Second Grand Jury Declines to Indict Watson
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@axe said:
What the actual fuck?
Yeah, I deleted that.
The grand jury did indict members of the 1919 White Sox, but they eventually were found not guilty.
The commissioner of MLB banned eight members of the team for life, regardless.
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IMO Yes, but he was paid
As he probably should have been. But his trade value plummeted to ....
Essentially, he's already served a yr of paid suspension for something he was never charged with. Is that not enough?
If you subscribe to the theory that everything is about money.. And it is.. Then isn't the price of this lost FA yr because of apparent bogus accusations possibly brought on by an owner that wanted to diminish his FA value. A lost yr of FA that he absorbed, not sufficient for any pending NFL suspension?
As he probably should have been. But his trade value plummeted to ....
Essentially, he's already served a yr of paid suspension for something he was never charged with. Is that not enough?
If you subscribe to the theory that everything is about money.. And it is.. Then isn't the price of this lost FA yr because of apparent bogus accusations possibly brought on by an owner that wanted to diminish his FA value. A lost yr of FA that he absorbed, not sufficient for any pending NFL suspension?
No I understand where you are coming from. And I would consider the lost time as punishment. He could have perfected his craft in that year. Maybe he had clauses in his old contract (performance bonuses) that he missed out on. On the flip side he saved a year of wear and tear on his body (important as a dual threat guy). Maybe instead of retiring at 36 he now has an extra year in him at 37 or 38 more earning potential.
His trade value is a relevant issue only to the team that turned him in the Texans. Could they have gotten more if the Owner didn’t allegedly conspire against Watson? He also had a no trade clause and he could control his next destination. He had four teams interested and a number of others that are settled or didn’t have cap room regardless of his issues.
You mention free agency…well he tore up his old contract and got a record number as far as guaranteed money is concerned. He made out okay…and although you and I may not agree NFL headquarters see this and it may weigh heavily when they try to be “fair” and send a message.
Paid Leave. When we hear these two words together as a society what comes to mind?
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Buzbee isn't directly involved in the criminal process.
thanks for clarifying... BUT... He's sure the lead guy trying to get those poor ladies paid.
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thanks for clarifying... BUT... He's sure the lead guy trying to get those poor ladies paid.
Mostly he's trying to get himself paid. He could potentially get around ten times what each plaintiff receives. He can of course encourage any of the plaintiffs to file a criminal complaint; which he probably has.
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thanks for clarifying... BUT... He's sure the lead guy trying to get those poor ladies paid.
Mostly he's trying to get himself paid. He could potentially get around ten times what each plaintiff receives. He can of course encourage any of the plaintiffs to file a criminal complaint; which he probably has.
Mostly he's trying to get himself paid. He could potentially get around ten times what each plaintiff receives. He can of course encourage any of the plaintiffs to file a criminal complaint; which he probably has.
Just listening to his rhetoric, exactly.
The bad part of this is how long he can drag the festivities out, and hope Watson will pay him off to go away...
Exhibit 1A... Here Dayton way one of the ambulance chasers kept it going for years when his (drunk, deceased) client was in a Wal-Mart and took out a very realistic looking pellet gun and started waving it around... cops told him to drop it.. Nope, bam, you're dead. Eventually got the City of Beavercreek PD and Wal-Mart to pay the aggrieved family (and him) millions to just go the f**k away already.
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Mostly he's trying to get himself paid. He could potentially get around ten times what each plaintiff receives. He can of course encourage any of the plaintiffs to file a criminal complaint; which he probably has.
Just listening to his rhetoric, exactly.
The bad part of this is how long he can drag the festivities out, and hope Watson will pay him off to go away...
Exhibit 1A... Here Dayton way one of the ambulance chasers kept it going for years when his (drunk, deceased) client was in a Wal-Mart and took out a very realistic looking pellet gun and started waving it around... cops told him to drop it.. Nope, bam, you're dead. Eventually got the City of Beavercreek PD and Wal-Mart to pay the aggrieved family (and him) millions to just go the f**k away already.
Just listening to his rhetoric, exactly.
The bad part of this is how long he can drag the festivities out, and hope Watson will pay him off to go away...
Exhibit 1A... Here Dayton way one of the ambulance chasers kept it going for years when his (drunk, deceased) client was in a Wal-Mart and took out a very realistic looking pellet gun and started waving it around... cops told him to drop it.. Nope, bam, you're dead. Eventually got the City of Beavercreek PD and Wal-Mart to pay the aggrieved family (and him) millions to just go the f**k away already.
Oh yes.....that type sometimes go viral and get their 15 minutes of fame meanwhile somebody else ends up paying to clean up the mess.
And attorneys can't live with them and can't collect without them.
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It's just a bigger and better legal form of the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. Somebody is getting fucked over for money and that somebody appears to be Watson.
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It's just a bigger and better legal form of the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. Somebody is getting fucked over for money and that somebody appears to be Watson.
It's just a bigger and better legal form of the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. Somebody is getting fucked over for money and that somebody appears to be Watson.
Didn't ZZ top have a line about this...
That shack outside La Grange?
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Each failure to indict should be considered for the suspension that is sure to come.
If there end up (and hopefully the 'end' is now) being NO indictments........then on what grounds would the NFL suspend him? Bad publicity? He hasn't tried to physically hurt anyone in any way nor has he threatened anyone. I mean, can Roger just say, "I don't care what grand juries say, I think you did something so I'm suspending you!"
If there end up (and hopefully the 'end' is now) being NO indictments........then on what grounds would the NFL suspend him? Bad publicity? He hasn't tried to physically hurt anyone in any way nor has he threatened anyone. I mean, can Roger just say, "I don't care what grand juries say, I think you did something so I'm suspending you!"
Knowing Roger, yes. He's been consistently inconsistent regarding player punishments and fines.
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But will Busbee try to find a third Grand Jury? ? Like the above... Plaintiffs thought they were underpaid for the sex rubs, and along with their (Busbee) lawyer they want to get compensated big time.
Can't remember the exact details, but IIRC there were some pretty seedy goings on in Dallas strip clubs involving NFL players a while back.
But will Busbee try to find a third Grand Jury? ? Like the above... Plaintiffs thought they were underpaid for the sex rubs, and along with their (Busbee) lawyer they want to get compensated big time.
Can't remember the exact details, but IIRC there were some pretty seedy goings on in Dallas strip clubs involving NFL players a while back.
Just a guess but I would think a Dallas strip club would be among the most likely establishments in which to discover seedy behavior.
Of course this is written from a defense position but regardless I don't really want to see anybody, even a player I don't want, railroaded.
WSS
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Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
Before it's too late ?
Ooooops I think that that ship might have sailed and the SS CLEVELAND BROWNS ?? is on the hook for a ton of cash and bad PR well into this coming football season no matter what. Oh yeah and someone has to take the snaps or the ball will just fly back with no one there.
How did they get into this mess in the first place ?
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It's just a bigger and better legal form of the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. Somebody is getting fucked over for money and that somebody appears to be Watson.
Didn't ZZ top have a line about this...
That shack outside La Grange?
Didn't ZZ top have a line about this...
That shack outside La Grange?
The song La Grange is all about it, "they gotta lot a nice girls there."
And I can personally attest it was not shack, but a real house with many rooms and a quarter jukebox. LOL!??
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I was on a grand jury for 5 months of my life. I saw the evidence for 100% of the cases completed by the prosecutors in that county in that period.
The question put before a grand jury is.. ASSUMING the evidence is true and accurate, should this case move forward?
Interesting. Being a lawyer, I will never be selected on a jury, grand or otherwise. Was that in the same Texas county? Did the prosecutor present any exculpatory evidence? Or just the evidence that they believe shows guilt?
Interesting. Being a lawyer, I will never be selected on a jury, grand or otherwise. Was that in the same Texas county? Did the prosecutor present any exculpatory evidence? Or just the evidence that they believe shows guilt?
Being a retired Police Officer and Detective, the grand jury process is exclusively presented by the prosecution and the there is no defense testimony. Usually the grand jury process is an easier way to get charges filed unlike a preliminary hearing where most evidence(witness testimony) is presented and the defense also presents their case and a judge decides. So that should tell you a lot.
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Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
I'm guessing sooner rather than later.
The Browns are playing the long game on DW, much like if they used a really high pick on a rookie QB (Hi Baker!). They are expecting DW to miss 8ish games this year and will pin those games on Jacoby in hopes they can come out on the other side at 4-4, where they then will ask DW to go 6-3 and see what 10-7 shakes out to be.
After next season they will be full strength and we'll all see what happens..... It's no different than the approach of drafting the best rookie QB, with the one major difference being that the Browns already know that DW can play at a high level in the NFL, whereas the #1 overall rookie QB is projected to be able to play at a high level in the NFL.... and we all know how far off projections can be. (Hi again Baker!)
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I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
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Interesting. Being a lawyer, I will never be selected on a jury, grand or otherwise. Was that in the same Texas county? Did the prosecutor present any exculpatory evidence? Or just the evidence that they believe shows guilt?
Being a retired Police Officer and Detective, the grand jury process is exclusively presented by the prosecution and the there is no defense testimony. Usually the grand jury process is an easier way to get charges filed unlike a preliminary hearing where most evidence(witness testimony) is presented and the defense also presents their case and a judge decides. So that should tell you a lot.
Being a retired Police Officer and Detective, the grand jury process is exclusively presented by the prosecution and the there is no defense testimony. Usually the grand jury process is an easier way to get charges filed unlike a preliminary hearing where most evidence(witness testimony) is presented and the defense also presents their case and a judge decides. So that should tell you a lot.
Yes, that was the entire point of my original post. Just how biased in favor of getting an indictment the whole process is. I was just confirming with Unsympathetic that his experience was consistent with that and that the prosecutor didn't say something like although these "victims" claim this assault, we also have this account where this "victim" said to a family member "I'm going to frame Deshaun." The prosecutor would be required to disclose such exculpatory evidence to the defendant in the actual criminal proceeding.
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I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
No different than other legal matters…When someone is arrested or a complaint is filed against someone…the snap judgement is…that certain someone did it.
Of course, The Media plays the role of spoon feeding a large segment of the population that can’t or will not do proper fact finding. But The media does the sloppy quick job of fact finding in haste to break stories.
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