Second Grand Jury Declines to Indict Watson
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It's just a bigger and better legal form of the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. Somebody is getting fucked over for money and that somebody appears to be Watson.
Didn't ZZ top have a line about this...
That shack outside La Grange?
Didn't ZZ top have a line about this...
That shack outside La Grange?
The song La Grange is all about it, "they gotta lot a nice girls there."
And I can personally attest it was not shack, but a real house with many rooms and a quarter jukebox. LOL!??
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I was on a grand jury for 5 months of my life. I saw the evidence for 100% of the cases completed by the prosecutors in that county in that period.
The question put before a grand jury is.. ASSUMING the evidence is true and accurate, should this case move forward?
Interesting. Being a lawyer, I will never be selected on a jury, grand or otherwise. Was that in the same Texas county? Did the prosecutor present any exculpatory evidence? Or just the evidence that they believe shows guilt?
Interesting. Being a lawyer, I will never be selected on a jury, grand or otherwise. Was that in the same Texas county? Did the prosecutor present any exculpatory evidence? Or just the evidence that they believe shows guilt?
Being a retired Police Officer and Detective, the grand jury process is exclusively presented by the prosecution and the there is no defense testimony. Usually the grand jury process is an easier way to get charges filed unlike a preliminary hearing where most evidence(witness testimony) is presented and the defense also presents their case and a judge decides. So that should tell you a lot.
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Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
Okay... So now the question is... When do we find out what happens to Watson concerning the season...
I'm guessing sooner rather than later.
The Browns are playing the long game on DW, much like if they used a really high pick on a rookie QB (Hi Baker!). They are expecting DW to miss 8ish games this year and will pin those games on Jacoby in hopes they can come out on the other side at 4-4, where they then will ask DW to go 6-3 and see what 10-7 shakes out to be.
After next season they will be full strength and we'll all see what happens..... It's no different than the approach of drafting the best rookie QB, with the one major difference being that the Browns already know that DW can play at a high level in the NFL, whereas the #1 overall rookie QB is projected to be able to play at a high level in the NFL.... and we all know how far off projections can be. (Hi again Baker!)
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I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
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Interesting. Being a lawyer, I will never be selected on a jury, grand or otherwise. Was that in the same Texas county? Did the prosecutor present any exculpatory evidence? Or just the evidence that they believe shows guilt?
Being a retired Police Officer and Detective, the grand jury process is exclusively presented by the prosecution and the there is no defense testimony. Usually the grand jury process is an easier way to get charges filed unlike a preliminary hearing where most evidence(witness testimony) is presented and the defense also presents their case and a judge decides. So that should tell you a lot.
Being a retired Police Officer and Detective, the grand jury process is exclusively presented by the prosecution and the there is no defense testimony. Usually the grand jury process is an easier way to get charges filed unlike a preliminary hearing where most evidence(witness testimony) is presented and the defense also presents their case and a judge decides. So that should tell you a lot.
Yes, that was the entire point of my original post. Just how biased in favor of getting an indictment the whole process is. I was just confirming with Unsympathetic that his experience was consistent with that and that the prosecutor didn't say something like although these "victims" claim this assault, we also have this account where this "victim" said to a family member "I'm going to frame Deshaun." The prosecutor would be required to disclose such exculpatory evidence to the defendant in the actual criminal proceeding.
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I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
No different than other legal matters…When someone is arrested or a complaint is filed against someone…the snap judgement is…that certain someone did it.
Of course, The Media plays the role of spoon feeding a large segment of the population that can’t or will not do proper fact finding. But The media does the sloppy quick job of fact finding in haste to break stories.
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I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
No different than other legal matters…When someone is arrested or a complaint is filed against someone…the snap judgement is…that certain someone did it.
Of course, The Media plays the role of spoon feeding a large segment of the population that can’t or will not do proper fact finding. But The media does the sloppy quick job of fact finding in haste to break stories.
Of course, The Media plays the role
Don't forget that 99% of what is often categorized as Media is actually entertainment. Friends don't let friends watch either Lord Tuck Tuck or Rachel the Useless.
"Entertainment" is how they skate around slander/libel laws -- "Reasonable Viewers Watch My Show With An Appropriate Amount Of Skepticism"
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Of course, The Media plays the role
Don't forget that 99% of what is often categorized as Media is actually entertainment. Friends don't let friends watch either Lord Tuck Tuck or Rachel the Useless.
"Entertainment" is how they skate around slander/libel laws -- "Reasonable Viewers Watch My Show With An Appropriate Amount Of Skepticism"
Friends don't let friends watch either Lord Tuck Tuck or Rachel the Useless.
Thank you Sweet Baby Jesus that I have no idea who either of these people are. Too bad I'm not in the vast majority.
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I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
The media prays at the alter of the court of public opinion. Since public opinion assumes guilt until proven innocent, anyone who defends DW will suffer. Suffering for the media means less clicks, less views, and less money. I have not seen a single person in the media reference Buzzbee's ties to McNair or even mention any of the inconsistencies in the prosecution's cases.
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I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
The media prays at the alter of the court of public opinion. Since public opinion assumes guilt until proven innocent, anyone who defends DW will suffer. Suffering for the media means less clicks, less views, and less money. I have not seen a single person in the media reference Buzzbee's ties to McNair or even mention any of the inconsistencies in the prosecution's cases.
The media prays at the alter of the court of public opinion. Since public opinion assumes guilt until proven innocent, anyone who defends DW will suffer. Suffering for the media means less clicks, less views, and less money. I have not seen a single person in the media reference Buzzbee's ties to McNair or even mention any of the inconsistencies in the prosecution's cases.
MeToo, I mean neither have I.
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The media just wants to railroad another innocent man and "cancel" him.
Glad to see Watson wasn't indicted.
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I love that Deshaun isn't settling any of the civil cases. He's gonna fight em all and maintain his innocence. Quite frankly, the way the media is covering all of this is disgusting. Speaking as though he were guilty, and even when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
when the second grand jury chose not to indict him. People were disappointed. This is all bizarre.
Yup. I'm sure the media is hoping there's grand jury hearing after hearing....so they can keep reporting on it.
In his press conference he said he'd never disrespected a woman. So, I expect that some disrespected woman will be coming forward very shortly. Perhaps 243 of them wanting a million each.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
For those interested, here is documents from Watson's grand jury hearing:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132-deshaun-watson-original-answer
I'm open to pursue a case against him if there's evidence to point in that direction, but from my own interpretation of facts presented, it seems like Watson is being railroaded by these women, and this seems to be a money grab.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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For those interested, here is documents from Watson's grand jury hearing:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132-deshaun-watson-original-answer
I'm open to pursue a case against him if there's evidence to point in that direction, but from my own interpretation of facts presented, it seems like Watson is being railroaded by these women, and this seems to be a money grab.
For those interested, here is documents from Watson's grand jury hearing:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132-deshaun-watson-original-answer
I'm open to pursue a case against him if there's evidence to point in that direction, but from my own interpretation of facts presented, it seems like Watson is being railroaded by these women, and this seems to be a money grab.
Minor correction. That document is Watson's answer in one of the civil filings, not the grand jury.
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I can see you miss the good ole days in Saigon.??
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The song La Grange is all about it, "they gotta lot a nice girls there."
And I can personally attest it was not shack, but a real house with many rooms and a quarter jukebox. LOL!??
I've heard La Grange a couple hundred times, and until now, never realized "what they were talkin' about".
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For those interested, here is documents from Watson's grand jury hearing:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132-deshaun-watson-original-answer
I'm open to pursue a case against him if there's evidence to point in that direction, but from my own interpretation of facts presented, it seems like Watson is being railroaded by these women, and this seems to be a money grab.
Minor correction. That document is Watson's answer in one of the civil filings, not the grand jury.
Minor correction. That document is Watson's answer in one of the civil filings, not the grand jury.
And IIRC, Grand Jury proceedings aren't a matter of public record?
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And IIRC, Grand Jury proceedings aren't a matter of public record?
YES Mr Hoorta in most all cases Grand Juries are secret with some exceptions.
NOTE ! I am not an attorney, I do not have a JD degree. I have a BSBA and MBA majoring in Industrial Management and my MBA is Management and Finance. My law expertise is in Business Law dealing almost exclusively with Conrtracts, Labor Law, Labor Legislation, etc. I do have a lot of respect for those who specialize in judicial law.
Now that that is clear, I do find this all quite interesting and something that often comes up in the news.
A few facts about juries :
From Britannica Law .......Witnesses normally have no right to have an attorney present in the room with them when they appear before a grand jury. The proceedings are secret and informal, although the court may lift secrecy in the interests of justice.
In the federal court system and in many U.S. states, the proceedings must be recorded, except for the deliberation and voting by the jurors. Minutes of the proceedings are usually available to the prosecutor and the court and sometimes are available to the accused......
A trial jury also known as a petit jury, decides whether the defendant committed the crime as charged in a criminal case, or whether the defendant injured the plaintiff in a civil case.
- Consists of 6-12 people.
- Trials are generally public, but jury deliberations are private.
- Defendants have the right to appear, testify, and call witnesses on their behalf.
- Final outcome is a verdict, in favor of plaintiff or defendant in a civil case, or guilty/not guilty in a criminal case.
Grand Jury
A grand jury is presented with evidence from the U.S. attorney, the prosecutor in federal criminal cases. The grand jury determines whether there is “probable cause” to believe the individual has committed a crime and should be put on trial. If the grand jury determines there is enough evidence, an indictment will be issued against the defendant.
- Consists of 16-23 people.
- Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public.
- Defendants and their attorneys do not have the right to appear before the grand jury.
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