electric cars are a stupid ass idea

[Canton Dawg]

@browns149 said:

I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

EV owners in Ohio have to pay $200 more.

[Vambo]

@westside-steve said:

More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

WSS

[cccjwh]

@the-cysko-kid said:

You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just braking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

Most people don't need a charging station. You charge your vehicle at home or at work. Only time you need them if you are drive a long way. Average distance per day someone drives? 39 miles. Probably less now, since so many people are working from home. 

[The Cysko Kid]

Average city person. However you might have noticed or maybe not but there's an awful lot of not city around. 

[JAFBF]

[JAFBF]

Guess they'll have to raise the base price too.

[calfoxwc]

what next? ya have to have a certain permit to get a battery swap? I wonder how many battery swaps/recharges we would have had to do when we went on vacation out west - drove 4,000 miles......

[MLD Woody]

@jafbf said:

You may just be the dumbest person I've ever interacted with. Or you have 0 ability to perform a "sniff test" on what you see on the internet. Or you just don't care because it fits your narrative

We need to get older folks through basic internet competency courses...

That isn't an "electric car graveyard" in France. That pic is from China. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cars-china/fact-check-photo-shows-electric-cars-in-china-not-france-idUSL1N2OP2AA

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/14/fact-check-image-purported-electric-car-cemetery-taken-china/7938854002/

I get I'm supposed to "reason" with you. I'm supposed to walk through your beliefs and help coax you back from the edge, but it is clear that ship has sailed. Calling out your stupidity is all it's worth now. 

once again we see misinformation as possibly the biggest issue currently facing our country (and I'm sure much of the world). Even though plenty of reputable places have done the work to show that caption to be false, they'll never reach the millions of people that have already seen this false pic. All of the people that used this to enforce their own beliefs or the few that this actually swayed (or kicked them down the start of a rabbit hole). The correction will only reach a fraction of the original audience. The damage is done.

[MLD Woody]

The average American isn't going to be needing to use a mobile charging station. They'll charge at home in their garage at night (or at work if they're lucky). The average daily commute isn't going to use more than the range of the battery. 

Yes Cysko, you drive around more for work, got it. I'm talking about the average American and their typical day. And yes, planned longer commutes may need a charging stop (or multiple) along the way (At least for now)

Thinking about how often you go to the gas station and then assuming all of those stops will be long charging sessions is false, as that is not is how it would work out for most people on most days. 

and the battery is designed to last the life of the car, and it is under warranty, so very few consumers are ever going to need to front the cost of a battery replacement 

[Axe]

@mld-woody said:

The average American isn't going to be needing to use a mobile charging station. They'll charge at home in their garage at night (or at work if they're lucky). The average daily commute isn't going to use more than the range of the battery. 

Yes Cysko, you drive around more for work, got it. I'm talking about the average American and their typical day. And yes, planned longer commutes may need a charging stop (or multiple) along the way (At least for now)

Thinking about how often you go to the gas station and then assuming all of those stops will be long charging sessions is false, as that is not is how it would work out for most people on most days. 

and the battery is designed to last the life of the car, and it is under warranty, so very few consumers are ever going to need to front the cost of a battery replacement 

[hammertime]

Even EV dealerships know there product is stupid.

But it’s making them money so they don’t give a shit.

[Westside Steve]

@hammertime said:

Even EV dealerships know there product is stupid.

But it’s making them money so they don’t give a shit.

I don't think they believe the products are stupid but but they do know they will have to find a way to make them practical. But I do believe that when government gives you the profit instead of private sector real world research gets put on the back burner.

WSS

[The Cysko Kid]

So what does Joe average, that old ev consumer, do when their lifetime battery starts degrading badly in 1-3 years? Just drop another 80k for a new model like an iPhone I imagine. There's a reason devices all went to non user servicible batteries. So that they can bend you over and fuck your butt for maximum profit. 

By the way lithium is in just as short supply as oil. In fact it seems to be worse. Unless they can devise new battery technology that replaces lithium with something abundant this shit will be dead in the water in 25 years. 

[The Cysko Kid]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/130380-future-batteries-coming-soon-charge-in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air.amphtml

Here's something interesting. Show me this, practically in the real world, and I'll be on board. 

[hammertime]

@westside-steve said:

I don't think they believe the products are stupid but but they do know they will have to find a way to make them practical. But I do believe that when government gives you the profit instead of private sector real world research gets put on the back burner.

WSS

They don’t think the product is stupid they KNOW its stupid.  Current technology isn’t the solution.  And trying to get rid of fossil fuels before you have a practical replacement is merely another money grab.  Similar to the global warming crap.  It’s about the $$$,  you may have a few tree huggers who care but believe me me its about the almighty dollar.

[The Cysko Kid]

It'll also be somewhat fun to see (when they're the standard if I'm still around) a new kind of road fatality where the entire bottom of your very expensive car suddenly bursts into flame and explodes killing the occupants and sending the still rolling flaming carcass careening into whatever is nearby. It'll be like a party game as long as, you know, it's not you. 

[cccjwh]

@the-cysko-kid said:

It'll also be somewhat fun to see (when they're the standard if I'm still around) a new kind of road fatality where the entire bottom of your very expensive car suddenly bursts into flame and explodes killing the occupants and sending the still rolling flaming carcass careening into whatever is nearby. It'll be like a party game as long as, you know, it's not you. 

Right, because gas powered vehicles never catch on fire. ?

So EVs are stupid because there lines for charging stations and EV are stupid because they can burst into flames. Where there are no line at gas pumps and gas is less flammable than batteries. Those are some great points you guy came up with. 

[calfoxwc]

@mld-woody said:

The average American isn't going to be needing to use a mobile charging station. They'll charge at home in their garage at night (or at work if they're lucky). The average daily commute isn't going to use more than the range of the battery. 

Yes Cysko, you drive around more for work, got it. I'm talking about the average American and their typical day. And yes, planned longer commutes may need a charging stop (or multiple) along the way (At least for now)

Thinking about how often you go to the gas station and then assuming all of those stops will be long charging sessions is false, as that is not is how it would work out for most people on most days.

and the battery is designed to last the life of the car, and it is under warranty, so very few consumers are ever going to need to front the cost of a battery replacement 

let's see - an all night recharge at home. Is the 110 or what? lol and that should just about make people's electric bill go up about 300 or 400 dollars.

yeah, "if you like your dr you can keep your dr  "(you're a moron for believing us on the left)

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2016/ph240/mok2/

the truth is:

" However, Li-ion batteries also have some drawbacks as well. Comparatively, Li-ion batteries have been a very expensive battery technology. There are also major safety concerns regarding the overcharging and overheating of these batteries. Li-ion can experience a thermal runaway, which can trigger vehicle fires or explosions. There had been serval instances where the Tesla Model S, which utilized Li-ion batteries, had infamously caught on fire due to issues with fluctuating charging or damage to the battery. [3] However, great efforts have been made to help improve the safety of vehicles that use Li-ion batteries. "

[calfoxwc]

@the-cysko-kid said:

It'll also be somewhat fun to see (when they're the standard if I'm still around) a new kind of road fatality where the entire bottom of your very expensive car suddenly bursts into flame and explodes killing the occupants and sending the still rolling flaming carcass careening into whatever is nearby. It'll be like a party game as long as, you know, it's not you. 

YEP see above

[Browns149]

@mld-woody said:

The average American isn't going to be needing to use a mobile charging station. They'll charge at home in their garage at night (or at work if they're lucky). The average daily commute isn't going to use more than the range of the battery. 

Yes Cysko, you drive around more for work, got it. I'm talking about the average American and their typical day. And yes, planned longer commutes may need a charging stop (or multiple) along the way (At least for now)

Thinking about how often you go to the gas station and then assuming all of those stops will be long charging sessions is false, as that is not is how it would work out for most people on most days. 

and the battery is designed to last the life of the car, and it is under warranty, so very few consumers are ever going to need to front the cost of a battery replacement 

Not true about the batteries. My wife’s son had to replace the batteries 2 TIMES in his Prius. The first time they were covered under warranty. The second time  they were not. 
He got rid of it for an all gas car