2022 Draft Prospects and off-season addition breakdowns.

nickers

@mjp28 said:

Bad choice of words there.....just think about it for a minute or two or three.

I did,,, My mind hasn't changed.

Dutch Oven

nickers is the gift that keeps giving.

Spreading his miserableness one post at a time.

Dutch Oven

So tia and Unsympathetic are kind of down on Kyle Hamilton, safety from Notre Dame that seems like a lock for a top 10 pick.

I'm curious to why both of you aren't real high on him...

tiamat63

@dutch-oven said:

So tia and Unsympathetic are kind of down on Kyle Hamilton, safety from Notre Dame that seems like a lock for a top 10 pick.

I'm curious to why both of you aren't real high on him...

I was going to type out this long thing that was a couple paragraphs, but I'll keep it at the TL;DR version for now.

I don't see much that jumps off the tape anymore than Jeremy Chinn. And Chinn was had as the last pick in the 2nd round...

Dutch Oven

@tiamat63 said:

I was going to type out this long thing that was a couple paragraphs, but I'll keep it at the TL;DR version for now.

I don't see much that jumps off the tape anymore than Jeremy Chinn. And Chinn was had as the last pick in the 2nd round...

So the people who think he's a top 10 pick think that he's a guy who can do it all, while you think he's more of a "Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None" guy?

tiamat63

@dutch-oven said:

So the people who think he's a top 10 pick think that he's a guy who can do it all, while you think he's more of a "Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None" guy?

Those people probably think he's a Jack Of All Trades as well, that would be because he is. So you're going to spend his rookie season, and likely most of his 2nd season, getting him accustomed to a variety of responsibilities and getting coached up to NFL speed. So instead of having a more focused role, you're moving him around like a foundational chess piece. Takes a very rare football I.Q. to be top-10 level effective your first few seasons, especially under those circumstances.

And like I pointed out with Chinn, you can also find those types of players well outside the 1st round.

edit: And the thing I didn't like about his downhill trigger was him processing, planting and driving to the ball carrier when it wasn't an obvious short yardage situation. Found himself insanely deep in the middle 1/3 quite a bit.

Unsympathetic

Here's the RAS of Taven Bryan. This guy is an elite athlete even at the NFL level and yet he's now firmly in the "bust" discussion. Even guys with the measurables don't make it.

Here's Hamilton's again. He is... not a jack of all trades.. more like an 7. He can't cover man-to-man and his hitting makes nobody forget about Kam Chancellor. Elite short-area quickness is the foundational requirement these days for the NFL and that's the weakness of his game.

Here's the benefit of letting a DB with average quickness get used to NFL speed and not playing him until he's actually ready to play without thinking.. AJ Green PFF.. I didn't know he played that well either.. if you take someone round1 he doesn't get to sit a season. AJ was absolutely not ready in 2020..

This is NOT to say that KH isn't a decent athlete who won't be wearing some NFL jersey until 2032. It's to say that if you take him round 1 you have expectations which won't be met.. If someone with KH's skillset was available in the 4th, that's a value pick and then his weaknesses are OK because "Eh, Round 4 Guy".

gumby73

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imo.. Hamilton will become shuffled to a hybrid LB playing status, just as Isaiah Simmons is being used now in Zona .. Same draft hype as Simmons received..

tiamat63

@gumby73 said:

imo.. Hamilton will become shuffled to a hybrid LB playing status, just as Isaiah Simmons is being used now in Zona .. Same draft hype as Simmons received..

Simmons isn't a "hybrid". He's just a weakside backer now. Snap counts by alignment...

- Simmons 94 snaps on the defensive line, 229 in the box, 66 in the slot, one at free safety, and eight at outside cornerback

gumby73

@tiamat63 said:

Simmons isn't a "hybrid". He's just a weakside backer now. Snap counts by alignment...

- Simmons 94 snaps on the defensive line, 229 in the box, 66 in the clot, one at free safety, and eight at outside cornerback

as he should be.. the Simmons draft label of 'jack of all d positions' lasted all of one year... I don't think Hamilton can win a 40 vs Andrew 'slow' Sendejo? ? top 10 is a reach

MLD Woody

@gumby73 said:

imo.. Hamilton will become shuffled to a hybrid LB playing status, just as Isaiah Simmons is being used now in Zona .. Same draft hype as Simmons received..

Simmons hype was a lot higher

ballpeen

JOM, but some are getting way worked up over a player we don't have much of a chance at drafting. I'll admit I haven't gone back to get the back story on all the hamilton beef, but what are we doing here?

TexasAg1969

@ballpeen said:

JOM, but some are getting way worked up over a player we don't have much of a chance at drafting. I'll admit I haven't gone back to get the back story on all the hamilton beef, but what are we doing here?

Mental masturbation until draft pick 43 is done. Helps pass the time and gives us an idea of what others are getting before the Browns finally get to their first pick @44.?

https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-order-for-all-seven-rounds

tiamat63

@ballpeen said:

JOM, but some are getting way worked up over a player we don't have much of a chance at drafting. I'll admit I haven't gone back to get the back story on all the hamilton beef, but what are we doing here?

Maybe I'm reading the room wrong, but I don't see anyone getting worked up.

Just some good, passionate type talk here.

Dutch Oven

@ballpeen said:

JOM, but some are getting way worked up over a player we don't have much of a chance at drafting. I'll admit I haven't gone back to get the back story on all the hamilton beef, but what are we doing here?

We're talking about a player in the upcoming draft in a thread about players in the upcoming draft. ?

gumby73

@tiamat63 said:

13.33% drop rate? To quote the immortal Randy Jackson - that's a no from me dawg.

we knew somebody would get around to posting these...

Ben Linsey

@PFF_Linsey

Career drop rates..

*George Pickens: 2.1%

*Skyy Moore: 3.3%

Chris Olave: 4.7%

*Jahan Dotson: 5.1%

Drake London: 5.7

*Alec Pierce: 6.4%

Garrett Wilson: 6.8%

*Justyn Ross: 7.1%

Treylon Burks: 7.4% (falling)

Jameson Williams: 7.7%

*Jalen Tolbert: 8.4%

*Christian Watson: 12.7% (falling)

* pick #44, with 2nd round grades may not be high enough?

gumby73

Is somethings brewing at RB 2 or 3 ? either trading Hunt? or gain a 2nd rounder, while losing D'Ernest Johnson at tagged tendered?

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/4/12/23022450/cleveland-browns-running-back-dernest-johnson-switches-agents

I've heard some RB draftee interviews, saying they 'have a 30 team visit with the Browns'... ?

ballpeen

@gumby73 said:

Is somethings brewing at RB 2 or 3 ? either trading Hunt? or gain a 2nd rounder, while losing D'Ernest Johnson at tagged tendered?

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/4/12/23022450/cleveland-browns-running-back-dernest-johnson-switches-agents

I've heard some RB draftee interviews, saying they 'have a 30 team visit with the Browns'... ?

Berry does draft a few year ahead. I could see where we might not keep Chubb in a few years.

Unsympathetic

For those of you who do Hulu Live, they just added ESPN+ [and Disney+] for free.. So much prospect video content..

tiamat63

@unsympathetic said:

For those of you who do Hulu Live, they just added ESPN+ [and Disney+] for free.. So much prospect video content..

Yeah, probably going to be making the switch to Hulu Live and forgo YT TV for next season.