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  • @hish747 said:

    The denial I was referring to relates to your thinking that a situation like Watson coming to the Browns doesn't implicate your morals. But it does. It offends your morals. What I'm suggesting is if you analyze the situation objectively, you will likely come to the conclusion that Watson is being framed in a massive money grab. Therefore, you would not have any moral conflict with him coming to the Browns. Just accepting the allegations at face value is giving up too easy. Don't even get me started on cops...

    Or does it implicate a lack of hypocrisy. I didn't leave my country when we gave the nuclear football to a man with 25 alleged sexual assaults, so why would I leave my team over a a quarterback with 22 of them?

    Could it be a massive money grab? Certainly....the grand jury can indict a ham sandwich and they didn't indict him on even 1 charge. None of the women complained to a supervisor and most did it multiple times. The court could've done 1 and sent the other 21 packing, the 22 accusations came almost all at once when he requested a trade, the attorney lives on the Texan's owner street, family are friends and the run in the same political circles.  What's also very possible is Watson is a complete perv and deserves prison.....it's just out of my hands and way above my paygrade.

    @laiccm said:

    What's also very possible is Watson is a complete perv and deserves prison

    And your proof of this is.... what, exactly?  The same proof that achieved zero indictments?

    Or your refusal to change the snap judgement you made 7 seconds after you heard the lawsuits were filed because you'd rather ruin someone else's life for funsies than admit you're occasionally 100% wrong?  Because if you admit you're wrong then you'd need to suck up your pride and change your mind - and that's a fate worse than death?

    It's neither "very" possible" nor "mildly" possible nor "sort of kind of 1/24th" possible.

    You recognize that grand juries indict a ham sandwich but refuse to realize that.... there wasn't ham-sandwich-level evidence, whatever that means? 

    They've got nothing, nada, zero, zilch..

  • @laiccm said:

    What's also very possible is Watson is a complete perv and deserves prison

    And your proof of this is.... what, exactly?  The same proof that achieved zero indictments?

    Or your refusal to change the snap judgement you made 7 seconds after you heard the lawsuits were filed because you'd rather ruin someone else's life for funsies than admit you're occasionally 100% wrong?  Because if you admit you're wrong then you'd need to suck up your pride and change your mind - and that's a fate worse than death?

    It's neither "very" possible" nor "mildly" possible nor "sort of kind of 1/24th" possible.

    You recognize that grand juries indict a ham sandwich but refuse to realize that.... there wasn't ham-sandwich-level evidence, whatever that means? 

    They've got nothing, nada, zero, zilch..

    @unsympathetic said:

    And your proof of this is.... what, exactly?  The same proof that achieved zero indictments?

    Or your deliberate refusal to change the snap judgement you made 7 seconds after you heard the lawsuits were filed because you'd rather ruin someone else's life than admit you're occasionally 100% wrong?  Because if you admit you're wrong then you'd need to suck up your pride and change your mind - and that's a fate worse than death?

    It's neither "very" possible" nor "mildly" possible nor "sort of kind of 1/24th" possible.

    You recognize that grand juries indict a ham sandwich but refuse to realize that.... there wasn't ham-sandwich-level evidence, whatever that means?

    Sheesh....reread the ENTIRE reply I typed 

  • @unsympathetic said:

    And your proof of this is.... what, exactly?  The same proof that achieved zero indictments?

    Or your deliberate refusal to change the snap judgement you made 7 seconds after you heard the lawsuits were filed because you'd rather ruin someone else's life than admit you're occasionally 100% wrong?  Because if you admit you're wrong then you'd need to suck up your pride and change your mind - and that's a fate worse than death?

    It's neither "very" possible" nor "mildly" possible nor "sort of kind of 1/24th" possible.

    You recognize that grand juries indict a ham sandwich but refuse to realize that.... there wasn't ham-sandwich-level evidence, whatever that means?

    Sheesh....reread the ENTIRE reply I typed 

    @laiccm said:

    Sheesh....reread the ENTIRE reply I typed 

    I did.

    You're being so open-minded that your brains have fallen out. 

    The question isn't What Is Possible -- it's always possible that aliens are among us -- the question is how PROBABLE things are.  And we learn that probability from..  the evidence.

  • @laiccm said:

    Sheesh....reread the ENTIRE reply I typed 

    I did.

    You're being so open-minded that your brains have fallen out. 

    The question isn't What Is Possible -- it's always possible that aliens are among us -- the question is how PROBABLE things are.  And we learn that probability from..  the evidence.

    @unsympathetic said:

    I did.

    You're being so open-minded that your brains have fallen out. 

    The question isn't What Is Possible -- it's always possible that aliens are among us -- the question is how PROBABLE things are.  And we learn that probability from..  the evidence.

    You're reading into it what you want to read into it for argument sake. 

    I worked for a criminal defense attorney for 7 years out of law school.

    Deal with definites.

    I wasn't there...nor were you. Bottomline.

    Just because you don't go to jail don't mean you didn't do it.

    Just because you go to jail don't mean you did do it.

    Those are statements of fact proven time and time again by DNA evidence and the Freedom project. 

    You're welcome 

  • @hish747 said:

    The denial I was referring to relates to your thinking that a situation like Watson coming to the Browns doesn't implicate your morals. But it does. It offends your morals. What I'm suggesting is if you analyze the situation objectively, you will likely come to the conclusion that Watson is being framed in a massive money grab. Therefore, you would not have any moral conflict with him coming to the Browns. Just accepting the allegations at face value is giving up too easy. Don't even get me started on cops...

    Or does it implicate a lack of hypocrisy. I didn't leave my country when we gave the nuclear football to a man with 25 alleged sexual assaults, so why would I leave my team over a a quarterback with 22 of them?

    Could it be a massive money grab? Certainly....the grand jury can indict a ham sandwich and they didn't indict him on even 1 charge. None of the women complained to a supervisor and most did it multiple times. The court could've done 1 and sent the other 21 packing, the 22 accusations came almost all at once when he requested a trade, the attorney lives on the Texan's owner street, family are friends and the run in the same political circles.  What's also very possible is Watson is a complete perv and deserves prison.....it's just out of my hands and way above my paygrade.

    @laiccm said:

    Or does it implicate a lack of hypocrisy. I didn't leave my country when we gave the nuclear football to a man with 25 alleged sexual assaults, so why would I leave my team over a a quarterback with 22 of them?

    Could it be a massive money grab? Certainly....the grand jury can indict a ham sandwich and they didn't indict him on even 1 charge. None of the women complained to a supervisor and most did it multiple times. The court could've done 1 and sent the other 21 packing, the 22 accusations came almost all at once when he requested a trade, the attorney lives on the Texan's owner street, family are friends and the run in the same political circles...

    How many more posts by you until you have finally convinced yourself?   

  • @laiccm said:

    Or does it implicate a lack of hypocrisy. I didn't leave my country when we gave the nuclear football to a man with 25 alleged sexual assaults, so why would I leave my team over a a quarterback with 22 of them?

    Could it be a massive money grab? Certainly....the grand jury can indict a ham sandwich and they didn't indict him on even 1 charge. None of the women complained to a supervisor and most did it multiple times. The court could've done 1 and sent the other 21 packing, the 22 accusations came almost all at once when he requested a trade, the attorney lives on the Texan's owner street, family are friends and the run in the same political circles...

    How many more posts by you until you have finally convinced yourself?   

    @flugel said:

    How many more posts by you until you have finally convinced yourself?   

    This was 2 weeks ago.........feel free to not reply

  • @laiccm said:

    Or does it implicate a lack of hypocrisy. I didn't leave my country when we gave the nuclear football to a man with 25 alleged sexual assaults, so why would I leave my team over a a quarterback with 22 of them?

    Could it be a massive money grab? Certainly....the grand jury can indict a ham sandwich and they didn't indict him on even 1 charge. None of the women complained to a supervisor and most did it multiple times. The court could've done 1 and sent the other 21 packing, the 22 accusations came almost all at once when he requested a trade, the attorney lives on the Texan's owner street, family are friends and the run in the same political circles...

    How many more posts by you until you have finally convinced yourself?   

    @flugel said:

    How many more posts by you until you have finally convinced yourself?   

    Only one question came close to the one I would have asked but did anyone notice that it was sidestepped? The very last one. So Kevin, Andrew, your research has led you to the conclusion that all 22 women were lying? The last question came close but not nearly specific enough in my opinion. I'm guessing this video has been posted before.

    And as happens so often the hyperbolic headline.

    WSS

  • Also.... none of us follow the Browns for our morale... so there's that.

  • Also.... none of us follow the Browns for our morale... so there's that.

    @tour2ma said:

    Also.... none of us follow the Browns for our morale... so there's that.

    Unfortunately some do.....check this board

  • People don't understand that when you're in the public eye, you are held to a higher standard...because you become a role model.  Like it or not.  The young kids look up to them.  They are being molded by what they see and experience.  Now, guys can avoid this 'higher standard' thing.  They can instead go work at Dunkin Donuts.  

  • People don't understand that when you're in the public eye, you are held to a higher standard...because you become a role model.  Like it or not.  The young kids look up to them.  They are being molded by what they see and experience.  Now, guys can avoid this 'higher standard' thing.  They can instead go work at Dunkin Donuts.  

    @orion said:

    People don't understand that when you're in the public eye, you are held to a higher standard...because you become a role model.  Like it or not.  The young kids look up to them.  They are being molded by what they see and experience.  Now, guys can avoid this 'higher standard' thing.  They can instead go work at Dunkin Donuts.  

    Nope....thats on who raises you.  Not 1 damn time growing up did I think I could do what a celebrity or a professional athlete could do. My parents and my faith......if your kid is emulating a famous person and u don't check them...thats on you. It's not on anyone else,let alone a famous athlete to raise your sex trophy.

  • People don't understand that when you're in the public eye, you are held to a higher standard...because you become a role model.  Like it or not.  The young kids look up to them.  They are being molded by what they see and experience.  Now, guys can avoid this 'higher standard' thing.  They can instead go work at Dunkin Donuts.  

    @orion said:

    People don't understand that when you're in the public eye, you are held to a higher standard...because you become a role model.  Like it or not.  The young kids look up to them.  They are being molded by what they see and experience.  Now, guys can avoid this 'higher standard' thing.  They can instead go work at Dunkin Donuts.  

    Who the hell looks up to an NFL player?

  • People don't understand that when you're in the public eye, you are held to a higher standard...because you become a role model.  Like it or not.  The young kids look up to them.  They are being molded by what they see and experience.  Now, guys can avoid this 'higher standard' thing.  They can instead go work at Dunkin Donuts.  

    @orion said:

    People don't understand that when you're in the public eye, you are held to a higher standard...because you become a role model.  Like it or not.  The young kids look up to them.  They are being molded by what they see and experience.  Now, guys can avoid this 'higher standard' thing.  They can instead go work at Dunkin Donuts.  

    Exactly. But it's not just kids who are impacted by what they experience and how they process it. We all have to resolve the tensions with us. But many don't understand this and even worse, insist on denying what they don't understand. 

  • @orion said:

    People don't understand that when you're in the public eye, you are held to a higher standard...because you become a role model.  Like it or not.  The young kids look up to them.  They are being molded by what they see and experience.  Now, guys can avoid this 'higher standard' thing.  They can instead go work at Dunkin Donuts.  

    Who the hell looks up to an NFL player?

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Who the hell looks up to an NFL player?

    Maybe for kids it's about looking up to an NFL player. For adults, it's the underlying moral theme that seeps into our psyche.

  • Also.... none of us follow the Browns for our morale... so there's that.

    @tour2ma said:

    Also.... none of us follow the Browns for our morale... so there's that.

    Unfortunately some do.....check this board

  • We have PRESIDENTS who have been accused of starting unnecessary wars, bigotry....heck..we had 1 who had more women alleged to be sexually assaulted than 22...

    I'm not holding a fu@$$ football player to a higher standard than a PRESIDENT 

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Who the hell looks up to an NFL player?

    Maybe for kids it's about looking up to an NFL player. For adults, it's the underlying moral theme that seeps into our psyche.

    @hish747 said:

    Maybe for kids it's about looking up to an NFL player. For adults, it's the underlying moral theme that seeps into our psyche.

    That sounds like parents who blamed Marilyn Manson for their kids being on heroin or gangster rap for shootings.......copout

  • I don't go to the NFL for my morels, either.

    Usually it is a grocery store. 

  • Zombo said:

    No violence,  no kids, these women were all adults... if you're offended that he tried to get more than a massage with these ladies, then you and your holier than thou attitude is the problem.

    Z

    I hear that.  And he's single.  I was explaining to a coworker, Heck, if I was 20 somethin', rich, single, and into messages, I don't know if I can say for 100% certain that I wouldn't ask for the royal treatment.  My coworker said, I would every time.  🙂 

    I'm just sayin'...if you're famous, you're in the spotlight and the cross-hairs at the same time.  And if you're a star QB in the NFL, then you're famous.  And yes, kids idolize you.  Last week I watched my 6 & 8 year old grandsons at flag football instructional practice.  First time for the little one.  When he got by the defender in the hand-off and run drill...and got to the end of the cones...scoring his first ever TD, he did the cutest little dance.  I was smiling ear to ear, chuckling.......but if it was the 1960's he wouldn't have been doing a dance.  They are what they see.  (Joe Walsh - Too bad for the children, they ARE what they see)

  • Zombo said:

    No violence,  no kids, these women were all adults... if you're offended that he tried to get more than a massage with these ladies, then you and your holier than thou attitude is the problem.

    Z

    I hear that.  And he's single.  I was explaining to a coworker, Heck, if I was 20 somethin', rich, single, and into messages, I don't know if I can say for 100% certain that I wouldn't ask for the royal treatment.  My coworker said, I would every time.  🙂 

    I'm just sayin'...if you're famous, you're in the spotlight and the cross-hairs at the same time.  And if you're a star QB in the NFL, then you're famous.  And yes, kids idolize you.  Last week I watched my 6 & 8 year old grandsons at flag football instructional practice.  First time for the little one.  When he got by the defender in the hand-off and run drill...and got to the end of the cones...scoring his first ever TD, he did the cutest little dance.  I was smiling ear to ear, chuckling.......but if it was the 1960's he wouldn't have been doing a dance.  They are what they see.  (Joe Walsh - Too bad for the children, they ARE what they see)

    @orion said:

    I hear that.  And he's single.  I was explaining to a coworker, Heck, if I was 20 somethin', rich, single, and into messages, I don't know if I can say for 100% certain that I wouldn't ask for the royal treatment.  My coworker said, I would every time.  🙂 

    I'm just sayin'...if you're famous, you're in the spotlight and the cross-hairs at the same time.  And if you're a star QB in the NFL, then you're famous.  And yes, kids idolize you.  Last week I watched my 6 & 8 year old grandsons at flag football instructional practice.  First time for the little one.  When he got by the defender in the hand-off and run drill...and got to the end of the cones...scoring his first ever TD, he did the cutest little dance.  I was smiling ear to ear, chuckling.......but if it was the 1960's he wouldn't have been doing a dance.  They are what they see.  (Joe Walsh - Too bad for the children, they ARE what they see)

    Exactly...and its weird that the all got the same attorney and it's just so happens to be the neighbor of the Texans owner...there over 75,000 attorneys in Texas....what are the chances...

    Right....but only to a degree. Yes, your kid did a dance after a touchdown he saw ( I used to yell Jordan on fadeaways) but you are teaching him fatherhood with your parenting. You are the biggest and strongest influence in his life. I used to imitate Jordan on the court but I didn't think I could go cursing people out, treating them like trash, pay gambling debts off to mobsters...etc..cuz at the end of the day.as explainedto me thoroughly by my Mom.. I wasn't him.