Mangini began his coaching career under Bill Belichick (Noticing a theme here?) at the Cleveland Browns. The two reunited in New England and then, in 2009, Mangini became the next head coach of the Browns. During his time in Cleveland, he handled a lengthy list of starting quarterbacks: Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy. The 2010 season was the year of running back Peyton Hillis. (What a time to be alive.) Like other coaches of Cleveland’s past, Mangini found other NFL jobs. He was a tight ends coach and defensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers. And don’t forget, he’s a three-time Super Bowl champion.

Head coach Eric Mangini of the Cleveland Browns watches as his team takes on the Chicago Bears at Soldier Field on November 1, 2009 in Chicago, Illinois. The Bears defeated the Browns 30-6. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)

Pat Shurmur
Term: 2011-2012
Record: 9-23

For those keeping track, the Browns had a 64-129 record until this point. And we’re about to pick up the pace. Pat Shurmur worked his way from college coaching to the NFL, and in 2011, then-Browns president Mike Holmgren named him the new head coach. Ahead of his second season, Cleveland selected running back Trent Richardson and quarterback Brandon Weeden in the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft. (Man, this was a odd time to be a Browns fan.) But that didn’t jumpstart the team’s offense. The Browns fired Shurmur and general manager Tom Heckert as they headed into the Jimmy Haslam era of ownership. Shurmur was recently fired by the New York Giants.

Head Coach Pat Shurmur of the Cleveland Browns looks on during pre-game warm ups before playing the Oakland Raiders at Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum on December 2, 2012 in Oakland, California. (Photo by Thearon W. Henderson/Getty Images)

Rob Chudzinski
Term: 2013
Record: 4-12

It was one and done for this Ohio native. He was the Browns tight ends coach in 2004, and the offensive coordinator from 2007 to 2008. So it was a shock when the man who said he’s a, “Cleveland Brown to the core” was fired as head coach. He spent the following four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts.

Head coach head coach Rob Chudzinski of the Cleveland Browns stands on the sidelines before the game against the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field on October 20, 2013 in Green Bay, Wisconsin. (Photo by Brian Kersey/Getty Images)

Mike Pettine
Term: 2014-2015
Record: 10-22

Mike Pettine was the defensive coordinator for the New York Jets, then the Buffalo Bills before coming to Cleveland. But the Browns continued their trend of finishing fourth in the AFC North. The Browns fired Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer, who drafted Johnny Manziel. This is marks the rise of Sashi Brown. Don’t worry about Pettine. He’s settled nicely into his current role as defensive coordinator of the Green Bay Packers.

Head coach Mike Pettine of the Cleveland Browns watches from the sidelines during the first half against the Cincinnati Bengals at FirstEnergy Stadium on December 6, 2015 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Photo by Jason Miller/Getty Images)

Hue Jackson
Term: 2016-2018
Record: 3-36

On paper, Hue Jackson seemed like a decent choice to be the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns. He had an extensive career at the collegiate level before making the jump to the NFL as running backs coach with the Washington Redskins. He worked for years with the Cincinnati Bengals, helping along the wide receiver duo of Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmanzadeh. As Browns head coach, the team had a winless season and a .088 winning percentage. Jackson was let go midseason. Things got a little heated when the Bengals brought him on as a special assistant to the head coach.

Head coach Hue Jackson of the Cleveland Browns before the game against the Baltimore Ravens at FirstEnergy Stadium on October 7, 2018 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Photo by Jason Miller/Getty Images)

Greg Williams
Term: 2018
Record: 5-3

Greg Williams became infamous for his involvement in the New Orleans Saints bounty scandal. He even received an indefinite suspension from the league in 2012. He bounced around the NFL, from the Rams to the Titans to the Rams again, then ended up the defensive coordinator for the Browns in 2017. He became interim head coach after the Browns fired Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Todd Haley. Williams’ 5-3 record doesn’t look too bad about now, does it? He’s the only one with an average over .500.

Head coach Gregg Williams of the Cleveland Browns looks on prior to the game against the Kansas City Chiefs at FirstEnergy Stadium on November 4, 2018 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Photo by Kirk Irwin/Getty Images)

Freddie Kitchens
Term: 2019
Record: 6-10

It was easy to like Freddie Kitchens at first. Especially with lines like, “If you don’t wear brown and orange, you don’t matter.” He got us and Browns fans love a guy who gets us. But “getting us” only gets you so far. Kitchens worked his way up through the Arizona Cardinals organization before coming to Cleveland as the running backs coach. When the Browns axed Hue Jackson and Todd Haley, Kitchens got a big promotion to offensive coordinator. He also got a lot of credit for helping Baker Mayfield with his rookie season. So much credit that he was named head coach. Between the poor clock management, questionable play design and even worse play callings, it’s no surprise Kitchens was fired after one season.

Head coach Freddie Kitchens of the Cleveland Browns looks on from the sidelines during the first half of the NFL football game against the Arizona Cardinals at State Farm Stadium on December 15, 2019 in Glendale, Arizona. (Photo by Ralph Freso/Getty Images)

[calfoxwc]

oh, that is worse than bad. I think Stefanski is terrific, but not perfect. We have a real coach. But with injuries, covid,

and a DC that gets on my nerves, yes, I really appreciate the dramatic improvement.

[nickers]

@calfoxwc said:

oh, that is worse than bad. I think Stefanski is terrific, but not perfect. We have a real coach. But with injuries, covid,

and a DC that gets on my nerves, yes, I really appreciate the dramatic improvement.

My big problem though is it looks like Stef is still learning on the job

[Bob806]

I was at the game. The booing was directed at the offense in general, not Baker. Yeah, that's my OPINION.

While I don't endorse booing the home team, I can see why it happens. The only time I was ever pissed at our fanbase is when some cheered the Tim Couch injury-totally uncalled for.

We fans have waited an awfully long time for success. Seems to me that with the taste of success last year, (and the teasing of the 7-8-1 season followed by the 2019 dud) fans rightfully expected another step forward this season. Through 11 games, there's been glimpses of great team play,  but overall just mediocrity @6-5. Yeah, they blew the Chiefs game and the refs handed the LAC a W.

Fans forget that the Browns were blessed with a healthy offense last year virtually all season. The D, especially the secondary, got hit hard with injuries. You can boo all you want, but I don't think any team can survive the amount of injuries the Browns have incurred on offense this year. 

Does it look good now? Nope, BUT there's 6 games to go. Let's see how it plays out. 

Go Browns.

[GuNNerGatSKi]

@nickers said:

My big problem though is it looks like Stef is still learning on the job

Again, I feel you severely lack perspective my friend. I’ll take learning on the job over the washed up, irrelevant coaches and front offices just here for the paycheck, the journeyman veterans at QB that came here for the same, the “absolutely no one would make that pick at QB” EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DRAFT, the constant QB room drama, endless losing, and absolutely mindless tearing down of my team every two to three years.

we have a football team. It is hurt, struggling, but my sweet Jesus IT IS NOT WHAT WE ENDURED FOR TWO DECADES!

THATS MY QB! THATS MY COACH! 
 

GO BROWNS.

[GuNNerGatSKi]

@bob806 said:

I was at the game. The booing was directed at the offense in general, not Baker. Yeah, that's my OPINION.

While I don't endorse booing the home team, I can see why it happens. The only time I was ever pissed at our fanbase is when some cheered the Tim Couch injury-totally uncalled for.

We fans have waited an awfully long time for success. Seems to me that with the taste of success last year, (and the teasing of the 7-8-1 season followed by the 2019 dud) fans rightfully expected another step forward this season. Through 11 games, there's been glimpses of great team play,  but overall just mediocrity @6-5. Yeah, they blew the Chiefs game and the refs handed the LAC a W.

Fans forget that the Browns were blessed with a healthy offense last year virtually all season. The D, especially the secondary, got hit hard with injuries. You can boo all you want, but I don't think any team can survive the amount of injuries the Browns have incurred on offense this year. 

Does it look good now? Nope, BUT there's 6 games to go. Let's see how it plays out. 

Go Browns.

I am deeply opposed to explaining away our record, but I bold/underlined what I think is the two most important parts of this season. Two swings, one involving some luck and the other the refs not stealing the game from us, this banged up, bruised up, battered team is freakin 8-3.

Food for thoughts, all I’m saying.

[mjp28]

Well those two lists certainly puts things in perspective..... and is something that we Cleveland BROWNS fans remember all to well.

This has been a very hard season completely across the entire NFL . Excerpt from something I read today.....

So who's your Super Bowl pairing ?

.......   Jets versus Lions ?   Technically, both are still alive! It could happen! (It won't happen.)

You can see where all this is heading. You know exactly what team is lurking, ready to step through the wreckage and the burning embers of this season and claim victory.  The New England [expletive] Patriots !

‌GO BROWNS !  We always keep fighting.....baby !

[nickers]

@gunnergatski said:

Again, I feel you severely lack perspective my friend. I’ll take learning on the job over the washed up, irrelevant coaches and front offices just here for the paycheck, the journeyman veterans at QB that came here for the same, the “absolutely no one would make that pick at QB” EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DRAFT, the constant QB room drama, endless losing, and absolutely mindless tearing down of my team every two to three years.

we have a football team. It is hurt, struggling, but my sweet Jesus IT IS NOT WHAT WE ENDURED FOR TWO DECADES!

THATS MY QB! THATS MY COACH! 
 

GO BROWNS.

Ive had enough coaches learning on the job...

[Dutch Oven]

For someone who supposedly the toughest man to ever suit up and play for the Browns, Baker Mayfield, and apparently his wife, have to have some of the thinnest skin ever. 

[Orion]

Hey GuN, you didn't have to list all that crap.  We friggin' lived through it.  

And I didn't like Baker walking off the field and not shaking anyone's hand....especially the opposing QB's hand.  That's piss poor.  

It's too bad that he's banged up.  But he went out onto the field to play.  If that's as good as he can play right now because of injuries, then he shouldn't be out there and the 6 million $ backup should be playing.  You know, the guy that actually TOOK a team to the brink of a super bowl appearance.    

[GuNNerGatSKi]

Empty, thoughtless, jibber jabber from Dutch and Orion. I imagine you both distinctly resemble in voice the adults from Charlie Brown.

In my opinion, your whining disqualifies you from enjoying our football team after so much suffering.

Good day sirs *tips hat*

[Dutch Oven]

@gunnergatski said:

Empty, thoughtless, jibber jabber from Dutch and Orion. I imagine you both distinctly resemble in voice the adults from Charlie Brown.

In my opinion, your whining disqualifies you from enjoying our football team after so much suffering.

Good day sirs *tips hat*

You Baker fan boys are silly gooses. 

[7moses7]

Can I get a picture of Clipboard Jesus???

[gumby73]

@7moses7 said:

Can I get a picture of Clipboard Jesus???

?   ?  Yeah !  I had to ...

                                                    ""   "'

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	AV
2005	22	GNB		12	3	0		9	16	56.3	65	0	0.0	1	6.3	3	16	4.1	1.3	7.2	21.7	39.8		3	28	15.8	1.95	-0.42			0
2006	23	GNB		12	2	0		6	15	40.0	46	0	0.0	0	0.0	2	16	3.1	3.1	7.7	23.0	48.2	7.9	3	18	16.7	1.56	1.56			0
2007	24	GNB		12	2	0		20	28	71.4	218	1	3.6	0	0.0	9	43	7.8	8.5	10.9	109.0	106.0	78.8	3	24	9.7	6.26	6.90			1
2008	25	GNB	QB	12	16	16	6-10-0	341	536	63.6	4038	28	5.2	13	2.4	184	71	7.5	7.5	11.8	252.4	93.8	62.9	34	231	6.0	6.68	6.64	1	2	15

Mayfield's 4th season.. 10 games in

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	AV
2018	23	CLE	QB	6	14	13	6-7-0	310	486	63.8	3725	27	5.6	14	2.9	171	71	7.7	7.5	12.0	266.1	93.7	51.2	25	173	4.9	6.95	6.77	3	4	10
2019	24	CLE	QB	6	16	16	6-10-0	317	534	59.4	3827	22	4.1	21	3.9	179	89	7.2	6.2	12.1	239.2	78.8	54.4	40	285	7.0	6.17	5.29	1	1	11
2020	25	CLE	QB	6	16	16	11-5-0	305	486	62.8	3563	26	5.3	8	1.6	188	75	7.3	7.7	11.7	222.7	95.9	72.2	26	162	5.1	6.64	6.96	2	2	14
2021	26	CLE	qb	6	10	10	5-5-0	176	275	64.0	2166	10	3.6	6	2.2	100	71	7.9	7.6	12.3	216.6	91.3	37.2	27	166	8.9	6.62	6.39

[SdBacker80]

We are too fixated on the past.

Like a terrible ex, like a bad boss, like a painful dentist trip.  Leave it in the past.

Our QBs have been bad HCs have been equally bad. 

But We are allowed to have GREAT things.  This was once a storied franchise…long ago but not too long ago they were making annual trips to the AFC championship game. 
 

Long question here but Can we acknowledge that Baker with help of others have pulled this franchise out of the dumpster but also acknowledge the limitations in his game and the sincere reservations that many should have about doubling down on an investment with Baker?

[gumby73]

where else would you post half of this? 

(hold your ears)

[ATOM]

gotta put that in my pre game music selection 

[Orion]

@gunnergatski said:

you both distinctly resemble in voice the adults from Charlie Brown.

    I love peanuts.

[hoorta]

@gunnergatski said:

Empty, thoughtless, jibber jabber from Dutch and Orion. I imagine you both distinctly resemble in voice the adults from Charlie Brown.

In my opinion, your whining disqualifies you from enjoying our football team after so much suffering.

Good day sirs *tips hat*

Glad you're happy with inconsistent mediocrity this season... Damn near anything is better than 0-16 right?  Beat up Baker has posted a QBR averaged out to 54 in the last two games, with two touchdowns and three interceptions. That's third string backup territory Gunner.  I mean- he had receivers wide open against the Lions, and couldn't even get the ball in the same area code a bunch of times. Starting with his first interception that he air mailed ten feet over Landry's head.     

I mean we're not allowed to point out Mayfield played like shit the last two weeks? He himself admitted as much. And FWIW, if he's not willing to admit those injuries are affecting his performance, and take a seat for a couple weeks, it's enough to get some of us pissed off.  We have one of the better backup QBs in the NFL in Keenum- I suggest it's time to start thinking about using him- especially if Baker comes out Sunday night and continues to suck.  

[gumby73]

Fitting ?  Plan B ?

Michigan Man joining rant sessions again... 

 

 

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