Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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Not that it really proves anything one way or the other. WTF is going on just after 11 minutes?
Hard to imagine all 22 are lying or that all 22 are telling the whole truth.
WSS
Not that it really proves anything one way or the other. WTF is going on just after 11 minutes?
Hard to imagine all 22 are lying or that all 22 are telling the whole truth.
WSS
Looks like HBO or somebody decided to disable the video, oh well. Of the two chicks the first one scene. Thought I'd like the second one a little bit not so much. Here's a recap from Sports Illustrated.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/25/questions-browns-still-havent-answered-on-deshaun-watson
And I'm guessing it's probably option three.
WSS
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Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money. Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses.
Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more. A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.
Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe.
Current Contract
Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.
His age....base salary....signing bonus.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash. Nice franchise quarterback numbers.

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000 AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000 TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000 FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE bSALARBaseY SIGNING CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2022 27 $1,035,000 $8,993,000 $10,028,000 $230,000,000 $46,000,000($46,000,000) 2023 28 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $219,972,000 $46,000,000($92,000,000) 2024 29 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $164,979,000 $46,000,000($138,000,000) 2025 30 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $109,986,000 $46,000,000($184,000,000) 2026 31 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $54,993,000 $46,000,000($230,000,000) 2027 32 UFA Contract Notes:- $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)
- $44.965M Signing Bonus
- Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension
Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money. Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses.
Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more. A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.
Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe.
Current Contract
Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.
The yearly numbers.....base salary....salary.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash. Nice franchise numbers.

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000 AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000 TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000 FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE bSALARBaseY SIGNING CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2022 27 $1,035,000 $8,993,000 $10,028,000 $230,000,000 $46,000,000($46,000,000) 2023 28 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $219,972,000 $46,000,000($92,000,000) 2024 29 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $164,979,000 $46,000,000($138,000,000) 2025 30 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $109,986,000 $46,000,000($184,000,000) 2026 31 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $54,993,000 $46,000,000($230,000,000) 2027 32 UFA Contract Notes:- $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)
- $44.965M Signing Bonus
- Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension
Yeah, for us peons that's a lot of money... But It's also before taxes. Wonder how guys like Watson shelter that money from the IRS? Top federal rate 37%, Ohio 3.6%, Cleveland 2.5% agent 3%... We're up to 46% and when you're making that much, the amount you can put in an IRA isn't even chump change. Oh- add in another 1.45% Medicare tax, and there's no limit on how much the uber rich have to keep paying.
Wonder if the IRS will let Deshaun deduct that team junket to the Caribbean as a "business expense".
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Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?
Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?
Honestly trying to team build?
A mixture of the 3?
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meanwhile, back to the subject - the preview - on Fox 8 tomorrow at six, a bombastic statement by one of the women who are suing sleazy watson.
so, I saw on the sports news that the browns released Felix Harper, qb.
who is black.
Now, the question I bring up is, with not THAT many black qb's in the NFL, how is it that the browns traded for, signed FOUR black qbs this year? without doing it UNintentionally? It seems to show their desire to be popular with the big cities for bigger network contracts. The giant hideous price they paid for sleazy is the first of four indications that they had some kind of intent to do what they did.
I wouldn't think to ask the question, except for the 3 first round draft picks and guaranteed con......
dammit.
Hilariously ridiculous....maybe all the white QBs keep letting them down so they're trying something else??lol....or maybe...just maybe... you didn't notice that all the quarterbacks are tall, mobile with big arms and 2 of them have solid resumes and 3 of the 4 were very inexpensive?
Hilariously ridiculous....maybe all the white QBs keep letting them down so they're trying something else??lol....or maybe...just maybe... you didn't notice that all the quarterbacks are tall, mobile with big arms and 2 of them have solid resumes and 3 of the 4 were very inexpensive?
ah. then why are they not with their same teams, eh? go figure..... How about DRAFTING a tall, big armed qb dammit?
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Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money. Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses.
Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more. A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.
Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe.
Current Contract
Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.
The yearly numbers.....base salary....salary.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash. Nice franchise numbers.

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000 AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000 TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000 FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE bSALARBaseY SIGNING CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2022 27 $1,035,000 $8,993,000 $10,028,000 $230,000,000 $46,000,000($46,000,000) 2023 28 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $219,972,000 $46,000,000($92,000,000) 2024 29 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $164,979,000 $46,000,000($138,000,000) 2025 30 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $109,986,000 $46,000,000($184,000,000) 2026 31 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $54,993,000 $46,000,000($230,000,000) 2027 32 UFA Contract Notes:- $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)
- $44.965M Signing Bonus
- Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension
Yeah, for us peons that's a lot of money... But It's also before taxes. Wonder how guys like Watson shelter that money from the IRS? Top federal rate 37%, Ohio 3.6%, Cleveland 2.5% agent 3%... We're up to 46% and when you're making that much, the amount you can put in an IRA isn't even chump change. Oh- add in another 1.45% Medicare tax, and there's no limit on how much the uber rich have to keep paying.
Wonder if the IRS will let Deshaun deduct that team junket to the Caribbean as a "business expense".
Yeah, for us peons that's a lot of money... But It's also before taxes. Wonder how guys like Watson shelter that money from the IRS? Top federal rate 37%, Ohio 3.6%, Cleveland 2.5% agent 3%... We're up to 46% and when you're making that much, the amount you can put in an IRA isn't even chump change. Oh- add in another 1.45% Medicare tax, and there's no limit on how much the uber rich have to keep paying.
Wonder if the IRS will let Deshaun deduct that team junket to the Caribbean as a "business expense".
That's what you have tax guys for besides paying the local taxes in each city you play in. YES they all want a cut of these big earners pays.
And 37% isn't really as bad as it was in the past up to 90% but I don't worry about them especially with those 000,000s on their game checks.
I am concerned about the little guys and gals, I started a tax business long ago and turned it over to a friend and she had done quite well with it. I also did taxes for over 30 years just quitting about 6+ years ago. Remember you should be aware of your personal situations and the brackets you are in. And here they are......
Marginal Rates: For tax year 2022, the top tax rate remains 37% for individual single taxpayers with incomes greater than $539,900 ($647,850 for married couples filing jointly).
The other rates are:
35%, for incomes over $215,950 ($431,900 for married couples filing jointly);
32% for incomes over $170,050 ($340,100 for married couples filing jointly);
24% for incomes over $89,075 ($178,150 for married couples filing jointly);
22% for incomes over $41,775 ($83,550 for married couples filing jointly);
12% for incomes over $10,275 ($20,550 for married couples filing jointly).
The lowest rate is 10% for incomes of single individuals with incomes of $10,275 or less ($20,550 for married couples filing jointly). -
Hilariously ridiculous....maybe all the white QBs keep letting them down so they're trying something else??lol....or maybe...just maybe... you didn't notice that all the quarterbacks are tall, mobile with big arms and 2 of them have solid resumes and 3 of the 4 were very inexpensive?
ah. then why are they not with their same teams, eh? go figure..... How about DRAFTING a tall, big armed qb dammit?
How about DRAFTING a tall, big armed qb dammit?
Sure. But we've seen how often that fails or falls woefully short. But when a guy who's already proven in the league comes available...and he's still young...and he's of that upper tier talent level that you're looking for...well...the Rams did it. And if we didn't do it he'd probably have become a Saint. (the irony of that).
Going with the proven NFL talent as opposed to drafting a guy has got to be the odds on better choice. Especially with this past draft class.
All that said, this particular 'proven talent' comes with legal issues which could and probably will result in an availability problem / suspension. And then you're hoping that he keeps his nose clean for the rest of his football career. Finally there's the 3 first rounders...but that's what it costs to do business.
How long have we been floundering...drafting bum QB after bum QB? Do we want to go back to doing that again? Trying to guess which QB in the draft won't be a flop? Keep in mind, the organization (along with some of us here) came to the conclusion that Baker was not good enough to take the team where we all want it to go. - Let's hope they lucked out and are right about Watson.
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Hilariously ridiculous....maybe all the white QBs keep letting them down so they're trying something else??lol....or maybe...just maybe... you didn't notice that all the quarterbacks are tall, mobile with big arms and 2 of them have solid resumes and 3 of the 4 were very inexpensive?
ah. then why are they not with their same teams, eh? go figure..... How about DRAFTING a tall, big armed qb dammit?
ah. then why are they not with their same teams, eh? go figure..... How about DRAFTING a tall, big armed qb dammit?
It hasn't worked yet. How many quarterbacks are drafted every year and how many of them fail? How many of them fail because they aren't very good how many of them would fail because their team sucks? How many of them fail because the front office is fickle and pulls the plug on everything over and over? On the other hand we've had some big tall strong-armed quarterbacks... No cigars.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Watson, but this move seems like it could be more of a sure thing then rolling a dice in the draft.
WSS
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Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money. Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses.
Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more. A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.
Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe.
Current Contract
Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.
His age....base salary....signing bonus.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash. Nice franchise quarterback numbers.

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000 AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000 TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000 FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE bSALARBaseY SIGNING CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2022 27 $1,035,000 $8,993,000 $10,028,000 $230,000,000 $46,000,000($46,000,000) 2023 28 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $219,972,000 $46,000,000($92,000,000) 2024 29 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $164,979,000 $46,000,000($138,000,000) 2025 30 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $109,986,000 $46,000,000($184,000,000) 2026 31 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $54,993,000 $46,000,000($230,000,000) 2027 32 UFA Contract Notes:- $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)
- $44.965M Signing Bonus
- Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension
Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money. Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses.
Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more. A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.
Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe.
Current Contract
Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.
The yearly numbers.....base salary....salary.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash. Nice franchise numbers.

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000 AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000 TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000 FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE bSALARBaseY SIGNING CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2022 27 $1,035,000 $8,993,000 $10,028,000 $230,000,000 $46,000,000($46,000,000) 2023 28 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $219,972,000 $46,000,000($92,000,000) 2024 29 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $164,979,000 $46,000,000($138,000,000) 2025 30 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $109,986,000 $46,000,000($184,000,000) 2026 31 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $54,993,000 $46,000,000($230,000,000) 2027 32 UFA Contract Notes:- $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)
- $44.965M Signing Bonus
- Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension
IMO A Superbowl makes it well worth it!
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ah. then why are they not with their same teams, eh? go figure..... How about DRAFTING a tall, big armed qb dammit?
It hasn't worked yet. How many quarterbacks are drafted every year and how many of them fail? How many of them fail because they aren't very good how many of them would fail because their team sucks? How many of them fail because the front office is fickle and pulls the plug on everything over and over? On the other hand we've had some big tall strong-armed quarterbacks... No cigars.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Watson, but this move seems like it could be more of a sure thing then rolling a dice in the draft.
WSS
It hasn't worked yet. How many quarterbacks are drafted every year and how many of them fail? How many of them fail because they aren't very good how many of them would fail because their team sucks? How many of them fail because the front office is fickle and pulls the plug on everything over and over? On the other hand we've had some big tall strong-armed quarterbacks... No cigars.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Watson, but this move seems like it could be more of a sure thing then rolling a dice in the draft.
WSS
Yes, the odds of any team finding a prototypical 6' 5" 245 lb franchise quarterback are maybe one every 10-20 years. Occasionally you will have one of those QB rich drafts but that's more the exception than the rule.
Can you work with a 6' 5" draftee and turn him into a franchise quarterback same odds. Much easier said than done.
That's why teams spend $×××,×××,××× to land that missing piece of the puzzle.
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It hasn't worked yet. How many quarterbacks are drafted every year and how many of them fail? How many of them fail because they aren't very good how many of them would fail because their team sucks? How many of them fail because the front office is fickle and pulls the plug on everything over and over? On the other hand we've had some big tall strong-armed quarterbacks... No cigars.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Watson, but this move seems like it could be more of a sure thing then rolling a dice in the draft.
WSS
Yes, the odds of any team finding a prototypical 6' 5" 245 lb franchise quarterback are maybe one every 10-20 years. Occasionally you will have one of those QB rich drafts but that's more the exception than the rule.
Can you work with a 6' 5" draftee and turn him into a franchise quarterback same odds. Much easier said than done.
That's why teams spend $×××,×××,××× to land that missing piece of the puzzle.
Yes, the odds of any team finding a prototypical 6' 5" 245 lb franchise quarterback are maybe one every 10-20 years. Occasionally you will have one of those QB rich drafts but that's more the exception than the rule.
Can you work with a 6' 5" draftee and turn him into a franchise quarterback same odds. Much easier said than done.
That's why teams spend $×××,×××,××× to land that missing piece of the puzzle.
good points - but with the current Browns fo drafting BRILLIANTLY compared to all the other years.... they won't draft a qb? Dorsey blah was the general manager back then. Berry and co. have been drafting brilliantly since Berry got in, and guess what? they don't spend ONE first round pick on a qb? If sleazy lowlife is the answer, why have the Browns just shaken up their wr group?
Maybe because the problem hasn't been Baker? maybe the wr group is below par? Like DOUG DIEKEN said? wr's were NOT getting open?
Simply put:
I see sleazy as a lowlife. Many, many other people do, too.
The browns have become a lowlife team. The BIGGEST contract EVER? The nfl is big money corrupt at the top.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/sport/deshaun-watson-nfl-intl-spt-cmd/index.html
and.....
two days ago, after denying he did....
he admits with only three. whatever the truth is, the browns rep now stinks like a two day old run over skunk in the road.
3 days agoDeshaun Watson will not face criminal charges after being accused of sexual misconduct by 22 Houston-area massage therapists, but the court of public opinion might be a different matter.2 days agoDeshaun Watson's lawyer: Trevor Bauer suspension "has no logical connection" to Watson (56) Sam Darnold confident he can be one of the best QBs in the league (53) Titans keep pushing for new ... -
sorry, but this whole stinkpile makes the browns' FO look like a lowlife bunch at the top.
the hugest contract?
where is watson? no records? Baker set records.
- Completions: 1,951 Matt Schaub
- Attempts: 3,020 Matt Schaub
- Completion percentage: 65.6% Sage Rosenfels
- Passing yards: 23,221 Matt Schaub
- Passing yards per game: 258.0 Matt Schaub
- Passing yards per attempt: 8.0 Ryan Fitzpatrick
- Passing touchdowns: 124 Matt Schaub
- Passer rating: 90.9 Matt Schaub
let's see sleazy's career :
SUMMARYCareer
QBrec28-25-0 (he has won only three more games than he LOST?)
Cmp%67.8 (great %)
Yds14539 (lots of years - Baker has 14,125....)
Y/A8.3 (8.3? Baker Mayfield has always been in the 7's)
TD104 (Baker Mayfield has 92, the last year with a broken shoulder)
Int36 (Baker has 56, a lot more, playing with a broken shoulder and didn't have two first round picks at wr)
****************************************so, THIS is the giant leap forward to get to the superbowl?sorry, it won't work, off the field. and on the field, .... will he ever get on it?anybody want kids wearing a "sleazeball" jersey?three first round draft picks. hugest guaranteed contract in history?dammit. If the Panthers sign Baker, I'm rooting for them. And, to be honest, if Baker signs with plenty of other teams, I will tell you I believe Baker will win. So, there ya go. -
The Browns traded multiple picks (2022 first, 2023 first and third and 2024 first and fourth round picks) and gave Watson a 5-year, fully-guaranteed $230 contract.*************************************Josie Brandt is a 33-year-old lifelong Browns fan introduced to the team by a father who played college football. She wanted nothing to do with Watson, who she knew was only in play for the Browns ...********************************************The Browns just announced things on Twitter, but to say plenty of their fans are upset would be an understatement. Watson had more than 20 women come out and accuse him of sexual assault, though
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The Browns traded multiple picks (2022 first, 2023 first and third and 2024 first and fourth round picks) and gave Watson a 5-year, fully-guaranteed $230 contract.*************************************Josie Brandt is a 33-year-old lifelong Browns fan introduced to the team by a father who played college football. She wanted nothing to do with Watson, who she knew was only in play for the Browns ...********************************************The Browns just announced things on Twitter, but to say plenty of their fans are upset would be an understatement. Watson had more than 20 women come out and accuse him of sexual assault, though
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Zombo said:
I think it is because he has $243 M guaranteed.
If I had $243 M, I'd spend $300,000 on you schleps.
And still have $242.7 M
Z
Hell, if I just had a million dollars, I'd buy you guys a green dress, but not a real green dress.
That would be cruel.
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A. .Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?
B. Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?
C. Honestly trying to team build?
And yes A, B, C .....A mixture of the 3?
D. Trying to repair some of the damage he has created.
E. Maybe he feels bad that he got this monster contract -and- has caused the city of Cleveland and the BROWNS to become the NFL laughingstock in the league.
I'm sure there are more.
GO BROWNS !
D. Trying to repair some of the damage he has created.
E. Maybe he feels bad that he got this monster contract -and- has caused the city of Cleveland and the BROWNS to become the NFL laughingstock in the league.
I'm sure there are more.
GO BROWNS !
Laughingstock? You do not honestly believe that. We added a top 5 QB in his prime to a squad that was already stacked on both sides of the football. With Watson on the field, every team in the league will be concerned about facing us.
Main questions now are: how many games will we have to go without him, and will the coaching staff be able to get the most out of all this talent? The latter of which is probably my biggest concern.
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Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?
Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?
Honestly trying to team build?
A mixture of the 3?
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