Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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It hasn't worked yet. How many quarterbacks are drafted every year and how many of them fail? How many of them fail because they aren't very good how many of them would fail because their team sucks? How many of them fail because the front office is fickle and pulls the plug on everything over and over? On the other hand we've had some big tall strong-armed quarterbacks... No cigars.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Watson, but this move seems like it could be more of a sure thing then rolling a dice in the draft.
WSS
Yes, the odds of any team finding a prototypical 6' 5" 245 lb franchise quarterback are maybe one every 10-20 years. Occasionally you will have one of those QB rich drafts but that's more the exception than the rule.
Can you work with a 6' 5" draftee and turn him into a franchise quarterback same odds. Much easier said than done.
That's why teams spend $×××,×××,××× to land that missing piece of the puzzle.
Yes, the odds of any team finding a prototypical 6' 5" 245 lb franchise quarterback are maybe one every 10-20 years. Occasionally you will have one of those QB rich drafts but that's more the exception than the rule.
Can you work with a 6' 5" draftee and turn him into a franchise quarterback same odds. Much easier said than done.
That's why teams spend $×××,×××,××× to land that missing piece of the puzzle.
good points - but with the current Browns fo drafting BRILLIANTLY compared to all the other years.... they won't draft a qb? Dorsey blah was the general manager back then. Berry and co. have been drafting brilliantly since Berry got in, and guess what? they don't spend ONE first round pick on a qb? If sleazy lowlife is the answer, why have the Browns just shaken up their wr group?
Maybe because the problem hasn't been Baker? maybe the wr group is below par? Like DOUG DIEKEN said? wr's were NOT getting open?
Simply put:
I see sleazy as a lowlife. Many, many other people do, too.
The browns have become a lowlife team. The BIGGEST contract EVER? The nfl is big money corrupt at the top.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/sport/deshaun-watson-nfl-intl-spt-cmd/index.html
and.....
two days ago, after denying he did....
he admits with only three. whatever the truth is, the browns rep now stinks like a two day old run over skunk in the road.
3 days agoDeshaun Watson will not face criminal charges after being accused of sexual misconduct by 22 Houston-area massage therapists, but the court of public opinion might be a different matter.2 days agoDeshaun Watson's lawyer: Trevor Bauer suspension "has no logical connection" to Watson (56) Sam Darnold confident he can be one of the best QBs in the league (53) Titans keep pushing for new ... -
sorry, but this whole stinkpile makes the browns' FO look like a lowlife bunch at the top.
the hugest contract?
where is watson? no records? Baker set records.
- Completions: 1,951 Matt Schaub
- Attempts: 3,020 Matt Schaub
- Completion percentage: 65.6% Sage Rosenfels
- Passing yards: 23,221 Matt Schaub
- Passing yards per game: 258.0 Matt Schaub
- Passing yards per attempt: 8.0 Ryan Fitzpatrick
- Passing touchdowns: 124 Matt Schaub
- Passer rating: 90.9 Matt Schaub
let's see sleazy's career :
SUMMARYCareer
QBrec28-25-0 (he has won only three more games than he LOST?)
Cmp%67.8 (great %)
Yds14539 (lots of years - Baker has 14,125....)
Y/A8.3 (8.3? Baker Mayfield has always been in the 7's)
TD104 (Baker Mayfield has 92, the last year with a broken shoulder)
Int36 (Baker has 56, a lot more, playing with a broken shoulder and didn't have two first round picks at wr)
****************************************so, THIS is the giant leap forward to get to the superbowl?sorry, it won't work, off the field. and on the field, .... will he ever get on it?anybody want kids wearing a "sleazeball" jersey?three first round draft picks. hugest guaranteed contract in history?dammit. If the Panthers sign Baker, I'm rooting for them. And, to be honest, if Baker signs with plenty of other teams, I will tell you I believe Baker will win. So, there ya go. -
The Browns traded multiple picks (2022 first, 2023 first and third and 2024 first and fourth round picks) and gave Watson a 5-year, fully-guaranteed $230 contract.*************************************Josie Brandt is a 33-year-old lifelong Browns fan introduced to the team by a father who played college football. She wanted nothing to do with Watson, who she knew was only in play for the Browns ...********************************************The Browns just announced things on Twitter, but to say plenty of their fans are upset would be an understatement. Watson had more than 20 women come out and accuse him of sexual assault, though
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The Browns traded multiple picks (2022 first, 2023 first and third and 2024 first and fourth round picks) and gave Watson a 5-year, fully-guaranteed $230 contract.*************************************Josie Brandt is a 33-year-old lifelong Browns fan introduced to the team by a father who played college football. She wanted nothing to do with Watson, who she knew was only in play for the Browns ...********************************************The Browns just announced things on Twitter, but to say plenty of their fans are upset would be an understatement. Watson had more than 20 women come out and accuse him of sexual assault, though
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Zombo said:
I think it is because he has $243 M guaranteed.
If I had $243 M, I'd spend $300,000 on you schleps.
And still have $242.7 M
Z
Seriously though I'd have a few $million to make it rain with you guys and gals.
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Zombo said:
I think it is because he has $243 M guaranteed.
If I had $243 M, I'd spend $300,000 on you schleps.
And still have $242.7 M
Z
Hell, if I just had a million dollars, I'd buy you guys a green dress, but not a real green dress.
That would be cruel.
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A. .Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?
B. Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?
C. Honestly trying to team build?
And yes A, B, C .....A mixture of the 3?
D. Trying to repair some of the damage he has created.
E. Maybe he feels bad that he got this monster contract -and- has caused the city of Cleveland and the BROWNS to become the NFL laughingstock in the league.
I'm sure there are more.
GO BROWNS !
D. Trying to repair some of the damage he has created.
E. Maybe he feels bad that he got this monster contract -and- has caused the city of Cleveland and the BROWNS to become the NFL laughingstock in the league.
I'm sure there are more.
GO BROWNS !
Laughingstock? You do not honestly believe that. We added a top 5 QB in his prime to a squad that was already stacked on both sides of the football. With Watson on the field, every team in the league will be concerned about facing us.
Main questions now are: how many games will we have to go without him, and will the coaching staff be able to get the most out of all this talent? The latter of which is probably my biggest concern.
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Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?
Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?
Honestly trying to team build?
A mixture of the 3?
Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?
Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?
Honestly trying to team build?
A mixture of the 3?
Nah, money laundering.
He's been watching too much Ozark lately.
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Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money. Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses.
Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more. A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.
Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe.
Current Contract
Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.
His age....base salary....signing bonus.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash. Nice franchise quarterback numbers.
CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000 AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000 TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000 FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE bSALARBaseY SIGNING CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2022 27 $1,035,000 $8,993,000 $10,028,000 $230,000,000 $46,000,000($46,000,000) 2023 28 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $219,972,000 $46,000,000($92,000,000) 2024 29 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $164,979,000 $46,000,000($138,000,000) 2025 30 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $109,986,000 $46,000,000($184,000,000) 2026 31 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $54,993,000 $46,000,000($230,000,000) 2027 32 UFA Contract Notes:- $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)
- $44.965M Signing Bonus
- Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension
Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money. Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses.
Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more. A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.
Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe.
Current Contract
Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.
The yearly numbers.....base salary....salary.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash. Nice franchise numbers.
CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000 AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000 TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000 FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE bSALARBaseY SIGNING CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2022 27 $1,035,000 $8,993,000 $10,028,000 $230,000,000 $46,000,000($46,000,000) 2023 28 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $219,972,000 $46,000,000($92,000,000) 2024 29 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $164,979,000 $46,000,000($138,000,000) 2025 30 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $109,986,000 $46,000,000($184,000,000) 2026 31 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $54,993,000 $46,000,000($230,000,000) 2027 32 UFA Contract Notes:- $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)
- $44.965M Signing Bonus
- Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension
That is a nice chart. Thanks for posting.
While it looks steep today, It probably won't look as steep in a few years.
We keep hearing the cap is going up, though we don't know where that may go. I suspect the teams have a pretty good idea where things are going, and through the NFLPA, agents have a pretty good idea where things are headed. That is why you are seeing guys reluctant to sign, or just demanding large numbers now. Right now Watsons slice of the pic chart may seem out of proportion, but the pie is about to get bigger where his portion will fall in to more of the norm that we are used to.
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Zombo said:
I think it is because he has $243 M guaranteed.
If I had $243 M, I'd spend $300,000 on you schleps.
And still have $242.7 M
Z
Hell, if I just had a million dollars, I'd buy you guys a green dress, but not a real green dress.
That would be cruel.
Hell, if I just had a million dollars, I'd buy you guys a green dress, but not a real green dress.
That would be cruel.
I thought this was more your style. ??
Gaga wearing the meat dress at the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards -
OK Sunday School is over time to go out and play. Or go take a nap.
Meanwhile, we have some really nice T-bones ready to go on the grill. Spinach salad w/buttermilk ranch, black olives, BP w/butter s&p and sour cream. Chocolate mouse pie for dessert.
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Now who didn't see that coming ?
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OK Sunday School is over time to go out and play. Or go take a nap.
Meanwhile, we have some really nice T-bones ready to go on the grill. Spinach salad w/buttermilk ranch, black olives, BP w/butter s&p and sour cream. Chocolate mouse pie for dessert.
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Now who didn't see that coming ?
OK Sunday School is over time to go out and play. Or go take a nap.
Meanwhile, we have some really nice T-bones ready to go on the grill. Spinach salad w/buttermilk ranch, black olives, BP w/butter s&p and sour cream. Chocolate mouse pie for dessert.
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Now who didn't see that coming ?
NY strip, baked 'tater, broccoli, Pine Club onion rings. LOL and plenty of wine. Rombauer chardonnay, Marques de Caceres Rioja Riserva, and a special birthday after dinner treat- a 1992 Taylor Fladgate vintage Port.
Though I don't normally advertise it, besides our British Browns Backer Gareth Hubbard, I also share a birthday with Jerry West.
And before I get grief from the temperance police, haven't had a drop today- yet.
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OK Sunday School is over time to go out and play. Or go take a nap.
Meanwhile, we have some really nice T-bones ready to go on the grill. Spinach salad w/buttermilk ranch, black olives, BP w/butter s&p and sour cream. Chocolate mouse pie for dessert.
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Now who didn't see that coming ?
NY strip, baked 'tater, broccoli, Pine Club onion rings. LOL and plenty of wine. Rombauer chardonnay, Marques de Caceres Rioja Riserva, and a special birthday after dinner treat- a 1992 Taylor Fladgate vintage Port.
Though I don't normally advertise it, besides our British Browns Backer Gareth Hubbard, I also share a birthday with Jerry West.
And before I get grief from the temperance police, haven't had a drop today- yet.
NY strip, baked 'tater, broccoli, Pine Club onion rings. LOL and plenty of wine. Rombauer chardonnay, Marques de Caceres Rioja Riserva, and a special birthday after dinner treat- a 1992 Taylor Fladgate vintage Port.
Though I don't normally advertise it, besides our British Browns Backer Gareth Hubbard, I also share a birthday with Jerry West.
And before I get grief from the temperance police, haven't had a drop today- yet.
We generally go ribeye, porterhouse, strip but occasionally some other cuts demand a look depending on marbling, price and other things. Oh BTW the T-bones were really good tonight, great potatoes and a good spinach salad w/sides of black olives and really juicy artichokes. Mmm-mmm.
Better STOP before we get exiled to the GAMEDAY food thread !
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@calfoxwc said:
If you had stayed out of it, moron, I would have not said anything else.
I'll take you up on that bet for a root beer. If you say nothing more about the Browns QB Watson, you win the root beer. I'll take a caffeine free Coke Zero.
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Just for the record nothing wrong with thinking Watson is a scumbag. I think everyone here, as well as in Berea believes he is and we just all have our own levels of dealing with it.
Also ....
Ahh forget it. I'm having Chinese for Memorial Day.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Just for the record nothing wrong with thinking Watson is a scumbag. I think everyone here, as well as in Berea believes he is and we just all have our own levels of dealing with it.
Also ....
Ahh forget it. I'm having Chinese for Memorial Day.
WSS
Just for the record nothing wrong with thinking Watson is a scumbag. I think everyone here, as well as in Berea believes he is and we just all have our own levels of dealing with it.
Also ....
Ahh forget it. I'm having Chinese for Memorial Day.
WSS
All that being said to try to keep your politics off the BB
Thanks
WSS
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Just for the record nothing wrong with thinking Watson is a scumbag. I think everyone here, as well as in Berea believes he is and we just all have our own levels of dealing with it.
Also ....
Ahh forget it. I'm having Chinese for Memorial Day.
WSS
Ahh forget it. I'm having Chinese for Memorial Day.
WSS
Traitor. ?
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Ahh forget it. I'm having Chinese for Memorial Day.
WSS
Traitor. ?
Traitor. ?
A lot of holidays Susan has her children and grandchildren over for a pool party at I get the hell out of Dodge. I visit my sister in Carrollton and on Memorial Day the only restaurant open what is the Chinese place God bless them. Of course Chop Suey and chow mein are as American as apple pie. Which probably isn't even American anyway. ?
Normally we would visit Jimmy's Backyard BBQ.
WSS
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