Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/paid-leave-back-table-deshaun-000859333.html
Does it seem like paid leave only punishes the browns?
WSS
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/paid-leave-back-table-deshaun-000859333.html
Does it seem like paid leave only punishes the browns?
WSS
LOL!!!!!!!!!! The Browns having to bear the burden of whatever comes of this is WHY YOU DONT MAKE THIS TRADE to begin with. The Browns deserve every last bit of any consequences.
It's like a woman asks a mechanic friend to help her go car shopping. She spots a car she really likes and asks the mechanic to take a look. After checking it out, he says, it needs new ball joints, the transmission is going bad, it leaks oil, the engine light is on, it needs new brakes, it was in a flood. I know it's a really nice looking 2017 BMW convertable, and looks nice in a selfie, but you really shouldn't buy this car. They are asking way too much and it's going to be in the shop alot.
She buys the car anyhow and then is upset when it breaks down and she owes more on it than what it's worth.
That's the Browns. You paid top dollar for a good looking clunker. Way to go!
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Does it seem like paid leave only punishes the browns?
Yeah, that would make no sense at all.
Yeah, that would make no sense at all.
Well it kind of does read the last post by mahomo. I think everybody knew he was a scumbag and if they didn't they were stupid.
If Jimmy forced Stefanski and Berry to play ball then they are pussies anyway.
WSS
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Indictments/convictions? You can sue him too.
His lawyer said #24 was completely false….I hope #23 was just false like the others
Florio, the media and some of you would have him suspended until 2028Look, the sheer scope of the allegations is unprecedented. This isn't a one timer Ben R. banging some chick in a bar bathroom.
Watson apparently checked his moral compass at the door when he keeps claiming he didn't do anything wrong, and it was all consensual. Sorry Deshaun, not buying it. False like ALL the others? You're dreaming. Add in- earlier in this sordid little episode Watson and his lawyers screwed up by not paying up to make it all quietly go away when they had the chance. Too late now.
Yeah, a lot of the accusers outrage is phony, but I'm going to call it what it is... Paying for sex in the guise of "massages" sort of looks like soliciting prostitution. X 66.
Look, the sheer scope of the allegations is unprecedented. This isn't a one timer Ben R. banging some chick in a bar bathroom.
Watson apparently checked his moral compass at the door when he keeps claiming he didn't do anything wrong, and it was all consensual. Sorry Deshaun, not buying it. False like ALL the others? You're dreaming. Add in- earlier in this sordid little episode Watson and his lawyers screwed up by not paying up to make it all quietly go away when they had the chance. Too late now.
Yeah, a lot of the accusers outrage is phony, but I'm going to call it what it is... Paying for sex in the guise of "massages" sort of looks like soliciting prostitution. X 66.
So alot of the accuser outrage is phony…and I agree here. Is all of this worth another year or more of his career? We’ve had pricks/jerks on this team, we’ve had cheaters, some others convicted of crimes, etc.
There was a tug and rub thing going on. I’d certainly have a problem if one of the two said “no”…and a grand jury would too. And If we placed the facts in front of a Grand Jury and we’ve been lectured and taught here about that process and how an accuser has the cards stacked against them ….what’s changed with two more civil claims?
Two consenting adults!!!!!Bored Media hyping more outrage and ramping up again….and adding others (a team) to the fold
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Indictments/convictions? You can sue him too.
His lawyer said #24 was completely false….I hope #23 was just false like the others
Florio, the media and some of you would have him suspended until 2028
And you sound like you want to give him his next massage...
And you sound like you want to give him his next massage...
no I let a grand jury judge his actions.
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What has changed in the last month other than renewed public outrage?
Awareness.
You make it sound like how dare the public (and a growing contingent of longtime die hard Browns' fans) not wanting this guy to get a guaranteed 230 million $ contract. And what's the expense? Feel free to take inventory of how many draft picks they gave up for him plus the cap hit he's costing this team. You're already excusing him for possibly being suspended anywhere from 8-16 games in some of your posts. Even worse, the same FO + Owner that thought the only thing wrong with the franchise was the QB, which would have been more acceptable if they didn't already commit to the 5th year option guaranteeing that same QB $18,900,000. When Jimmy announced this was the most comprehensive research they have ever done on any QB/player they signed - I wondered why nobody asked him why he didn't draft Watson when our 1-15 record had him right on our 1st overall draft slot for far less money. Then, they wouldn't have had to draft Baker with the next 1st overall pick after this franchise went 0-16. The difference between the Browns and other teams in the AFC North today is Cleveland remains the only franchise incapable of drafting a franchise QB.
I liked it when the Browns had QBs with imperfections to overcome back in the 80s. When (13th round draft pick) Brian Sipe had the alleged arm strength of a Girl Scout earning the only NFL MVP award this franchise has had since the 50s or 60s. When Kosar had the mobility of a parked car and injuries from that eventually challenged his mechanics/delivery - he frequently had us in playoffs and AFC Championship Games. Their successes in spite of that were so easy for us to appreciate and root for.
Now we're being held hostage by a guy that has 24 alleged victims out of the 66 massage therapists he's used/abused. It's okay for fans to worry about this. It doesn't make them bad fans or holier than thou.
Awareness.
You make it sound like how dare the public (and a growing contingent of longtime die hard Browns' fans) not wanting this guy to get a guaranteed 230 million $ contract. And what's the expense? Feel free to take inventory of how many draft picks they gave up for him plus the cap hit he's costing this team. You're already excusing him for possibly being suspended anywhere from 8-16 games in some of your posts. Even worse, the same FO + Owner that thought the only thing wrong with the franchise was the QB, which would have been more acceptable if they didn't already commit to the 5th year option guaranteeing that same QB $18,900,000. When Jimmy announced this was the most comprehensive research they have ever done on any QB/player they signed - I wondered why nobody asked him why he didn't draft Watson when our 1-15 record had him right on our 1st overall draft slot for far less money. Then, they wouldn't have had to draft Baker with the next 1st overall pick after this franchise went 0-16. The difference between the Browns and other teams in the AFC North today is Cleveland remains the only franchise incapable of drafting a franchise QB.
I liked it when the Browns had QBs with imperfections to overcome back in the 80s. When (13th round draft pick) Brian Sipe had the alleged arm strength of a Girl Scout earning the only NFL MVP award this franchise has had since the 50s or 60s. When Kosar had the mobility of a parked car and injuries from that eventually challenged his mechanics/delivery - he frequently had us in playoffs and AFC Championship Games. Their successes in spite of that were so easy for us to appreciate and root for.
Now we're being held hostage by a guy that has 24 alleged victims out of the 66 massage therapists he's used/abused. It's okay for fans to worry about this. It doesn't make them bad fans or holier than thou.
The reality is men and women not Convicted of crimes have faced punishment from the NFL and that will be the case here. Maybe my bewilderment is with The year plus or indefinite crowd.
Trust me I’m aware…Did the grand jury think consenting adults were “victims”? You can call them opportunists too.
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no I let a grand jury judge his actions.
? Last time I heard how accurate a Grand Jury was - OJ Simpson was being found not guilty of slitting his wife's throat.
Guess what happened after that? Karma put the bad guy in jail anyway. Kind of funny how that works...
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Awareness.
You make it sound like how dare the public (and a growing contingent of longtime die hard Browns' fans) not wanting this guy to get a guaranteed 230 million $ contract. And what's the expense? Feel free to take inventory of how many draft picks they gave up for him plus the cap hit he's costing this team. You're already excusing him for possibly being suspended anywhere from 8-16 games in some of your posts. Even worse, the same FO + Owner that thought the only thing wrong with the franchise was the QB, which would have been more acceptable if they didn't already commit to the 5th year option guaranteeing that same QB $18,900,000. When Jimmy announced this was the most comprehensive research they have ever done on any QB/player they signed - I wondered why nobody asked him why he didn't draft Watson when our 1-15 record had him right on our 1st overall draft slot for far less money. Then, they wouldn't have had to draft Baker with the next 1st overall pick after this franchise went 0-16. The difference between the Browns and other teams in the AFC North today is Cleveland remains the only franchise incapable of drafting a franchise QB.
I liked it when the Browns had QBs with imperfections to overcome back in the 80s. When (13th round draft pick) Brian Sipe had the alleged arm strength of a Girl Scout earning the only NFL MVP award this franchise has had since the 50s or 60s. When Kosar had the mobility of a parked car and injuries from that eventually challenged his mechanics/delivery - he frequently had us in playoffs and AFC Championship Games. Their successes in spite of that were so easy for us to appreciate and root for.
Now we're being held hostage by a guy that has 24 alleged victims out of the 66 massage therapists he's used/abused. It's okay for fans to worry about this. It doesn't make them bad fans or holier than thou.
The reality is men and women not Convicted of crimes have faced punishment from the NFL and that will be the case here. Maybe my bewilderment is with The year plus or indefinite crowd.
Trust me I’m aware…Did the grand jury think consenting adults were “victims”? You can call them opportunists too.
The reality is men and women not Convicted of crimes have faced punishment from the NFL and that will be the case here. Maybe my bewilderment is with The year plus or indefinite crowd.
Trust me I’m aware…Did the grand jury think consenting adults were “victims”? You can call them opportunists too.
Again, OJ Simpson wasn't convicted of murder in front of a Grand Jury either. That said, was there even 1 juror that really thought he didn't slit his wife's throat? Perhaps stuff like this is why the NFL knows they need to do their own investigation.
In Watson's case, the Houston Texans organization was actually booking a hotel room for appointments with many of Watson's 66 different massage therapists.
You are correct about some opportunists. 7 of these massage therapists have admitted to booking more appointments with Watson and bragging to others they're continuing to work with him. The problem with this is it doesn't change the feelings of the massage therapists that had legitimate reasons not to sell out. Another problem with all this is Watson either doesn't think he's done anything wrong; or he can just lie his way out of it as many times as necessary.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
no I let a grand jury judge his actions.
And I don’t need the money lol nor do I have the desire my wife is plenty for meGee, the Texas Grand jury determined there was "possibly" no forcible sex involved. I won't repeat the public details of what Watson was asking women to do. That goes far, far beyond anything a normal person would consider a medical/ therapeutic massage.
The reality is men and women not Convicted of crimes have faced punishment from the NFL and that will be the case here. Maybe my bewilderment is with The year plus or indefinite crowd.
Trust me I’m aware…Did the grand jury think consenting adults were “victims”? You can call them opportunists too.
The problem is, Deshaun pushed the envelope of "consenting". I'll spare everyone the details. If you keep it up, I'll be happy to elaborate, but I'll have to put a warning disclaimer on that post.
OK, You want my 0.02 cents? Watson deserves no less than the Josh Gordon treatment. Indefinite suspension until this crap is cleared up one way or another. And as a long time season ticket holder, I'm not thrilled that the Browns sold their collective souls in search of a SB win.
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Zombo said:
Sam Darnold is awful.
Fucking awful.
I'd rather have Brissett.
Z
Not the point a healthy Mayfield is better than either of them. That's just a way to get Baker out of Cleveland. (And just to reiterate Jimmy's an idiot and Stefanski and Berry are quislings.)
WSS
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no I let a grand jury judge his actions.
And I don’t need the money lol nor do I have the desire my wife is plenty for meGee, the Texas Grand jury determined there was "possibly" no forcible sex involved. I won't repeat the public details of what Watson was asking women to do. That goes far, far beyond anything a normal person would consider a medical/ therapeutic massage.
The reality is men and women not Convicted of crimes have faced punishment from the NFL and that will be the case here. Maybe my bewilderment is with The year plus or indefinite crowd.
Trust me I’m aware…Did the grand jury think consenting adults were “victims”? You can call them opportunists too.
The problem is, Deshaun pushed the envelope of "consenting". I'll spare everyone the details. If you keep it up, I'll be happy to elaborate, but I'll have to put a warning disclaimer on that post.
OK, You want my 0.02 cents? Watson deserves no less than the Josh Gordon treatment. Indefinite suspension until this crap is cleared up one way or another. And as a long time season ticket holder, I'm not thrilled that the Browns sold their collective souls in search of a SB win.
Gee, the Texas Grand jury determined there was "possibly" no forcible sex involved. I won't repeat the public details of what Watson was asking women to do. That goes far, far beyond anything a normal person would consider a medical/ therapeutic massage.
The problem is, Deshaun pushed the envelope of "consenting". I'll spare everyone the details. If you keep it up, I'll be happy to elaborate, but I'll have to put a warning disclaimer on that post.
OK, You want my 0.02 cents? Watson deserves no less than the Josh Gordon treatment. Indefinite suspension until this crap is cleared up one way or another. And as a long time season ticket holder, I'm not thrilled that the Browns sold their collective souls in search of a SB win.
Hmmmmm.
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Who is the ONLY QB that won a playoff game with the Browns since Vinny did it with the same 11-5 regular season record back in 94? Baker Mayfield in January 2021 when this team beat Pittsburgh AT Pittsburgh with 48 points on the scoreboard. Was he flawless or looking like a 1st overall pick during the regular season? No. Having said that, he had a respectable TD:INT ratio of 26 TD:8 INT - but by all means let's make the 2022 season the tell-all for him. This way we can excuse Haslam for committing the 5th year option for Baker before eating that $18,900,000 against the cap just 1 year later while we reward the Houston Texans with multiple draft picks inclusive of 3 first round picks.
For ONCE in this ownership, can Haslam ever complete 1 major commitment he's made? Next year, is supposed to be a very promising QB draft for a team that would have drafted very high if Baker plays anything like the worst season of his career when he was injured. We can't do that without our next 3 first round draft picks now can we? The Browns could have also drafted a very underrated QB Kenny Pickett IMO before Pittsburgh did further back. Didn't the Chargers draft a QB 1st overall when they already had Drew Brees? They drafted Eli Manning who already told them "don't draft me cause I ain't going to play for you." Then they had to trade him to the Giants for Philip Rivers who sported the prototypical size Brees lacked. Rivers held out for the length of training camp and Brees was named starter again in his 4th season. Brees came of age with 12 wins, playoffs and his 1st Pro Bowl. Hmmmmm. Things like size, antsy in the pocket and the Chargers ending up with the worst record had the FO certain all they had to do was upgrade Brees. Guess what? They was wrong... That said, when Brees got hurt a few years later - they had another great QB ready to go. Brees went on to eventually lead the Saints to a SB Championship. We could have put something similar in motion to what the Chargers did back then here in 2022.
Instead, we're now going through another episode of "if it sounds too good to be true it ALWAYS is for Jimmy Haslam's Cleveland Browns."
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Who is the ONLY QB that won a playoff game with the Browns since Vinny did it with the same 11-5 regular season record back in 94? Baker Mayfield in January 2021 when this team beat Pittsburgh AT Pittsburgh with 48 points on the scoreboard. Was he flawless or looking like a 1st overall pick during the regular season? No. Having said that, he had a respectable TD:INT ratio of 26 TD:8 INT - but by all means let's make the 2022 season the tell-all for him. This way we can excuse Haslam for committing the 5th year option for Baker before eating that $18,900,000 against the cap just 1 year later while we reward the Houston Texans with multiple draft picks inclusive of 3 first round picks.
For ONCE in this ownership, can Haslam ever complete 1 major commitment he's made? Next year, is supposed to be a very promising QB draft for a team that would have drafted very high if Baker plays anything like the worst season of his career when he was injured. We can't do that without our next 3 first round draft picks now can we? The Browns could have also drafted a very underrated QB Kenny Pickett IMO before Pittsburgh did further back. Didn't the Chargers draft a QB 1st overall when they already had Drew Brees? They drafted Eli Manning who already told them "don't draft me cause I ain't going to play for you." Then they had to trade him to the Giants for Philip Rivers who sported the prototypical size Brees lacked. Rivers held out for the length of training camp and Brees was named starter again in his 4th season. Brees came of age with 12 wins, playoffs and his 1st Pro Bowl. Hmmmmm. Things like size, antsy in the pocket and the Chargers ending up with the worst record had the FO certain all they had to do was upgrade Brees. Guess what? They was wrong... That said, when Brees got hurt a few years later - they had another great QB ready to go. Brees went on to eventually lead the Saints to a SB Championship. We could have put something similar in motion to what the Chargers did back then here in 2022.
Instead, we're now going through another episode of "if it sounds too good to be true it ALWAYS is for Jimmy Haslam's Cleveland Browns."
Who is the ONLY QB that won a playoff game with the Browns since Vinny did it with the same 11-5 regular season record back in 94? Baker Mayfield in January 2021 when this team beat Pittsburgh AT Pittsburgh with 48 points on the scoreboard. Was he flawless or looking like a 1st overall pick during the regular season? No. Having said that, he had a respectable TD:INT ratio of 26 TD:8 INT - but by all means let's make the 2022 season the tell-all for him. This way we can excuse Haslam for committing the 5th year option for Baker before eating that $18,900,000 against the cap just 1 year later while we reward the Houston Texans with multiple draft picks inclusive of 3 first round picks.
For ONCE in this ownership, can Haslam ever complete 1 major commitment he's made? Next year, is supposed to be a very promising QB draft for a team that would have drafted very high if Baker plays anything like the worst season of his career when he was injured. We can't do that without our next 3 first round draft picks now can we? The Browns could have also drafted a very underrated QB Kenny Pickett IMO before Pittsburgh did further back. Didn't the Chargers draft a QB 1st overall when they already had Drew Brees? They drafted Eli Manning who already told them "don't draft me cause I ain't going to play for you." Then they had to trade him to the Giants for Philip Rivers who sported the prototypical size Brees lacked. Rivers held out for the length of training camp and Brees was named starter again in his 4th season. Brees came of age with 12 wins, playoffs and his 1st Pro Bowl. Hmmmmm. Things like size, antsy in the pocket and the Chargers ending up with the worst record had the FO certain all they had to do was upgrade Brees. Guess what? They was wrong... That said, when Brees got hurt a few years later - they had another great QB ready to go. Brees went on to eventually lead the Saints to a SB Championship. We could have put something similar in motion to what the Chargers did back then here in 2022.
Instead, we're now going through another episode of "if it sounds too good to be true it ALWAYS is for Jimmy Haslam's Cleveland Browns."
All true but it might be a little bit premature to assume Kenny Pickett will be the crown jewel of the quarterback class. And even if he were I would assume that changing the coaching staff and front office every year or two has the window of opportunity slam shut would put the kibosh on that . Also let's not forget how badly a particular group of fans hated Vinny Testaverde. Like the Dalai Lama said "haters gonna hate."
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WSS
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The reality is men and women not Convicted of crimes have faced punishment from the NFL and that will be the case here. Maybe my bewilderment is with The year plus or indefinite crowd.
Trust me I’m aware…Did the grand jury think consenting adults were “victims”? You can call them opportunists too.
Again, OJ Simpson wasn't convicted of murder in front of a Grand Jury either. That said, was there even 1 juror that really thought he didn't slit his wife's throat? Perhaps stuff like this is why the NFL knows they need to do their own investigation.
In Watson's case, the Houston Texans organization was actually booking a hotel room for appointments with many of Watson's 66 different massage therapists.
You are correct about some opportunists. 7 of these massage therapists have admitted to booking more appointments with Watson and bragging to others they're continuing to work with him. The problem with this is it doesn't change the feelings of the massage therapists that had legitimate reasons not to sell out. Another problem with all this is Watson either doesn't think he's done anything wrong; or he can just lie his way out of it as many times as necessary.
Again, OJ Simpson wasn't convicted of murder in front of a Grand Jury either. That said, was there even 1 juror that really thought he didn't slit his wife's throat? Perhaps stuff like this is why the NFL knows they need to do their own investigation.
In Watson's case, the Houston Texans organization was actually booking a hotel room for appointments with many of Watson's 66 different massage therapists.
You are correct about some opportunists. 7 of these massage therapists have admitted to booking more appointments with Watson and bragging to others they're continuing to work with him. The problem with this is it doesn't change the feelings of the massage therapists that had legitimate reasons not to sell out. Another problem with all this is Watson either doesn't think he's done anything wrong; or he can just lie his way out of it as many times as necessary.
OJ had a jury trial. So I’ll stop you there
Hmmm…the NFL doing fact finding and a thorough “legal” process. what could go wrong there?
Wow I can give you plenty of examples of that going wildly wrong with horribly inconsistent results (depending on the team) too.
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And it keeps on Ticking and Ticking and Ticking
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Again, OJ Simpson wasn't convicted of murder in front of a Grand Jury either. That said, was there even 1 juror that really thought he didn't slit his wife's throat? Perhaps stuff like this is why the NFL knows they need to do their own investigation.
In Watson's case, the Houston Texans organization was actually booking a hotel room for appointments with many of Watson's 66 different massage therapists.
You are correct about some opportunists. 7 of these massage therapists have admitted to booking more appointments with Watson and bragging to others they're continuing to work with him. The problem with this is it doesn't change the feelings of the massage therapists that had legitimate reasons not to sell out. Another problem with all this is Watson either doesn't think he's done anything wrong; or he can just lie his way out of it as many times as necessary.
OJ had a jury trial. So I’ll stop you there
Hmmm…the NFL doing fact finding and a thorough “legal” process. what could go wrong there?
Wow I can give you plenty of examples of that going wildly wrong with horribly inconsistent results (depending on the team) too.
OJ had a jury trial. So I’ll stop you there
Hmmm…the NFL doing fact finding and a thorough “legal” process. what could go wrong there?
Wow I can give you plenty of examples of that going wildly wrong with horribly inconsistent results (depending on the team) too.
O.j. had a jury trial came out on top of it and still the civil courts raked him over the coals.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Again, OJ Simpson wasn't convicted of murder in front of a Grand Jury either. That said, was there even 1 juror that really thought he didn't slit his wife's throat? Perhaps stuff like this is why the NFL knows they need to do their own investigation.
In Watson's case, the Houston Texans organization was actually booking a hotel room for appointments with many of Watson's 66 different massage therapists.
You are correct about some opportunists. 7 of these massage therapists have admitted to booking more appointments with Watson and bragging to others they're continuing to work with him. The problem with this is it doesn't change the feelings of the massage therapists that had legitimate reasons not to sell out. Another problem with all this is Watson either doesn't think he's done anything wrong; or he can just lie his way out of it as many times as necessary.
OJ had a jury trial. So I’ll stop you there
Hmmm…the NFL doing fact finding and a thorough “legal” process. what could go wrong there?
Wow I can give you plenty of examples of that going wildly wrong with horribly inconsistent results (depending on the team) too.
OJ had a jury trial. So I’ll stop you there
Hmmm…the NFL doing fact finding and a thorough “legal” process. what could go wrong there?
Wow I can give you plenty of examples of that going wildly wrong with horribly inconsistent results (depending on the team) too.
OJ had a farce of a jury trial, overwhelming evidence -but- afraid of rioting they let him go free.
Thank goodness he was such an idiot and got caught up in that civil stuff. OJ should never be a good example of jurisprudence that's for sure.
Now the " NFL jurisprudence " can be unpredictable at best .....just see the DW mess.
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OJ had a jury trial. So I’ll stop you there
Hmmm…the NFL doing fact finding and a thorough “legal” process. what could go wrong there?
Wow I can give you plenty of examples of that going wildly wrong with horribly inconsistent results (depending on the team) too.
O.j. had a jury trial came out on top of it and still the civil courts raked him over the coals.
WSS
O.j. had a jury trial came out on top of it and still the civil courts raked him over the coals.
WSS
Great and I’m trying to figure out the Watson and OJ connection. I don’t have enough patience today to explain the differences with each
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O.j. had a jury trial came out on top of it and still the civil courts raked him over the coals.
WSS
Great and I’m trying to figure out the Watson and OJ connection. I don’t have enough patience today to explain the differences with each
Great and I’m trying to figure out the Watson and OJ connection. I don’t have enough patience today to explain the differences with each
Too bad. I don't see that much of a correlation.
WSS
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And it keeps on Ticking and Ticking and Ticking
WSS
And it keeps on Ticking and Ticking and Ticking
WSS
From that article Steve...
"Per the report, Baker said she believed Watson committed criminal indecent assault, sexual assault and prostitution in cases where money was exchanged for consensual sex." What I've been saying...
O.j. had a jury trial came out on top of it and still the civil courts raked him over the coals.
WSS
Remains to be seen if Watson's lawyers can get the civil cases dismissed. MHO is they won't be able to, and Deshaun is going to be out a ton of that$200+ million he's scheduled to make. If Busbee pulls off the Daily Double and succeeds in his lawsuit against the Texans on top of that, him and his gals are all going to be set for life.
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Who is the ONLY QB that won a playoff game with the Browns since Vinny did it with the same 11-5 regular season record back in 94? Baker Mayfield in January 2021 when this team beat Pittsburgh AT Pittsburgh with 48 points on the scoreboard. Was he flawless or looking like a 1st overall pick during the regular season? No. Having said that, he had a respectable TD:INT ratio of 26 TD:8 INT - but by all means let's make the 2022 season the tell-all for him. This way we can excuse Haslam for committing the 5th year option for Baker before eating that $18,900,000 against the cap just 1 year later while we reward the Houston Texans with multiple draft picks inclusive of 3 first round picks.
For ONCE in this ownership, can Haslam ever complete 1 major commitment he's made? Next year, is supposed to be a very promising QB draft for a team that would have drafted very high if Baker plays anything like the worst season of his career when he was injured. We can't do that without our next 3 first round draft picks now can we? The Browns could have also drafted a very underrated QB Kenny Pickett IMO before Pittsburgh did further back. Didn't the Chargers draft a QB 1st overall when they already had Drew Brees? They drafted Eli Manning who already told them "don't draft me cause I ain't going to play for you." Then they had to trade him to the Giants for Philip Rivers who sported the prototypical size Brees lacked. Rivers held out for the length of training camp and Brees was named starter again in his 4th season. Brees came of age with 12 wins, playoffs and his 1st Pro Bowl. Hmmmmm. Things like size, antsy in the pocket and the Chargers ending up with the worst record had the FO certain all they had to do was upgrade Brees. Guess what? They was wrong... That said, when Brees got hurt a few years later - they had another great QB ready to go. Brees went on to eventually lead the Saints to a SB Championship. We could have put something similar in motion to what the Chargers did back then here in 2022.
Instead, we're now going through another episode of "if it sounds too good to be true it ALWAYS is for Jimmy Haslam's Cleveland Browns."
All true but it might be a little bit premature to assume Kenny Pickett will be the crown jewel of the quarterback class. And even if he were I would assume that changing the coaching staff and front office every year or two has the window of opportunity slam shut would put the kibosh on that . Also let's not forget how badly a particular group of fans hated Vinny Testaverde. Like the Dalai Lama said "haters gonna hate."
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WSS
All true but it might be a little bit premature to assume Kenny Pickett will be the crown jewel of the quarterback class. And even if he were I would assume that changing the coaching staff and front office every year or two has the window of opportunity slam shut would put the kibosh on that . Also let's not forget how badly a particular group of fans hated Vinny Testaverde. Like the Dalai Lama said "haters gonna hate."
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WSS
I haven't forgotten about Testaverde going 11-5 and winning the last playoff game for Cleveland before Baker was the QB of an 11-5 team that also won a playoff game. For some reason, our fans hate those 2 guys almost as if Baker destroyed the existing tradition people were more content with (1-31 football the 2 seasons before the Browns drafted him). In his rookie year the team was also winless and facing a 14 point deficit in his first appearance where he erased that deficit and this team freakin WON. They won 6 more games after that while he set the rookie record for passing TDs.
Pickett was just 1 idea Steve that would have allowed Cleveland to honor the 5th year of a contract with Baker the FO/Owner committed to. We could have drafted something else in round 1 with the understanding the next draft class of QBs is supposed to be pretty good. Point is - we had nice options while the Browns wouldn't have to give up so much for a guy that might be suspended....
The light at the end of the tunnel doesn't always have to be the headlamp of an oncoming train unless it's the Cleveland Browns...
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