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  • W Westside Steve

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

    What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just breaking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

    Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

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    @westside-steve said:

    Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

    WSS

    Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

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        @westside-steve said:

        Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

        WSS

        Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

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        @the-cysko-kid said:

        Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

        More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

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          I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

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            I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

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            @browns149 said:

            I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

            EV owners in Ohio have to pay $200 more.

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              @the-cysko-kid said:

              Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

              More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

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              @westside-steve said:

              More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

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                7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

                You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

                What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just braking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

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                cccjwhC cccjwh wrote on last edited by
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                @the-cysko-kid said:

                You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

                What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just braking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

                Most people don't need a charging station. You charge your vehicle at home or at work. Only time you need them if you are drive a long way. Average distance per day someone drives? 39 miles. Probably less now, since so many people are working from home. 

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                  T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                  Average city person. However you might have noticed or maybe not but there's an awful lot of not city around. 

                  Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                      JAFBFJ JAFBF wrote on last edited by
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                      Guess they'll have to raise the base price too.

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                        what next? ya have to have a certain permit to get a battery swap? I wonder how many battery swaps/recharges we would have had to do when we went on vacation out west - drove 4,000 miles......

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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          @jafbf said:

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                          You may just be the dumbest person I've ever interacted with. Or you have 0 ability to perform a "sniff test" on what you see on the internet. Or you just don't care because it fits your narrative

                          We need to get older folks through basic internet competency courses...

                          That isn't an "electric car graveyard" in France. That pic is from China. 

                          https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cars-china/fact-check-photo-shows-electric-cars-in-china-not-france-idUSL1N2OP2AA

                          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/14/fact-check-image-purported-electric-car-cemetery-taken-china/7938854002/

                          I get I'm supposed to "reason" with you. I'm supposed to walk through your beliefs and help coax you back from the edge, but it is clear that ship has sailed. Calling out your stupidity is all it's worth now. 

                          once again we see misinformation as possibly the biggest issue currently facing our country (and I'm sure much of the world). Even though plenty of reputable places have done the work to show that caption to be false, they'll never reach the millions of people that have already seen this false pic. All of the people that used this to enforce their own beliefs or the few that this actually swayed (or kicked them down the start of a rabbit hole). The correction will only reach a fraction of the original audience. The damage is done.

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                            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                            The average American isn't going to be needing to use a mobile charging station. They'll charge at home in their garage at night (or at work if they're lucky). The average daily commute isn't going to use more than the range of the battery. 

                            Yes Cysko, you drive around more for work, got it. I'm talking about the average American and their typical day. And yes, planned longer commutes may need a charging stop (or multiple) along the way (At least for now)

                            Thinking about how often you go to the gas station and then assuming all of those stops will be long charging sessions is false, as that is not is how it would work out for most people on most days. 

                            and the battery is designed to last the life of the car, and it is under warranty, so very few consumers are ever going to need to front the cost of a battery replacement 

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                              The average American isn't going to be needing to use a mobile charging station. They'll charge at home in their garage at night (or at work if they're lucky). The average daily commute isn't going to use more than the range of the battery. 

                              Yes Cysko, you drive around more for work, got it. I'm talking about the average American and their typical day. And yes, planned longer commutes may need a charging stop (or multiple) along the way (At least for now)

                              Thinking about how often you go to the gas station and then assuming all of those stops will be long charging sessions is false, as that is not is how it would work out for most people on most days. 

                              and the battery is designed to last the life of the car, and it is under warranty, so very few consumers are ever going to need to front the cost of a battery replacement 

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              The average American isn't going to be needing to use a mobile charging station. They'll charge at home in their garage at night (or at work if they're lucky). The average daily commute isn't going to use more than the range of the battery. 

                              Yes Cysko, you drive around more for work, got it. I'm talking about the average American and their typical day. And yes, planned longer commutes may need a charging stop (or multiple) along the way (At least for now)

                              Thinking about how often you go to the gas station and then assuming all of those stops will be long charging sessions is false, as that is not is how it would work out for most people on most days. 

                              and the battery is designed to last the life of the car, and it is under warranty, so very few consumers are ever going to need to front the cost of a battery replacement 

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                                hammertimeH hammertime wrote on last edited by
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                                Even EV dealerships know there product is stupid.

                                But it’s making them money so they don’t give a shit.

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                                  Even EV dealerships know there product is stupid.

                                  But it’s making them money so they don’t give a shit.

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                                  @hammertime said:

                                  Even EV dealerships know there product is stupid.

                                  But it’s making them money so they don’t give a shit.

                                  I don't think they believe the products are stupid but but they do know they will have to find a way to make them practical. But I do believe that when government gives you the profit instead of private sector real world research gets put on the back burner.

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                                    So what does Joe average, that old ev consumer, do when their lifetime battery starts degrading badly in 1-3 years? Just drop another 80k for a new model like an iPhone I imagine. There's a reason devices all went to non user servicible batteries. So that they can bend you over and fuck your butt for maximum profit. 

                                    By the way lithium is in just as short supply as oil. In fact it seems to be worse. Unless they can devise new battery technology that replaces lithium with something abundant this shit will be dead in the water in 25 years. 

                                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/130380-future-batteries-coming-soon-charge-in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air.amphtml

                                      Here's something interesting. Show me this, practically in the real world, and I'll be on board. 

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                                        @hammertime said:

                                        Even EV dealerships know there product is stupid.

                                        But it’s making them money so they don’t give a shit.

                                        I don't think they believe the products are stupid but but they do know they will have to find a way to make them practical. But I do believe that when government gives you the profit instead of private sector real world research gets put on the back burner.

                                        WSS

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                                        hammertimeH hammertime wrote on last edited by
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                                        @westside-steve said:

                                        I don't think they believe the products are stupid but but they do know they will have to find a way to make them practical. But I do believe that when government gives you the profit instead of private sector real world research gets put on the back burner.

                                        WSS

                                        They don’t think the product is stupid they KNOW its stupid.  Current technology isn’t the solution.  And trying to get rid of fossil fuels before you have a practical replacement is merely another money grab.  Similar to the global warming crap.  It’s about the $$$,  you may have a few tree huggers who care but believe me me its about the almighty dollar.

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                                          It'll also be somewhat fun to see (when they're the standard if I'm still around) a new kind of road fatality where the entire bottom of your very expensive car suddenly bursts into flame and explodes killing the occupants and sending the still rolling flaming carcass careening into whatever is nearby. It'll be like a party game as long as, you know, it's not you. 

                                          Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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