Second Grand Jury Declines to Indict Watson
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https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/03/second-grand-jury-declines-to-indict-deshaun-watson.html
We should all understand the importance of a Grand Jury failing to indict.
Some folks are under the impression that, because it relates to a criminal matter, the grand jury has to find that the case is made "beyond a reasonable doubt." They then think that even though the grand jury fails to indict, the civil case has a better chance of success. It's the opposite. The grand jury case is MUCH easier to prove than the civil case. The grand jury standard is the same standard used in the civil case but the prosecutor is the only one who presents the case to the jury. There is no defense attorney to dispute any evidence or statements made by the prosecutor or in any way oppose the prosecutors case. These cases are exceedingly weak I'm starting to believe the only reason the prosecution even filed these cases is public pressure.
If you can't convince a jury in the easiest proceeding there is with your strongest cases you have, imagine what happens in a civil case when the jury gets to hear:
-Other therapists who testify that Watson is polite and courteous.
-Many of the plaintiff pretty much said they are doing this for the money
-Many of the plaintiffs had repeated appointments despite the "shocking" behavior
-One of the plaintiffs actually blackmailed Watson for $30,000 with the threat that they would lie about what happened.
-The plaintiffs deleted their social media accounts
-The whole thing about Buzbee being McNair's neighbor and lying about not knowing who the Texans owner was.
(Buzbee took out 10 billboards in 2014 asking McNair, by name, to draft Manziel)
-McNair being angry at Watson for demanding a trade
-The lawsuit were filed the day before the start of free agency
The defenses go on and on but you can see where this is going...
McNair being angry at Watson for demanding a trade
-The lawsuit were filed the day before the start of free agency
I've always felt like this was probably the driving force behind all of this.
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Each failure to indict should be considered for the suspension that is sure to come.
So let’s do the talley: 9 were brought forward in one county. And all were dismissed.
3 were not even considered.
and now 1 additional was brought in another county and dismissed.
So 13 are gone and 9 potentially left? Any other counties out there?
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Each failure to indict should be considered for the suspension that is sure to come.
So let’s do the talley: 9 were brought forward in one county. And all were dismissed.
3 were not even considered.
and now 1 additional was brought in another county and dismissed.
So 13 are gone and 9 potentially left? Any other counties out there?
Each failure to indict should be considered for the suspension that is sure to come.
Should the 17 week 2021 yr count towards time served ?
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Each failure to indict should be considered for the suspension that is sure to come.
Should the 17 week 2021 yr count towards time served ?
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IMO Yes, but he was paid
As he probably should have been. But his trade value plummeted to ....
Essentially, he's already served a yr of paid suspension for something he was never charged with. Is that not enough?
If you subscribe to the theory that everything is about money.. And it is.. Then isn't the price of this lost FA yr because of apparent bogus accusations possibly brought on by an owner that wanted to diminish his FA value. A lost yr of FA that he absorbed, not sufficient for any pending NFL suspension?
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Each failure to indict should be considered for the suspension that is sure to come.
So let’s do the talley: 9 were brought forward in one county. And all were dismissed.
3 were not even considered.
and now 1 additional was brought in another county and dismissed.
So 13 are gone and 9 potentially left? Any other counties out there?
Each failure to indict should be considered for the suspension that is sure to come.
If there end up (and hopefully the 'end' is now) being NO indictments........then on what grounds would the NFL suspend him? Bad publicity? He hasn't tried to physically hurt anyone in any way nor has he threatened anyone. I mean, can Roger just say, "I don't care what grand juries say, I think you did something so I'm suspending you!"
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@axe said:
What the actual fuck?
Yeah, I deleted that.
The grand jury did indict members of the 1919 White Sox, but they eventually were found not guilty.
The commissioner of MLB banned eight members of the team for life, regardless.
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IMO Yes, but he was paid
As he probably should have been. But his trade value plummeted to ....
Essentially, he's already served a yr of paid suspension for something he was never charged with. Is that not enough?
If you subscribe to the theory that everything is about money.. And it is.. Then isn't the price of this lost FA yr because of apparent bogus accusations possibly brought on by an owner that wanted to diminish his FA value. A lost yr of FA that he absorbed, not sufficient for any pending NFL suspension?
As he probably should have been. But his trade value plummeted to ....
Essentially, he's already served a yr of paid suspension for something he was never charged with. Is that not enough?
If you subscribe to the theory that everything is about money.. And it is.. Then isn't the price of this lost FA yr because of apparent bogus accusations possibly brought on by an owner that wanted to diminish his FA value. A lost yr of FA that he absorbed, not sufficient for any pending NFL suspension?
No I understand where you are coming from. And I would consider the lost time as punishment. He could have perfected his craft in that year. Maybe he had clauses in his old contract (performance bonuses) that he missed out on. On the flip side he saved a year of wear and tear on his body (important as a dual threat guy). Maybe instead of retiring at 36 he now has an extra year in him at 37 or 38 more earning potential.
His trade value is a relevant issue only to the team that turned him in the Texans. Could they have gotten more if the Owner didn’t allegedly conspire against Watson? He also had a no trade clause and he could control his next destination. He had four teams interested and a number of others that are settled or didn’t have cap room regardless of his issues.
You mention free agency…well he tore up his old contract and got a record number as far as guaranteed money is concerned. He made out okay…and although you and I may not agree NFL headquarters see this and it may weigh heavily when they try to be “fair” and send a message.
Paid Leave. When we hear these two words together as a society what comes to mind?
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Buzbee isn't directly involved in the criminal process.
thanks for clarifying... BUT... He's sure the lead guy trying to get those poor ladies paid.
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thanks for clarifying... BUT... He's sure the lead guy trying to get those poor ladies paid.
Mostly he's trying to get himself paid. He could potentially get around ten times what each plaintiff receives. He can of course encourage any of the plaintiffs to file a criminal complaint; which he probably has.
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thanks for clarifying... BUT... He's sure the lead guy trying to get those poor ladies paid.
Mostly he's trying to get himself paid. He could potentially get around ten times what each plaintiff receives. He can of course encourage any of the plaintiffs to file a criminal complaint; which he probably has.
Mostly he's trying to get himself paid. He could potentially get around ten times what each plaintiff receives. He can of course encourage any of the plaintiffs to file a criminal complaint; which he probably has.
Just listening to his rhetoric, exactly.
The bad part of this is how long he can drag the festivities out, and hope Watson will pay him off to go away...
Exhibit 1A... Here Dayton way one of the ambulance chasers kept it going for years when his (drunk, deceased) client was in a Wal-Mart and took out a very realistic looking pellet gun and started waving it around... cops told him to drop it.. Nope, bam, you're dead. Eventually got the City of Beavercreek PD and Wal-Mart to pay the aggrieved family (and him) millions to just go the f**k away already.
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Mostly he's trying to get himself paid. He could potentially get around ten times what each plaintiff receives. He can of course encourage any of the plaintiffs to file a criminal complaint; which he probably has.
Just listening to his rhetoric, exactly.
The bad part of this is how long he can drag the festivities out, and hope Watson will pay him off to go away...
Exhibit 1A... Here Dayton way one of the ambulance chasers kept it going for years when his (drunk, deceased) client was in a Wal-Mart and took out a very realistic looking pellet gun and started waving it around... cops told him to drop it.. Nope, bam, you're dead. Eventually got the City of Beavercreek PD and Wal-Mart to pay the aggrieved family (and him) millions to just go the f**k away already.
Just listening to his rhetoric, exactly.
The bad part of this is how long he can drag the festivities out, and hope Watson will pay him off to go away...
Exhibit 1A... Here Dayton way one of the ambulance chasers kept it going for years when his (drunk, deceased) client was in a Wal-Mart and took out a very realistic looking pellet gun and started waving it around... cops told him to drop it.. Nope, bam, you're dead. Eventually got the City of Beavercreek PD and Wal-Mart to pay the aggrieved family (and him) millions to just go the f**k away already.
Oh yes.....that type sometimes go viral and get their 15 minutes of fame meanwhile somebody else ends up paying to clean up the mess.
And attorneys can't live with them and can't collect without them.
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It's just a bigger and better legal form of the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. Somebody is getting fucked over for money and that somebody appears to be Watson.
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It's just a bigger and better legal form of the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. Somebody is getting fucked over for money and that somebody appears to be Watson.
It's just a bigger and better legal form of the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. Somebody is getting fucked over for money and that somebody appears to be Watson.
Didn't ZZ top have a line about this...
That shack outside La Grange?
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Each failure to indict should be considered for the suspension that is sure to come.
If there end up (and hopefully the 'end' is now) being NO indictments........then on what grounds would the NFL suspend him? Bad publicity? He hasn't tried to physically hurt anyone in any way nor has he threatened anyone. I mean, can Roger just say, "I don't care what grand juries say, I think you did something so I'm suspending you!"
If there end up (and hopefully the 'end' is now) being NO indictments........then on what grounds would the NFL suspend him? Bad publicity? He hasn't tried to physically hurt anyone in any way nor has he threatened anyone. I mean, can Roger just say, "I don't care what grand juries say, I think you did something so I'm suspending you!"
Knowing Roger, yes. He's been consistently inconsistent regarding player punishments and fines.
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But will Busbee try to find a third Grand Jury? ? Like the above... Plaintiffs thought they were underpaid for the sex rubs, and along with their (Busbee) lawyer they want to get compensated big time.
Can't remember the exact details, but IIRC there were some pretty seedy goings on in Dallas strip clubs involving NFL players a while back.
But will Busbee try to find a third Grand Jury? ? Like the above... Plaintiffs thought they were underpaid for the sex rubs, and along with their (Busbee) lawyer they want to get compensated big time.
Can't remember the exact details, but IIRC there were some pretty seedy goings on in Dallas strip clubs involving NFL players a while back.
Just a guess but I would think a Dallas strip club would be among the most likely establishments in which to discover seedy behavior.
Of course this is written from a defense position but regardless I don't really want to see anybody, even a player I don't want, railroaded.
WSS
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Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
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Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
Before it's too late ?
Ooooops I think that that ship might have sailed and the SS CLEVELAND BROWNS ?? is on the hook for a ton of cash and bad PR well into this coming football season no matter what. Oh yeah and someone has to take the snaps or the ball will just fly back with no one there.
How did they get into this mess in the first place ?
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