Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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...continuing my worthless rant....
Clearly the Browns, the Haslems...and so on, are in a bad spot. The reason why is because, IF this was just some dude going to your run of the mill rub and tug place, it might be offputting, but at least would fall within the range somewhere in society of..."we know this happens, and while we don't condone Watsons choice to visit these establishments...at least at those places you have consenting adults with an understanding of the the transaction happening."
The problem with this whole mess is that Watson hasn't seemed to approach these ladies with the proposition of trading money for rub and tug. He makes the transaction about a massage, then gets aroused by the idea them being shocked/surprised and then blowing up on them or near them, just as he is asking them for a blow job or whatever. Is that a crime? I don't know...but is it a violation of some kind? Yes. It is. If Watson was in it for just the rub and tug..there are 100's of places he could get that done, discretely. He isn't after that. He's in it for the thrill of the surprise. You might get away with it here and there. You might even get away with that 10 or 20 times....but when you are habitually doing this, every week with at least 66 different ladies....you can't expect to keep on getting away with it. Watson is weak minded AND stupid.
As far as football goes....WOW. How do you ever come close to "winning" this or redeaming this?
Watson is going to be tied up in court for a long time with trials etc. The NFL might want to wait unti the trials are over before doing anything becaue they cold be accused of swaying court cases if they act and suspend him while those are ongoing...but they are going to want to bring the hammer on this at some point.
I think it's going to be a year when they bring it. So you guys get a year of nothing football (I suppose you are used to that though) ...and THEN when dude comes back..IF he comes back...he'll have been out of the leauge for 2 full seasons....can he still play? That's a long damn time. ....
If he plays does he suck? ....for the contract to work...he has to play, VERY VERY WELL at some far off time in the future....a future that is looking more and more like he'll lose court cases and be unpopular, controversial...and so on.
So, to sum up....he'll miss alot more time, be an outcast in his own teams town and accross the leauge....on a team that already has the aura of a curse and bad vibes to overcome as it is. You traded big draft picks and are paying an enormous guaranteed contract for the idea that he'll overcome ALL OF THAT? and win? HA!
There is a time not too far off where the Browns are going to try and lawyer out of this contract and cap hit. You can't make this stuff up. Its unreal.
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Here's the latest: I know it's been beat to death and I know we have to almost identical threads. Don't know if Mike or Larry or Zombo would choose to combine them, I'll leave it up to you.
WSS
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I'll post this again since we have two nearly identical threads. Just the latest on a story that's been beaten nearly to death but it is what it is.
Hypothetical: could the Browns cut their losses with Watson and make peace with Mayfield?
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Haslam and Berry prove once again they aren't smarter than everyone else... I knew this was a bad deal from the get go... Even if they cut their losses... They're still screwed... We're not getting those picks back and Texas is laughing all the way to the draft board... Cleveland deserves better than this... Clearly Watson has lied... I say the season is lost before it even started.. LOL Browns... As a lifelong Browns fan.. I'm embarrassed for this team... This town and it's fans... I just don't see a championship happening in my lifetime ..
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What's up dudes? I'm back for just a moment. Hope life is going well for everyone-we're expecting our second kiddo!
I'm not here to check-in to have a victory parade of how I told you all this was a bad idea, even though it was an absolute moronic decision. Let's break down what's happened, though, in the last several weeks
- 2 more lawsuits are opened up, with one being admitted by Watson's lawyers as a person they did not know about. Red flag galore there.
- We're at the point where the legal defense for Watson is using the classic "yeah he did it, but it wasn't illegal" argument.
- Credible reporting has surfaced that he was willing to settle cases to play in Miami (something he has markedly said he wouldn't do). Read the tea leaves here, fellas-Cleveland wasn't even close to his first choice. He just took the money cause he knew the shit he didn't tell the NFL, the Browns, and even his lawyers.
- Credible reporting is now that 66 massages were sought, and the Texans helped him get NDA's.
Do you really think this is everything? Do you think this dude wasn't doing shit in college when he was the #1 man on campus? That there likely isn't more "massages" before the Texans got involved?
The Haslams took a pathetic, half-brained, and short-sighted gamble and lost. The NFL, at a minimum, will suspend this dude for a year. There's absolutely no way they can't. So now the team is in a position of paying a sexual predator $45 million or so dollars who hasn't played a down in 2.5 years.
It's time to cut an run, and I hope the Browns realize that too. I'm guessing strongly good chunks of this information was not known by the NFL or the Browns. Use that as the basis to void his contract-unless they are the dumbest people on planet earth, I have to believe there is language to do so in his deal.
From here, fight like hell to get the first round picks back. If it ends up being true the Texans were knowingly helping Watson engage in this behavior, there may be a case to warrant the trade was not completed in good faith. Who knows, though, on that one. From here the team has to roll with Jacoby, Mayfield ain't coming back. Focus on 2023 as that QB class is loaded.
My position remains the same-so long as Watson sets food on the field I'm not watching. The thing is though, this isn't even the "tough" decision anymore. It's the common sense one, but unfortunately it's very unlikely to happen.
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I don't know what the issue is, I've ordered massages off Craiglist before. Only woke up missing a kidney the one time.
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I don't know what the issue is, I've ordered massages off Craiglist before. Only woke up missing a kidney the one time.
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Headline chasers anyone ? I've always tried to look at the bright side but until this mess is done, well ?
A lot of worst case scenarios here, BROWNS stuck with DW and his monster contract. DW never plays in the NFL again. BROWNS lose both DW and Mayfield and have to play 2022 with backup quarterbacks.
BROWNS miss the 2022 playoffs entirely.
BROWNS never fully recover from this DW fiasco.
After living through the Hue years this with the high expectations might be worse.
Yahoo Sports headline story June 8, 2022. OMG.
Report: Deshaun Watson met with at least 66 women for massages in 17 months; Texans may have 'enabled' behavior
Charles Robinson·NFL columnistTue, June 7, 2022, 6:19 PM·5 min read -
I don't know what the issue is, I've ordered massages off Craiglist before. Only woke up missing a kidney the one time.
I don't know what the issue is, I've ordered massages off Craiglist before. Only woke up missing a kidney the one time.
Could be worse....two ? Oh God I shutter to think about either.
OK could have woke up with crabs.
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What's up dudes? I'm back for just a moment. Hope life is going well for everyone-we're expecting our second kiddo!
I'm not here to check-in to have a victory parade of how I told you all this was a bad idea, even though it was an absolute moronic decision. Let's break down what's happened, though, in the last several weeks
- 2 more lawsuits are opened up, with one being admitted by Watson's lawyers as a person they did not know about. Red flag galore there.
- We're at the point where the legal defense for Watson is using the classic "yeah he did it, but it wasn't illegal" argument.
- Credible reporting has surfaced that he was willing to settle cases to play in Miami (something he has markedly said he wouldn't do). Read the tea leaves here, fellas-Cleveland wasn't even close to his first choice. He just took the money cause he knew the shit he didn't tell the NFL, the Browns, and even his lawyers.
- Credible reporting is now that 66 massages were sought, and the Texans helped him get NDA's.
Do you really think this is everything? Do you think this dude wasn't doing shit in college when he was the #1 man on campus? That there likely isn't more "massages" before the Texans got involved?
The Haslams took a pathetic, half-brained, and short-sighted gamble and lost. The NFL, at a minimum, will suspend this dude for a year. There's absolutely no way they can't. So now the team is in a position of paying a sexual predator $45 million or so dollars who hasn't played a down in 2.5 years.
It's time to cut an run, and I hope the Browns realize that too. I'm guessing strongly good chunks of this information was not known by the NFL or the Browns. Use that as the basis to void his contract-unless they are the dumbest people on planet earth, I have to believe there is language to do so in his deal.
From here, fight like hell to get the first round picks back. If it ends up being true the Texans were knowingly helping Watson engage in this behavior, there may be a case to warrant the trade was not completed in good faith. Who knows, though, on that one. From here the team has to roll with Jacoby, Mayfield ain't coming back. Focus on 2023 as that QB class is loaded.
My position remains the same-so long as Watson sets food on the field I'm not watching. The thing is though, this isn't even the "tough" decision anymore. It's the common sense one, but unfortunately it's very unlikely to happen.
What's up dudes? I'm back for just a moment. Hope life is going well for everyone-we're expecting our second kiddo!
I'm not here to check-in to have a victory parade of how I told you all this was a bad idea, even though it was an absolute moronic decision. Let's break down what's happened, though, in the last several weeks
- 2 more lawsuits are opened up, with one being admitted by Watson's lawyers as a person they did not know about. Red flag galore there.
- We're at the point where the legal defense for Watson is using the classic "yeah he did it, but it wasn't illegal" argument.
- Credible reporting has surfaced that he was willing to settle cases to play in Miami (something he has markedly said he wouldn't do). Read the tea leaves here, fellas-Cleveland wasn't even close to his first choice. He just took the money cause he knew the shit he didn't tell the NFL, the Browns, and even his lawyers.
- Credible reporting is now that 66 massages were sought, and the Texans helped him get NDA's.
Do you really think this is everything? Do you think this dude wasn't doing shit in college when he was the #1 man on campus? That there likely isn't more "massages" before the Texans got involved?
The Haslams took a pathetic, half-brained, and short-sighted gamble and lost. The NFL, at a minimum, will suspend this dude for a year. There's absolutely no way they can't. So now the team is in a position of paying a sexual predator $45 million or so dollars who hasn't played a down in 2.5 years.
It's time to cut an run, and I hope the Browns realize that too. I'm guessing strongly good chunks of this information was not known by the NFL or the Browns. Use that as the basis to void his contract-unless they are the dumbest people on planet earth, I have to believe there is language to do so in his deal.
From here, fight like hell to get the first round picks back. If it ends up being true the Texans were knowingly helping Watson engage in this behavior, there may be a case to warrant the trade was not completed in good faith. Who knows, though, on that one. From here the team has to roll with Jacoby, Mayfield ain't coming back. Focus on 2023 as that QB class is loaded.
My position remains the same-so long as Watson sets food on the field I'm not watching. The thing is though, this isn't even the "tough" decision anymore. It's the common sense one, but unfortunately it's very unlikely to happen.
My sentiments exactly. It's become worse than even I thought it was. I do wish there was a way to get those draft picks back...but I will bet there isn't. The texans will have none of it, I think. They had to be dancing in the stadium offices when they pulled that one off.
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What's up dudes? I'm back for just a moment. Hope life is going well for everyone-we're expecting our second kiddo!
I'm not here to check-in to have a victory parade of how I told you all this was a bad idea, even though it was an absolute moronic decision. Let's break down what's happened, though, in the last several weeks
- 2 more lawsuits are opened up, with one being admitted by Watson's lawyers as a person they did not know about. Red flag galore there.
- We're at the point where the legal defense for Watson is using the classic "yeah he did it, but it wasn't illegal" argument.
- Credible reporting has surfaced that he was willing to settle cases to play in Miami (something he has markedly said he wouldn't do). Read the tea leaves here, fellas-Cleveland wasn't even close to his first choice. He just took the money cause he knew the shit he didn't tell the NFL, the Browns, and even his lawyers.
- Credible reporting is now that 66 massages were sought, and the Texans helped him get NDA's.
Do you really think this is everything? Do you think this dude wasn't doing shit in college when he was the #1 man on campus? That there likely isn't more "massages" before the Texans got involved?
The Haslams took a pathetic, half-brained, and short-sighted gamble and lost. The NFL, at a minimum, will suspend this dude for a year. There's absolutely no way they can't. So now the team is in a position of paying a sexual predator $45 million or so dollars who hasn't played a down in 2.5 years.
It's time to cut an run, and I hope the Browns realize that too. I'm guessing strongly good chunks of this information was not known by the NFL or the Browns. Use that as the basis to void his contract-unless they are the dumbest people on planet earth, I have to believe there is language to do so in his deal.
From here, fight like hell to get the first round picks back. If it ends up being true the Texans were knowingly helping Watson engage in this behavior, there may be a case to warrant the trade was not completed in good faith. Who knows, though, on that one. From here the team has to roll with Jacoby, Mayfield ain't coming back. Focus on 2023 as that QB class is loaded.
My position remains the same-so long as Watson sets food on the field I'm not watching. The thing is though, this isn't even the "tough" decision anymore. It's the common sense one, but unfortunately it's very unlikely to happen.
My sentiments exactly. It's become worse than even I thought it was. I do wish there was a way to get those draft picks back...but I will bet there isn't. The texans will have none of it, I think. They had to be dancing in the stadium offices when they pulled that one off.
My sentiments exactly. It's become worse than even I thought it was. I do wish there was a way to get those draft picks back...but I will bet there isn't. The texans will have none of it, I think. They had to be dancing in the stadium offices when they pulled that one off.
The Texans were rewarded heavily for this. This Code of Conduct the NFL is investigating will only sock it to Cleveland not the team that actually employed Watson the time all this was going on. Make sense? It shouldn't. Watson was the face of their franchise; and they sure seem pretty damn well informed on what he was doing in their community.
All the Browns had to do was keep the QB that won a playoff game as recently as January of 2021 (when healthy) for the 5th and final year of his contract they agreed/committed to. If he ended up playing as poorly as he did last year, the Browns would be in ideal position to draft a QB in what is considered to be a pretty strong QB draft in 2023.
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Texans have been added as defendant in Watson lawsuits
This has become a fun Gordian knot for The Shield
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So since he signed the massive deal he’s had two new civil cases brought against him. I don’t find this surprising at all. In fact, I’d expect more to show up after his well publicized guaranteed contract that everyone had a problem with.
There were 22 when he was traded. 12 of 22 were brought forward to a grand jury for criminal charges and all of those failed to render an indictment. Can Florio explain the significance of that?
And We know the owners are upset especially the ones that are getting ready to pay “franchise QBs”
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At this point, time to pray to the patron saint of bad football personnel decisions that eventually it is found out that Houston was so shady in their Watson situation that the NFL declares the trade null and void, the Browns trade picks are reinstated and the Browns move on to the 2022 season basically in tankish mode. (Not full tank mode, the roster is too good for that, but the Browns aren't sniffing the playoffs with Brissett as the starter. Hell, they probably weren't making the playoffs with Baker).
I have little to no faith that this will happen, though.
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Please dump this dumb mother fucker already... This ship is sinking fast!
In for a penny, in for a pound. We have to play this out. We cannot just throw in our cards and quit. We are too heavily invested. And I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about all of the draft picks. We aren't just gonna flush those down the toilet. We have to play this out to a logical conclusion, whatever that may wind up being, and not knee jerk anything.
Look at it this way, It's just the 21st Century Browns being the 21st Century Browns.
(we were such a respected team in the 20th Century. Thanks Art. Thanks so much. You peckahead!)
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Please dump this dumb mother fucker already... This ship is sinking fast!
In for a penny, in for a pound. We have to play this out. We cannot just throw in our cards and quit. We are too heavily invested. And I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about all of the draft picks. We aren't just gonna flush those down the toilet. We have to play this out to a logical conclusion, whatever that may wind up being, and not knee jerk anything.
Look at it this way, It's just the 21st Century Browns being the 21st Century Browns.
(we were such a respected team in the 20th Century. Thanks Art. Thanks so much. You peckahead!)
In for a penny, in for a pound. We have to play this out. We cannot just throw in our cards and quit. We are too heavily invested. And I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about all of the draft picks. We aren't just gonna flush those down the toilet. We have to play this out to a logical conclusion, whatever that may wind up being, and not knee jerk anything.
Look at it this way, It's just the 21st Century Browns being the 21st Century Browns.
(we were such a respected team in the 20th Century. Thanks Art. Thanks so much. You peckahead!)
I'm afraid that there's not a whole bunch more we can do but play this thing out......and read the latest headlines on the sports, legal and latest joke pages.
GO BROWNS, we still love ya'.
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I don't know what the issue is, I've ordered massages off Craiglist before. Only woke up missing a kidney the one time.
I don't know what the issue is, I've ordered massages off Craiglist before. Only woke up missing a kidney the one time.
Sounds like the J Giles song... "No anchovies, please". We may have ended up with a $200 million dollar bowling ball.
Looks like the Browns really didn't do "due diligence". Watson lied to them, and Berry is now chain smoking.
Cleveland's only hope is Goodell and the NFL step in and void the (remaining parts of) the deal.
Seriously, in the modern era of football, this level of sleaze- assuming even 1\2 of the reports are correct- is unprecedented. You'd have to go back decades and to a different sport (basketball) to find something similar. I won't name him because he's dead, but the initials are WC.
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