2022 Draft Prospects and off-season addition breakdowns.

[Unsympathetic]

For those of you who do Hulu Live, they just added ESPN+ [and Disney+] for free.. So much prospect video content..

[tiamat63]

@unsympathetic said:

For those of you who do Hulu Live, they just added ESPN+ [and Disney+] for free.. So much prospect video content..

Yeah, probably going to be making the switch to Hulu Live and forgo YT TV for next season. 

[nickers]

I would love for us to acquire Olave... I just think he's the smoothest and most fluid receiver in the draft... But I'm certain he won't be there for us...Drake London looks more like a body catcher than a hands catcher... He's physical.. I'll give him that..  But that's where it ends for me on London... I like the other Ohio State kid Garrett Wilson.. I would like for him to have another year with the Bucs before going Pro... But I get it... The money is just too strong to resist.

[Unsympathetic]

@tiamat63 said:

Yeah, probably going to be making the switch to Hulu Live and forgo YT TV for next season. 

Just wait until they bring out the QuadBox so you can watch the all-22 in 4 screens at the same time rather than just one.. so you can half-watch 4 players on the same play

[syd]

how i would dictate the draft would be where is the better talent in the 3rd round  a wr or a dt ? and that would make my decision as to who to draft in the 2nd

[gumby73]

@gumby73 said:

Is somethings brewing at RB 2 or 3 ? either trading Hunt? or gain a 2nd rounder, while losing D'Ernest Johnson at tagged tendered?  

I've heard some RB draftee interviews, saying they 'have a 30 team visit with the Browns'... ?

This one I'd believe... Cooks is one interview(ee), where he said he had a visit coming.. Did he play with Chubb at Ga.? 

 

@MoreForYou_CLE

The #Browns are meeting with Georgia RB James Cook today, who is the brother of star #Vikings RB Dalvin Cook. (Via @JoshNorris)

[gumby73]

The Gumby Browns Guardrails board is set...

(drafting age/game-film & Athletic scores are considered)

Round 1 Grades

1) A.Hutchinson Edge Michigan

2) T.Walker Edge Georgia

3) T.Tribodeaux Edge Georgia

4.) A. Gardner O-CB  Cinn.

5. E. Neal  OT  Bama

6. I. Ekwonu OL  NCST

7. D. Stingley jr.  O-CB  LSU

8. J. Williams  Z-WR    Bama

9. G. Wilson     Z-WR     OSU

10. J. Davis   0techDT   Ga.

11. D. London  X-WR     USC

12. T.Linderbaum  OC   Iowa

13. K. Hamilton    F-DS    N.D.

14. C. Olave   Z-WR    OSU

15. G. Karlaftis    Edge    Purdue

16.A. Booth jr  O-CB Clemson

17. J. Dotson   Z-WR  Penn St.

18. T. Burks     X-WR   Arkansas (man was this close to RD.2, but..)

That's it..That's my list of Round 1 talent we traded on.... effort-ing to sort Rounds 2 & 3

[gumby73]

@gumby73 said:

The Gumby Browns Guardrails board is set...

(drafting age/game-film & Athletic scores are considered)

Round 1 Grades

1) A.Hutchinson Edge Michigan

2) T.Walker Edge Georgia

3) T.Tribodeaux Edge Georgia

4.) A. Gardner O-CB  Cinn.

5. E. Neal  OT  Bama

6. I. Ekwonu OL  NCST

7. D. Stingley jr.  O-CB  LSU

8. J. Williams  Z-WR    Bama

9. G. Wilson     Z-WR     OSU

10. J. Davis   0techDT   Ga.

11. D. London  X-WR     USC

12. T.Linderbaum  OC   Iowa

13. K. Hamilton    F-DS    N.D.

14. C. Olave   Z-WR    OSU

15. G. Karlaftis    Edge    Purdue

16.A. Booth jr  O-CB Clemson

17. J. Dotson   Z-WR  Penn St.

18. T. Burks     X-WR   Arkansas (man was this close to RD.2, but..)

That's it..That's my list of Round 1 talent we traded on.... effort-ing to sort Rounds 2 & 3

Round 2 Grades

19. D. Ojabo ️  Edge  Michigan (he still should go Rd. 1 in my ? heart) but, just maybe?

20. P. Winfrey  3techDT  Oklahoma

21. D. Leal  3techDT/DL     A&M   (see same L. Hall note)

22. G. Pickens X-WR   Ga.

23. T. Jones  0techDT  U.Conn.

24. D. Jackson  Edge   USC

25. Logan Hall  DL    Houston    (where does he play at 283 lbs?)

26. C. Watson  X-WR   NDST

27. S. Moore   Z-WR    W. Mich. ( I like his game/athlete, to well to drop to R3)

28. *D. Hill  F-DS    Mich.   (*here thru pick 31... Doubt they get to here... firm maybe on L. Cine)

29. *K. Gordon  O-CB  Washington 

30. *K. Elam  O-CB     Fla.

31. *T. McDuffie   O-CB    Washington

32. L. Cine     F-DS     Ga.

A Andrew Berry drafting trend..

a) the oldest he's drafted is D. Felton in Rd. 6 at age 23.2...

b.) the youngest was Schwartz at age 20.9.. Age 21 to 22, seems to be his drafting age spot.

DT- D. Wyatt is 24. DE's J.Paschal & B. Mafe are both age 23.5 

 I may do some tweaking up in here^^^(up in here) with any help? whom am I missing? ?

but the timeline says to move to round 3 after work.. I'm firmly not drafting QB/RB/TE/LB or OL at pick #44..

Have a Happy Friday Gents ! ?  and Go Browns !

[MLD Woody]

@gumby73 said:

Round 2 Grades

19. D. Ojabo ️  Edge  Michigan (he still should go Rd. 1 in my ? heart) but, just maybe?

20. P. Winfrey  3techDT  Oklahoma

21. D. Leal  3techDT/DL     A&M   (see same L. Hall note)

22. G. Pickens X-WR   Ga.

23. T. Jones  0techDT  U.Conn.

24. D. Jackson  Edge   USC

25. Logan Hall  DL    Houston    (where does he play at 283 lbs?)

26. C. Watson  X-WR   NDST

27. S. Moore   Z-WR    W. Mich. ( I like his game/athlete, to well to drop to R3)

28. *D. Hill  F-DS    Mich.   (*here thru pick 31... Doubt they get to here... firm maybe on L. Cine)

29. *K. Gordon  O-CB  Washington 

30. *K. Elam  O-CB     Fla.

31. *T. McDuffie   O-CB    Washington

32. L. Cine     F-DS     Ga.

A Andrew Berry drafting trend..

a) the oldest he's drafted is D. Felton in Rd. 6 at age 23.2...

b.) the youngest was Schwartz at age 20.9.. Age 21 to 22, seems to be his drafting age spot.

DT- D. Wyatt is 24. DE's J.Paschal & B. Mafe are both age 23.5 

 I may do some tweaking up in here^^^(up in here) with any help? whom am I missing? ?

but the timeline says to move to round 3 after work.. I'm firmly not drafting QB/RB/TE/LB or OL at pick #44..

Have a Happy Friday Gents ! ?  and Go Browns !

Yeah it is a shame about Ojabo. It'll be hard for any team to take someone in Rd 1 who they won't get anything out of for his first season. 

Well, I just looked up expected recovery times ... Maybe some play during the end of the season but a ton of time lost

[tiamat63]

Possibly my mid round, early day 3 darkhorse for CB.

I love his hip fluidity and eyes.  Also not afraid to attack the ball when he's in phase.

[gumby73]

@gumby73 said:

Round 2 Grades

19. D. Ojabo ️  Edge  Michigan (he still should go Rd. 1 in my ? heart) but, just maybe?

20. P. Winfrey  3techDT  Oklahoma

21. D. Leal  3techDT/DL     A&M   (see same L. Hall note)

22. G. Pickens X-WR   Ga.

23. T. Jones  0techDT  U.Conn.

24. D. Jackson  Edge   USC

25. Logan Hall  DL    Houston    (where does he play at 283 lbs?)

26. C. Watson  X-WR   NDST

27. S. Moore   Z-WR    W. Mich. ( I like his game/athlete, to well to drop to R3)

28. *D. Hill  F-DS    Mich.   (*here thru pick 31... Doubt they get to here... firm maybe on L. Cine)

29. *K. Gordon  O-CB  Washington 

30. *K. Elam  O-CB     Fla.

31. *T. McDuffie   O-CB    Washington

32. L. Cine     F-DS     Ga.

Round 3 Grades

33. E.Ebiketie   Edge   Penn. St

34. C. Harris   M-LB     Bama

35. N. Cross     F-DS     Maryland

36. B. Hall          RB          Iowa St.

36. J. Pitre          F-DS    Baylor

37. N. Bonitto    Edge    Oklahoma

38. T. McBride  Y-TE    Colorado St 

39. Z. Johnson   OL       BC

40. T. Smith         OT       Tulsa

41. R. McCreary  O-CB  Auburn

42. J. Metchie III   Z-WR  Bama

43. D. Faalele         OT        Minn.

44. C. Muma          M-LB   Wyoming  

45.  L. Chenal        M-LB     Wisc.

46. C. Thomas       Edge     SDST

47. T. Andersen    M-LB     Montana

48. J. Brisker         F-DS     Penn St.

49. A. Pierce         X-WR      Cinn.

50. D. Clark            M-LB       LSU

51. D. Bell                Z-WR       Purdue  (low RAS score)

52. J. Salyer            OL            Georgia (low RAS score)

53. G. Dulcich        F-TE         UCLA

54. D. Parham         OL            Memphis

55. C. Austin III     F-WR        Memphis

56. K. Shakir          F-WR         Boise St.

57. D. Kinnard          OL             Kentucky  (scored poorly from Senior bowl thru Pro Day, but not on game-days ?)

major tweaks here to do also, while moving onto round 4...

Good Day gents ! 12 days from Draft Day 

[mjp28]

12 days until it starts for real.  NDD 2022 !

[Dutch Oven]

Less than 2 weeks away! 

Finally got around to getting a Draft Guide, went with Athlon, who knows how good it is, but what the hell. I expect Berry to be aggressive in trying to fill holes like WR, DT and DE. 

[tiamat63]

There are a couple plays I'm going to point out and his adjustment as a DB that gives a subtle nod to his football IQ and matchup awareness.

 @ 10 seconds and work those frames between 10-12 second marks.    Not a fan of the weight distribution and then the "reach" for contact.   Toss in with hips being open early and it creates a recipe ideal for getting beat back inside by bigger receivers.  

@31 seconds is what I'm talking about.    Good stance at snap, nice balance, would like to see the hands up and working a little faster.  But now Mathis has made contact with his inside arm, far side from the direction is hips are naturally opening.   As a result, a long armed receiver like Ross (pretty sure that's Ross?) can fight off that on line aggression early and win back inside.   At that point, it's a matter of playing catchup.    When I said I loved Mathis' hips in my post above, after the loss at the line, he flips and flys.  Looks very fluid in doing it, so that's a nice part of this rep.   But when you lose like that at the LOS, you throttle up to gain ground, Ross sinks his hips, chops his feet and gets around on the deep square with Damarri rolls past him.       Ball didn't go his way, but that's a lost rep IMHO.  The correction to this I saw shortly after, which is a great thing making those adjustments on the fly.

@ 1:14    high at the snap, again reaching well past balance and quality weight distribution to get a jam on the receiver.  I'm not sure if that's how the Pitt coaches are teaching it?  But either way I hate it.   If you pause that frame @ 1:16... it's just teach tape on what NOT to do.   Mathis' is damn near falling over here trying to get physical at the line with Clemson's tall receivers on the perimeter.   He's able to recover, but again he rolls past the receiver breaking off the hitch.    I feel like I'm watching Chimdi Chekwa from tOSU back in the day.  Another DB who played "leggy" - high and a lot of wasted steps.        Btw, DJ for Clemson is garbage this past season.   This play was a TD shot dialed up against Pitts VERY familiar base quarters look.    Tigers coaches got the matchup they wanted and their QB couldn't deliver. 

The adjustment I'm talking about is @ 1:40.     Instead of working contact at the line, DB's with shorter arms create that contact after judging release and getting in phase.    Mathis' is still playing high on the receiver here, but what he does after initial contact is high level.   Reading hands, eyes and feeling the receiver pull up in the route because he's playing high hip, he can create a little more contact and get away from having the yellow laundry thrown on him because he's getting his eyes back around to the ball and not letting the receiver win through contact.  

Granted, this should have been a back shoulder throw.  A buzz, a shoulder fade, whatever you want to ball it.  The ball placement is bad.    But Mathis' getting his eyes back around, having that twitch and discipline, and most importantly being a fluid athlete allows him to go and attack this pass for the INT.    That's veteran material the entire way though.  The IQ to know how you're playing the WR, to know how the offense likes to attack your technique, and then the agility to flip the script.     Good corners deny balls, great corners take errant passes and produce turnovers for their squad.

@ 2:35   Great disguise on the corner pressure.   He didn't sit so far inside the receiver that he tipped it off.  Looks like he's just playing an inside eye.  You also don't see him peeking back inside on his rush lane either with head movement.   Corner blitzes are incredibly risky, but especially so in the day of the RPO and so many post snap sight adjusts.   The last thing you want is a veteran receiver like Ross signaling to his QB that you're coming off that assignment.      It's still a completion, but DJ didn't immediately get his eyes there so credit to the young QB for getting around to his best matchup.  Otherwise it's really about as backyard pitch and catch as you can get.   And credit to Mathis for seeing the QB in his delivery and trying to get a hand up on that ball.   It had to come out a little high, so if that was a shorter receiver, chances are it's an errant throw.  

@ 3:18  I hate bail, but really when it's a 3rd and 7 situation.   I favor playing heavy at the chains and forcing the QB to make a play, especially a young QB like DJ from Clemson.    This throw was behind and outside because both QB and WR aren't on the same page in terms of route depth post snap.    Not a great rep.

@ 3:41 - Again, instead of looking to create contact immediately at the line, Mathis' waits for the release and goes hands on at about 3 yards working to squeeze the receiver to the sideline.  

@ 4:13 - arm length might be a problem for Mathis in the pro's.   He is going against a guy who's 6'4, so it's rare you find corners who win that matchup.   But when you give up that much ground, you can't try to work the chest.  You go for a quick shoulder contact, otherwise you end up exposing your own chest.

@ 5:07 - that's better, getting contact on the shoulder instead of trying to get on the interior pads of a long(er) armed receiver.   Finished by not getting so high on the receiver in such a short field. (Boundary corner)

@ 7:19 - getting off the block by Ross and planting outside for the bounce against this counter pull, then taking the wheels off Shipley.  I have no argument against Mathis' willingness to get physical.  

@ 8:23  Unless he's playing 2 read/palms/trap...   that's a hell of a gamble to take.   He's playing off reading between the 2 to the 1.   Clemson has been using their #2 on these outs against Pitts base quarter looks on early downs to get favorable matchups on their safeties.   Mathis' plants and drives on the #2 to the boundary and almost comes up with another pick.    I'm not entirely sure if that's by design because if it is, that boundary safety inside far enough on that hash that Ross could have beaten him up the sideline a 2nd time.   Either way, good recognition, plant then drive by Damarri. 

That's it for now.  I'm not sure why so much hype, I've seen his named mentioned in the 3rd round.  He's a good enough athlete and is fluid, but he isn't elite twitchy.   Good short area burst and quickness, but his long ball speed is a concern along with his arm length on the outside.  Needs to work on his feet before he gets into live fire NFL snaps, because right now his shit won't work against pros.  That Pitt coaching is going to need to be flushed out to an extent.   But I see upside as a nickel, dime and dime safety role.   Honestly he could come in and be MJ Stewart + the ability to actually be a primary man coverage defender along with expanding into a more "traditional" safety role.  He has the eyes and football I.Q. for it.      Mid Day 3 pick, IMHO.

[gumby73]

Happy Easter Dawgs ! ?     ?

These 16 of the official 30 team visits seems legit...

A reported so called 'flight delay'  moved WR Treylon Burks private (pri) visit to a *VIR - Virtual Zoom Meeting. 

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
VIR - Virtual Meeting.

 Cleveland Browns

• Matt Araiza, Punter, San Diego State (WOR)
• Trevon Bradford, Wide Receiver, Oregon State (PRO)
• Treylon Burks^, Wide Receiver, Arkansas (COM, VIR*)
• James Cook, Running Back, Georgia (PRI)
• Greg Dulcich, Tight End, UCLA (PRI)
• Devin Harper, Linebacker, Oklahoma State (PRI)
• George Karlaftis, Defensive End, Purdue (COM)
• Chase Lucas, Cornerback, Arizona State (PRI)
• EJ Perry, Quarterback, Brown University (VIR)
• Mark Robinson, Linebacker, Ole Miss (WOR)
• Tariquios Tisdale, 3-4 Defensive End, Ole Miss (WOR)
• Christian Watson, Wide Receiver, North Dakota State (PRI)
• Isaiah Weston, Wide Receiver, Northern Iowa (VIR)
• Rachaad White, Running Back, Arizona State (PRI)
• Malik Willis, Quarterback, Liberty (COM)
• Jalen Wydermyer, Tight End, Texas A&M (PRO)

don't get caught up in the hype of team visits.. But, by the end of next week, we should see a completed list..

Kinda odd seeing ?.. not a single DT, has made a Browns team visit ? few DE's ? staying tuned

[Dutch Oven]

Hasn't been many mock drafts this year, so what the hell, with my Athlon's Draft Guide I came up with one for the Browns. 

Rd 2, #44 overall: DE Jermaine Johnson II, Florida State
He's a little rough around the edges, but Johnson has NFL-caliber traits and, with more reps and the right position coach, could emerge as a quality starter and potential star as a 4-3 end or 3-4 outside linebacker.

Rd 3, #78 overall: DT Travis Jones, UConn
His size (6'4", 330lbs), strength and movement skills gives Jones plenty of upside. He'll be a rotational lineman asked to eat blocks but could round into a more complete player as a 1-technique. 

Rd 3, #99 overall: WR Alec Pierce, Cincinnati
He enters the NFL as a downfield specialist. But Pierce's size (6'3", 210lbs) and movement skills suggest he has a chance to become more refined and a more complete receiver.

Rd 4, #118 overall: OT Max Mitchell, Louisiana Lafayette
He won't appeal to teams looking for a mauler, but Mitchell is long-armed and nimble, with the kind of traits to be a quality starter in a scheme that gets him working in space as a run blocker. 

Rd 6, #202 overall: CB Joshua Williams, Fayetteville State
Williams has an intriguing skill set that will appeal to teams interested in long-press corners. 

Rd 7, #223 overall: K Cade York, LSU
One of the better kickers in this year's class, has ability to kick 50+.

Rd 7, #246 overall: ILB James Skalski, Clemson
He's the kind of guy who can win over a coaching staff and stick around the league, but Skalski probably tops out as a fourth linebacker and core special-teamer. 

 

[gumby73]

@tiamat63 said:

Possibly my mid round, early day 3 darkhorse for CB.

May this speaking cat keep his day job ?.. 6'4" Zyon ran a 4.4 flat.. smooth hips/plays angry

don't see as a huge position need.. but for a 6th or 7th? well just maybe..

[Flugel]

@gumby73 said:

May this speaking cat keep his day job ?.. 6'4" Zyon ran a 4.4 flat.. smooth hips/plays angry

don't see as a huge position need.. but for a 6th or 7th? well just maybe..

Great video especially if you turn the sound off.  This looks like a great idea for the 6th or 7th round.  Seattle found a few late round prospects for their Legion of Boom (Byron Maxwell rd 6, Richard Sherman rd 5, Kam Chancellor rd 5, Brandon Browner Undrafted FA).  

With all the attention the Browns have given to the secondary in the draft and Free Agency in recent years - I'd rather have them wait until round 6 or 7 this time around...

[tiamat63]

@gumby73 said:

May this speaking cat keep his day job ?.. 6'4" Zyon ran a 4.4 flat.. smooth hips/plays angry

don't see as a huge position need.. but for a 6th or 7th? well just maybe..

6'4 is just huge at corner.   I don't really mess with highlight tape because it's so sided, but I turned off the volume and watched.  

Patient hips and, naturally given his height, attacks the ball well downfield.   Not sure I'd call him smooth or fluid, especially laterally - which is where corners of that size tend to be vulnerable. 

Funny that Flugs brings up Byron Maxwell, because he's an example of a tall corner (6'2) that the Patriots exploited in the horizontal passing game with Julian Edlemen (5'11) 

But like you said, kicking over late round rocks never hurt anyone.  Might even be priority UDFA.

[Flugel]

@tiamat63 said:

6'4 is just huge at corner.   I don't really mess with highlight tape because it's so sided, but I turned off the volume and watched.  

Patient hips and, naturally given his height, attacks the ball well downfield.   Not sure I'd call him smooth or fluid, especially laterally - which is where corners of that size tend to be vulnerable. 

Funny that Flugs brings up Byron Maxwell, because he's an example of a tall corner (6'2) that the Patriots exploited in the horizontal passing game with Julian Edlemen (5'11) 

But like you said, kicking over late round rocks never hurt anyone.  Might even be priority UDFA.

While true, Edelman beat corners of all sizes when teamed with the GOAT's precision.  I brought up Maxwell more for where he was drafted; and as you reminded us - he started for a team in the Superbowl.  Lucky for Maxwell, the only thing Seattle fans remember about that SB loss was Pete Carroll not using RB Marshawn Lynch on 1st and goal at the 1 yard.  

On the other hand, Richard Sherman is listed at 6'3" and he's a 5 time All Pro that was also selected to the Pro Bowl 5 times.  What some tall guys may lack in some areas can be compensated for in others. For example, the long levers/wing span when closing on the football.  They can also be very beneficial in press coverage.  To your point though, most teams had questions about Sherman or he would have been drafted before round 5.