Filling a gas-powered vehicle can still be cheaper than charging an electric one
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The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard.
The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard.
Better not take any steps then
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Unless I'm reading that wrong, the article is saying that a completely different car (a hybrid too) is $600 cheaper per year using gas compared to an all electric mustang completely charged at destination, higher cost charging without ever buying the membership for that charging....
... Seems like a hell of a specific argument to justify the title
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The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard.
Better not take any steps then
Better not take any steps then
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Better not take any steps then
can't stop it either. 4,000 miles on a 2 week vacation out west, and we saw a recharger station..... in Custer, S. Dakota.
yeah, we will NEVER buy one. When a leftwing gov needs even MORE money, as they always do, they will charge you a lot more for the same service. Or charge more in red states.
kiinda like being dependent on russian oil.
they gotcha over a barrel. No pun intended.
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The problem with electric vehicles is that neither the technology or the infrastructure is there to even take the first step toward them being standard.
Better not take any steps then
Better not take any steps then
I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use.
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Better not take any steps then
I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use.
I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use.
You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use.
You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it
You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it
What will you use to charge all the millions of electric cars without fossils fuels?
How will you mine all the material needed for solar and windmill construction?
How and whee do you dispose of the millions of batteries after they go bad?
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I drive a minimum of 120 miles per day every work day and that's if I only go to a single place. I'll be willing to talk when they can figure out how to put two batteries in and an alternator to charge the one that's not currently in use.
You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it
You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it
Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
When they invented the gasoline powered automobile the government didn't immediately send the Army out to shoot every horse in sight.
Kid makes an excellent point.
WSS
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You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it
Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense.
Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense.
I never said it's time to completely give them up
But your first post made it seem you think we shouldn't even be trying to right now
Because we should absolutely be trying
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When they invented the gasoline powered automobile the government didn't immediately send the Army out to shoot every horse in sight.
Kid makes an excellent point.
WSS
When they invented the gasoline powered automobile the government didn't immediately send the Army out to shoot every horse in sight.
Kid makes an excellent point.
WSS
Yes he destroyed that strawman
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When they invented the gasoline powered automobile the government didn't immediately send the Army out to shoot every horse in sight.
Kid makes an excellent point.
WSS
Yes he destroyed that strawman
Yes he destroyed that strawman
Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.
But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.
WSS
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Yes he destroyed that strawman
Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.
But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.
WSS
Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.
But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.
WSS
I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.
But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.
WSS
I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case
I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case
John is the walrus.
I am the egg man
They are the egg men
I am the walrus
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What, pray tell, was the strawman here? If you reread my first post which you seemed to take issue with you will see that I didn't say "fuck electric cars". In theory I like electric cars. In practice though we are not set up for immediate adoption, or even quick adoption. Also until they can get those mileage numbers up there's going to be a whole lot of people that won't work for.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.
But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.
WSS
I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case
I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case
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This illustrates what I've tried to tell you all along..
You don't know, what you don't know.
Let me help you out.. Biden is the Strawman.. Tho Kerry is a very close second..
Yer welcome..
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You're right, it currently won't work for you so we better not bother with it
Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense.
Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense.
This..
They are supposedly working on a concept of charging lanes as you drive on our interstates but given the present condition of our state and interstate infrastructures who sees this happening in our lifetimes?
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Driving a few hours and then stopping for one or two hours it's not a straw man. Asking electronic music there's something called midi musical instrument digital interface. At the outset every company that made synthesizers had their own set of sounds. It was a klusterfuk. Eventually they made the 128 sounds Universal. So a number one a number 14 and a number 30 on everyone's set of sounds would be the same instrument not necessarily the same patch. For instance the grand piano the upright piano the electric piano would all be on the same similar number no matter what brand synthesize are you on. The grand might be a Yamaha or a Steinway or a Kimble but that number is always a grand piano. Hi think a possibility would have a standardized battery you're getting well you pull in they take your battery replace it with another one you're on your way. Like swapping out propane tanks at the hardware store.
But even that would need to be at almost as many places as there are gas stations today. Imagine if every automobile could only run on one brand of gasoline.
WSS
I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case
I believe you've confused what the strawman is in this case
And I think you've confused one of the biggest reasons that electric vehicles aren't anywhere near viable at this point. Maybe that's intentional.
WSS
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What, pray tell, was the strawman here? If you reread my first post which you seemed to take issue with you will see that I didn't say "fuck electric cars". In theory I like electric cars. In practice though we are not set up for immediate adoption, or even quick adoption. Also until they can get those mileage numbers up there's going to be a whole lot of people that won't work for.
What, pray tell, was the strawman here? If you reread my first post which you seemed to take issue with you will see that I didn't say "fuck electric cars". In theory I like electric cars. In practice though we are not set up for immediate adoption, or even quick adoption. Also until they can get those mileage numbers up there's going to be a whole lot of people that won't work for.
The strawman is someone here saying "it's time to give up on fossil fuels"
Yes, going cold turkey is a bad idea. You win that argument, but no one is making that point.
Maybe I took your first post too strongly, but it sounded pretty anti EV. Ultimately, it is the direction we should go and need to go. I believe we shouldn't leave that transition up to the "free" market either. We may just disagree in how strongly we should push towards that future.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Do you even live in America? We have vast rural tracts it's not one big city. Our public transportation is hot garbage. They'd need to put up millions of charging stations before a 10th of people could realistically depend on electric vehicles. No one's in here saying they should not work on the technology and infrastructure for the future but please, for the love of god, spare me the"it's time to give up on fossil fuels" nonsense.
This..
They are supposedly working on a concept of charging lanes as you drive on our interstates but given the present condition of our state and interstate infrastructures who sees this happening in our lifetimes?
This..
They are supposedly working on a concept of charging lanes as you drive on our interstates but given the present condition of our state and interstate infrastructures who sees this happening in our lifetimes?
Yep. Too bad we have to spend as much on defense spending as the next 9 countries combined. And too bad we can't tax the extremely wealthy any more or our entire economy would collapse. Otherwise we could maybe progress with some of these ideas
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