Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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the other one was in a parking lot, the guy was right next to my car when I parked, and he was wearing a Brownie hat.
Sorry, I wish it had been at a hardware store, but I needed veggies for my vidalia onion relish. I made and canned 23 pints. It goes on hot dogs, subs, sandwiches.... it is superior to any I've ever bought in a store.
I haven't met anyone talking about the browns while hiking in our woods or I would post that.
the other one was in a parking lot, the guy was right next to my car when I parked, and he was wearing a Brownie hat.
Sorry, I wish it had been at a hardware store, but I needed veggies for my vidalia onion relish. I made and canned 23 pints. It goes on hot dogs, subs, sandwiches.... it is superior to any I've ever bought in a store.
I haven't met anyone talking about the browns while hiking in our woods or I would post that.
Wnen I go for fresh stuff at the Farmers Market every Tuesday morning, I'll look for Browns fans and get their opinions on the matter. More likely to just get their onions though. BTW one local farmer and his wife there have the best tomatoes we've gotten since living in N.C. 50+ years ago at a roadside stand. We've been eating 'em fresh every which way you can make 'em including just a plain old tomato sandwich with real thick slices. Yum!!
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In for a penny, in for a pound. We have to play this out. We cannot just throw in our cards and quit. We are too heavily invested. And I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about all of the draft picks. We aren't just gonna flush those down the toilet. We have to play this out to a logical conclusion, whatever that may wind up being, and not knee jerk anything.
Look at it this way, It's just the 21st Century Browns being the 21st Century Browns.
(we were such a respected team in the 20th Century. Thanks Art. Thanks so much. You peckahead!)
Bullshit... This guy is a stupid asshole whose added another black eye to the franchise... This POS needs to be sent packing ... FAST!
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This could be in the Terry Pluto thread as well but here it is.
WSS
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So get it over with…the media wants blood…suspend him for a year.
some of you are ridiculous.…and way too self righteous.
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So get it over with…the media wants blood…suspend him for a year.
some of you are ridiculous.…and way too self righteous.
So get it over with…the media wants blood…suspend him for a year.
some of you are ridiculous.…and way too self righteous.
No one is being righteous about handies. No one cares that athletes etc get those. That's consenting adults. It isn't pretentious to expect your personal space to respected and so on. I have no doubt in my mind that if you took your care to a mechanic for repair, and you opened the hood to point out the problem, and then the mechanic, who gets off on dudes like you, bending over the engine of a car, rubs up against you with his full on chubb from behind. Would anyone be too self righteous to claim that what the mechanic did was a violation of your rights/ your space....and then you find out he's been doing that to ever customer that shows up? Now if you had called the mechanic up and said, lets do some gay role play...I'll drive my car up to your shop, and when I bend over and my ass is all up in the air, you walk up behind me and grind your bulge into my butt....thats consent between adults. Do whatever you want. That isn't what Watson did.
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So get it over with…the media wants blood…suspend him for a year.
some of you are ridiculous.…and way too self righteous.
No one is being righteous about handies. No one cares that athletes etc get those. That's consenting adults. It isn't pretentious to expect your personal space to respected and so on. I have no doubt in my mind that if you took your care to a mechanic for repair, and you opened the hood to point out the problem, and then the mechanic, who gets off on dudes like you, bending over the engine of a car, rubs up against you with his full on chubb from behind. Would anyone be too self righteous to claim that what the mechanic did was a violation of your rights/ your space....and then you find out he's been doing that to ever customer that shows up? Now if you had called the mechanic up and said, lets do some gay role play...I'll drive my car up to your shop, and when I bend over and my ass is all up in the air, you walk up behind me and grind your bulge into my butt....thats consent between adults. Do whatever you want. That isn't what Watson did.
The above was way too descriptive. Think you just re-earned your name here.?
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So he went out and upgraded the most important position, which is his job. The problem is, he upgraded the starting QB with a player so toxic, such a public relations nightmare that I think it could very well cost Andrew Berry his job.
I'm thinking Jimmy H gave the green light, told Berry to go all-in.
I don't think you need an Ivy League education to suspect something was up with Watson.
I'm thinking Jimmy H gave the green light, told Berry to go all-in.
I'm certainly no expert of Watson's language in his contract... but He's hugely commitment'd come March of 2023
"In this case, Next March 1st of 2023.. The Browns (Haslam) are going to have to deposit a number close to $170/$180M in what amounts to an escrow account, where the guaranteed money gets held that is owed to the player in the future,"
“As it relates to Watson’s contract, it means that the Browns will be required, per a source with knowledge of the formula and policy, to place $169 million into escrow as of March 31, 2023. As the source explained it, the league takes a snapshot of all fully guaranteed salaries on January 31 of each year. Any fully guaranteed payments not made by March 31 must be placed in escrow, up to 75 percent of the total contract value. Also, each team has a $15 million annual allowance. Under the terms of Watson’s current deal, it works out to be a major chunk of cash that [Browns owner Jimmy Haslam] must set aside next year.
The contract is fully guaranteed and includes a $44.965 million signing bonus, and includes a no-trade clause through the entire contract.
Is anybody certain of Watson's contract language up until March 1st of 2023? ?
Happy FriDaY ! ?
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Interesting proposal straight-up trade for Sam Darnold. Everybody's off the hook. I would prefer a straight-up trade for Drew Locke but....
Also how great would it be if the Houston Texans who facilitated this Behavior with the hotel room and the nondisclosure contracts were docked all of the first round draft picks they stole from us.
WSS
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I'm thinking Jimmy H gave the green light, told Berry to go all-in.
I'm certainly no expert of Watson's language in his contract... but He's hugely commitment'd come March of 2023
"In this case, Next March 1st of 2023.. The Browns (Haslam) are going to have to deposit a number close to $170/$180M in what amounts to an escrow account, where the guaranteed money gets held that is owed to the player in the future,"
“As it relates to Watson’s contract, it means that the Browns will be required, per a source with knowledge of the formula and policy, to place $169 million into escrow as of March 31, 2023. As the source explained it, the league takes a snapshot of all fully guaranteed salaries on January 31 of each year. Any fully guaranteed payments not made by March 31 must be placed in escrow, up to 75 percent of the total contract value. Also, each team has a $15 million annual allowance. Under the terms of Watson’s current deal, it works out to be a major chunk of cash that [Browns owner Jimmy Haslam] must set aside next year.
The contract is fully guaranteed and includes a $44.965 million signing bonus, and includes a no-trade clause through the entire contract.
Is anybody certain of Watson's contract language up until March 1st of 2023? ?
Happy FriDaY ! ?
I'm certainly no expert of Watson's language in his contract... but He's hugely commitment'd come March of 2023
"In this case, Next March 1st of 2023.. The Browns (Haslam) are going to have to deposit a number close to $170/$180M in what amounts to an escrow account, where the guaranteed money gets held that is owed to the player in the future,"
“As it relates to Watson’s contract, it means that the Browns will be required, per a source with knowledge of the formula and policy, to place $169 million into escrow as of March 31, 2023. As the source explained it, the league takes a snapshot of all fully guaranteed salaries on January 31 of each year. Any fully guaranteed payments not made by March 31 must be placed in escrow, up to 75 percent of the total contract value. Also, each team has a $15 million annual allowance. Under the terms of Watson’s current deal, it works out to be a major chunk of cash that [Browns owner Jimmy Haslam] must set aside next year.
The contract is fully guaranteed and includes a $44.965 million signing bonus, and includes a no-trade clause through the entire contract.
Is anybody certain of Watson's contract language up until March 1st of 2023? ?
Happy FriDaY ! ?
That may be where the BROWNS are right now having their lawyers trying to figure out if they can get out from under this dead elephant.
See: Void or voidable contracts for a start. And good luck with getting out of a contract it's not an easy thing to do.
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If Deshaun was really up to no good all along, and the Texans had at least an inkling on what the situation was (if not complete knowledge,) why then would the Texans hold out trading Deshaun for maximum compensation? If the Texans were somehow complicit in some way, and/or knew at least partially the full scope of Watson's behavior, it seems to me they would be (surreptitiously) EAGER to cut ties with him, BEFORE news of their complicity AND/OR the full scope of DeShaun's activities became public [the point (it would appear) we are at now - although perhaps there is more to come.] Why play hardball in holding onto an asset whose value in the near future could approach zero (that near future being now,) when you could get something good for him (one and a two, one and a player, two first rounders, combinations thereof) before the other shoe drops? Why draw a line in the sand at 3 first rounders when time is definitely NOT on your side? Ultimately it worked in their favor, at least for now, but clearly that may not have been the case.
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If Deshaun was really up to no good all along, and the Texans had at least an inkling on what the situation was (if not complete knowledge,) why then would the Texans hold out trading Deshaun for maximum compensation? If the Texans were somehow complicit in some way, and/or knew at least partially the full scope of Watson's behavior, it seems to me they would be (surreptitiously) EAGER to cut ties with him, BEFORE news of their complicity AND/OR the full scope of DeShaun's activities became public [the point (it would appear) we are at now - although perhaps there is more to come.] Why play hardball in holding onto an asset whose value in the near future could approach zero (that near future being now,) when you could get something good for him (one and a two, one and a player, two first rounders, combinations thereof) before the other shoe drops? Why draw a line in the sand at 3 first rounders when time is definitely NOT on your side? Ultimately it worked in their favor, at least for now, but clearly that may not have been the case.
If Deshaun was really up to no good all along, and the Texans had at least an inkling on what the situation was (if not complete knowledge,) why then would the Texans hold out trading Deshaun for maximum compensation? If the Texans were somehow complicit in some way, and/or knew at least partially the full scope of Watson's behavior, it seems to me they would be (surreptitiously) EAGER to cut ties with him, BEFORE news of their complicity AND/OR the full scope of DeShaun's activities became public [the point (it would appear) we are at now - although perhaps there is more to come.] Why play hardball in holding onto an asset whose value in the near future could approach zero (that near future being now,) when you could get something good for him (one and a two, one and a player, two first rounders, combinations thereof) before the other shoe drops? Why draw a line in the sand at 3 first rounders when time is definitely NOT on your side? Ultimately it worked in their favor, at least for now, but clearly that may not have been the case.
If they paid for the hotel room for the 60 plus massages and if they insisted on the non-disclosure they were most certainly not on the up-and-up.
WSS
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I'm certainly no expert of Watson's language in his contract... but He's hugely commitment'd come March of 2023
"In this case, Next March 1st of 2023.. The Browns (Haslam) are going to have to deposit a number close to $170/$180M in what amounts to an escrow account, where the guaranteed money gets held that is owed to the player in the future,"
“As it relates to Watson’s contract, it means that the Browns will be required, per a source with knowledge of the formula and policy, to place $169 million into escrow as of March 31, 2023. As the source explained it, the league takes a snapshot of all fully guaranteed salaries on January 31 of each year. Any fully guaranteed payments not made by March 31 must be placed in escrow, up to 75 percent of the total contract value. Also, each team has a $15 million annual allowance. Under the terms of Watson’s current deal, it works out to be a major chunk of cash that [Browns owner Jimmy Haslam] must set aside next year.
The contract is fully guaranteed and includes a $44.965 million signing bonus, and includes a no-trade clause through the entire contract.
Is anybody certain of Watson's contract language up until March 1st of 2023? ?
Happy FriDaY ! ?
That may be where the BROWNS are right now having their lawyers trying to figure out if they can get out from under this dead elephant.
See: Void or voidable contracts for a start. And good luck with getting out of a contract it's not an easy thing to do.
That may be where the BROWNS are right now having their lawyers trying to figure out if they can get out from under this dead elephant.
See: Void or voidable contracts for a start. And good luck with getting out of a contract it's not an easy thing to do.
Honestly I don’t think they are. If criminal charges came later I’d agree with you.
I believe the FO thought this would be an 8 game suspension. It is now feeling like a season. So they’d have four after this- why are we talking about cutting at this point?
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Interesting proposal straight-up trade for Sam Darnold. Everybody's off the hook. I would prefer a straight-up trade for Drew Locke but....
Also how great would it be if the Houston Texans who facilitated this Behavior with the hotel room and the nondisclosure contracts were docked all of the first round draft picks they stole from us.
WSS
Also how great would it be if the Houston Texans who facilitated this Behavior with the hotel room and the nondisclosure contracts were docked all of the first round draft picks they stole from us.
WSS
I've been wondering if that scenario is possible, sure seems like it. But I keep asking myself, why would Buzbee bring the Texans into the suit, if it could harm them?
I'm not a fan of lawyers but this is where they're needed. Complicated stuff.
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Also how great would it be if the Houston Texans who facilitated this Behavior with the hotel room and the nondisclosure contracts were docked all of the first round draft picks they stole from us.
WSS
I've been wondering if that scenario is possible, sure seems like it. But I keep asking myself, why would Buzbee bring the Texans into the suit, if it could harm them?
I'm not a fan of lawyers but this is where they're needed. Complicated stuff.
I've been wondering if that scenario is possible, sure seems like it. But I keep asking myself, why would Buzbee bring the Texans into the suit, if it could harm them?
I'm not a fan of lawyers but this is where they're needed. Complicated stuff.
I thought those revelations were from The New York Times story but part of his evidence? Not sure.
As far as lawyers I don't like crooks weasels or snakes unless they are working for me. ?
WSS
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That may be where the BROWNS are right now having their lawyers trying to figure out if they can get out from under this dead elephant.
See: Void or voidable contracts for a start. And good luck with getting out of a contract it's not an easy thing to do.
Honestly I don’t think they are. If criminal charges came later I’d agree with you.
I believe the FO thought this would be an 8 game suspension. It is now feeling like a season. So they’d have four after this- why are we talking about cutting at this point?
Honestly I don’t think they are. If criminal charges came later I’d agree with you.
I believe the FO thought this would be an 8 game suspension. It is now feeling like a season. So they’d have four after this- why are we talking about cutting at this point?
A lot of this is around timing 0, 8, 17 games lost ? I wonder if the Browns FO know more than the public know on this -or- are they just going through this one day at a time. It's taxing on all of us.
Are the BROWNS satisfied with his contract as is if they can (not likely) get out of some of the guarantees
And is all of the DW character stuff already out there and not going to do further damage to the team ? We'll see.......
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This could be in the Terry Pluto thread as well but here it is.
WSS
This could be in the Terry Pluto thread as well but here it is.
WSS
You beat me to it Steve... However, that link is hiding behind the Cleveland.com paywall... BUT... I was able to see the entire article on my phone.
EDIT- As Terry pointed out... this was pretty shady on the Texans part... If a player is getting "massages", teams will want (usually insist) the player getting them at the team facility where they can be supervised, not in some hotel room.
BTW 66 women\ 18 months = one every 8 days, give or take a few... Deshaun was buying himself a lot of happiness.
Don't know- but it sure is starting to look like Watson was actively soliciting prostitution (for over a year) under the guise of "massages". This is getting so ugly... I'm almost hoping the NFL steps in, puts Deshaun on indefinite suspension, and voids the rest of his deal.
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This could be in the Terry Pluto thread as well but here it is.
WSS
You beat me to it Steve... However, that link is hiding behind the Cleveland.com paywall... BUT... I was able to see the entire article on my phone.
EDIT- As Terry pointed out... this was pretty shady on the Texans part... If a player is getting "massages", teams will want (usually insist) the player getting them at the team facility where they can be supervised, not in some hotel room.
BTW 66 women\ 18 months = one every 8 days, give or take a few... Deshaun was buying himself a lot of happiness.
Don't know- but it sure is starting to look like Watson was actively soliciting prostitution (for over a year) under the guise of "massages". This is getting so ugly... I'm almost hoping the NFL steps in, puts Deshaun on indefinite suspension, and voids the rest of his deal.
You beat me to it Steve... However, that link is hiding behind the Cleveland.com paywall... BUT... I was able to see the entire article on my phone.
As Terry pointed out... this was pretty shady on the Texans part... If a player is getting "massages", teams will want (usually insist) the player getting them at the team facility where they can be supervised, not in some hotel room.
BTW 66 women\ 18 months = one every 8 days, give or take a few... Deshaun was buying himself a lot of happiness.
Don't know- but it sure looks like Watson was actively soliciting prostitution under the guise of "massages".
The man .. And I use the term "Man" loosely has a serious sex problem... He's a Dupa and I hope he never gets one snap with the Browns... He can't even control himself... How in fuck can he lead a group of men?
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