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  • Neo N Dedicated Reacting Well Very Popular Conversation Starter Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    I've said it a hundred times, hybrids should be the next step to going green. These idiot car companies think going from gas straight to all electric will be easy. I think they are going about it all the wrong way.

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      The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard. 

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      @the-cysko-kid said:

      The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard. 

      Exactly. I have no doubt that it will eventually. But just not now.

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        The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard. 

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        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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        @the-cysko-kid said:

        The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard. 

        Better not take any steps then

        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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          Unless I'm reading that wrong, the article is saying that a completely different car (a hybrid too) is $600 cheaper per year using gas compared to an all electric mustang completely charged at destination, higher cost charging without ever buying the membership for that charging....

          ... Seems like a hell of a specific argument to justify the title

          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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          • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

            @the-cysko-kid said:

            The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard. 

            Better not take any steps then

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            VamboV Vambo wrote on last edited by
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            @mld-woody said:

            Better not take any steps then

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              @mld-woody said:

              Better not take any steps then

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              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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              @vambo said:

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              can't stop it either. 4,000 miles on a 2 week vacation out west, and we saw a recharger station..... in Custer, S. Dakota.

              yeah, we will NEVER buy one. When a leftwing gov needs even MORE money, as they always do, they will charge you a lot more for the same service. Or charge more in red states.

              kiinda like being dependent on russian oil.

              they gotcha over a barrel. No pun intended.

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                @the-cysko-kid said:

                The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard. 

                Better not take any steps then

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                T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                @mld-woody said:

                Better not take any steps then

                I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use. 

                Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                  @mld-woody said:

                  Better not take any steps then

                  I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use. 

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                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                  @the-cysko-kid said:

                  I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use. 

                  You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it

                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                    @the-cysko-kid said:

                    I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use. 

                    You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it

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                    VamboV Vambo wrote on last edited by Vambo
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                    @mld-woody said:

                    You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it

                    What will you use to charge all the millions of electric cars without fossils fuels?

                    How will you mine all the material needed for solar and windmill construction?

                    How and whee do you dispose of the millions of batteries after they go bad?

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                      @the-cysko-kid said:

                      I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use. 

                      You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it

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                      T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                      @mld-woody said:

                      You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it

                      Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense. 

                      Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                        When they invented the gasoline powered automobile the government didn't immediately send the Army out to shoot every horse in sight.

                        Kid makes an excellent point.

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                          @mld-woody said:

                          You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it

                          Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense. 

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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          @the-cysko-kid said:

                          Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense. 

                          I never said it's time to completely give them up

                          But your first post made it seem you think we shouldn't even be trying to right now

                          Because we should absolutely be trying

                          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                            When they invented the gasoline powered automobile the government didn't immediately send the Army out to shoot every horse in sight.

                            Kid makes an excellent point.

                            WSS 

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                            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                            @westside-steve said:

                            When they invented the gasoline powered automobile the government didn't immediately send the Army out to shoot every horse in sight.

                            Kid makes an excellent point.

                            WSS 

                            Yes he destroyed that strawman 

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                              @westside-steve said:

                              When they invented the gasoline powered automobile the government didn't immediately send the Army out to shoot every horse in sight.

                              Kid makes an excellent point.

                              WSS 

                              Yes he destroyed that strawman 

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              Yes he destroyed that strawman 

                              Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.

                              But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                Yes he destroyed that strawman 

                                Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.

                                But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.

                                WSS

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                                @westside-steve said:

                                Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.

                                But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.

                                WSS

                                I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case 

                                Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.

                                  But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.

                                  WSS

                                  I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case 

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                                  @mld-woody said:

                                  I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case 

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                                    What, pray tell, was the strawman here? If you reread my first post which you seemed to take issue with you will see that I didn't say "fuck electric cars". In theory I like electric cars. In practice though we are not set up for immediate adoption, or even quick adoption. Also until they can get those mileage numbers up there's going to be a whole lot of people that won't work for. 

                                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                      @westside-steve said:

                                      Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.

                                      But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.

                                      WSS

                                      I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case 

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case 

                                      ?

                                      This illustrates what I've tried to tell you all along..

                                      You don't know, what you don't know.

                                      Let me help you out.. Biden is the Strawman.. Tho Kerry is a very close second..

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it

                                        Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense. 

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                                        @the-cysko-kid said:

                                        Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense. 

                                        This..

                                        They are supposedly working on a concept of charging lanes as you drive on our interstates but given the present condition of our state and interstate infrastructures who sees this happening in our lifetimes?

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                                          @westside-steve said:

                                          Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.

                                          But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.

                                          WSS

                                          I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case 

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case 

                                          And I think you've confused one of the biggest reasons that electric vehicles aren't anywhere near viable at this point. Maybe that's intentional.

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