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  3. ★ Will this country "EVER" come back to one country ? Or not. JUNE 24, 2022. The Atlantic. ★

★ Will this country  "EVER"  come back to one country  ?  Or not.    JUNE 24, 2022.   The Atlantic. ★

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  • mjp28 mjp28M In Memoriam Dedicated Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well Week One Done One Month Later One Year In
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    ★ Will this country   EVER   come back to one country  ?  Or not.    JUNE 24, 2022.   The Atlantic. ★

    An article that I saw on Facebook from  The Antlantic magazine  I think it might be at least be partly true.

    It may be time to stop talking about “red” and “blue” America. That’s the provocative conclusion of Michael Podhorzer, a longtime political strategist for labor unions and the chair of the Analyst Institute, a collaborative of progressive groups that studies elections. In a private newsletter that he writes for a small group of activists, Podhorzer recently laid out a detailed case for thinking of the two blocs as fundamentally different nations uneasily sharing the same geographic space.

    “When we think about the United States, we make the essential error of imagining it as a single nation, a marbled mix of Red and Blue people,” Podhorzer writes. “But in truth, we have never been one nation. We are more like a federated republic of two nations: Blue Nation and Red Nation. This is not a metaphor; it is a geographic and historical reality.”

    To Podhorzer, the growing divisions between red and blue states represent a reversion to the lines of separation through much of the nation’s history. The differences among states in the Donald Trump era, he writes, are “very similar, both geographically and culturally, to the divides between the Union and the Confederacy. And those dividing lines were largely set at the nation’s founding, when slave states and free states forged an uneasy alliance to become ‘one nation.’”

    Podhorzer isn’t predicting another civil war, exactly. But he’s warning that the pressure on the country’s fundamental cohesion is likely to continue ratcheting up in the 2020s. Like other analysts who study democracy, he views the Trump faction that now dominates the Republican Party—what he terms the “MAGA movement”—as the U.S. equivalent to the authoritarian parties in places such as Hungary and Venezuela. It is a multipronged, fundamentally antidemocratic movement that has built a solidifying base of institutional support through conservative media networks, evangelical churches, wealthy Republican donors, GOP elected officials, paramilitary white-nationalist groups, and a mass public following. And it is determined to impose its policy and social vision on the entire country—with or without majority support. “The structural attacks on our institutions that paved the way for Trump’s candidacy will continue to progress,” Podhorzer argues, “with or without him at the helm.”

    Read: Beware prophecies of civil war

    All of this is fueling what I’ve called “the great divergence” now under way between red and blue states. This divergence itself creates enormous strain on the country’s cohesion, but more and more even that looks like only a way station. What’s becoming clearer over time is that the Trump-era GOP is hoping to use its electoral dominance of the red states, the small-state bias in the Electoral College and the Senate, and the GOP-appointed majority on the Supreme Court to impose its economic and social model on the entire nation—with or without majority public support. As measured on fronts including the January 6 insurrection, the procession of Republican 2020 election deniers running for offices that would provide them with control over the 2024 electoral machinery, and the systematic advance of a Republican agenda by the Supreme Court, the underlying political question of the 2020s remains whether majority rule—and democracy as we’ve known it—can survive this offensive.

    Podhorzer defines modern red and blue America as the states in which each party has usually held unified control of the governorship and state legislature in recent years. By that yardstick, there are 25 red states, 17 blue states, and eight purple states, where state-government control has typically been divided. ---------- continued ---------->

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      Liberal rag.

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        A viable centrist third party wouldn't hurt.. Otherwise.. Pipe dream

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          mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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          25 R - 17 B - 8 P  ?

          Any possibility of that being somewhat permanent  ?     Interesting theory. 

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            I find that article extremely short sighted.

            The division in this country started before Trump, most likely when Obozo was sucking oxygen in the Oval Office.

            But yet again, that’s what I expect…another shit article from The Atlantic.

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              I find that article extremely short sighted.

              The division in this country started before Trump, most likely when Obozo was sucking oxygen in the Oval Office.

              But yet again, that’s what I expect…another shit article from The Atlantic.

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              @canton-dawg said:

              I find that article extremely short sighted.

              The division in this country started before Trump, most likely when Obozo was sucking oxygen in the Oval Office.

              But yet again, that’s what I expect…another shit article from The Atlantic.

              The Facebook person that had this article posted is a Democrat and really dislikes Trump.....a lot.

              Always a good idea to consider the sources in judging anything. 

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                A viable centrist third party wouldn't hurt.. Otherwise.. Pipe dream

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                @axe said:

                A viable centrist third party wouldn't hurt.. Otherwise.. Pipe dream

                Didn’t Washington speak of 2 party system being bad?

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington's_Farewell_Address#Political_parties

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                  @canton-dawg said:

                  I find that article extremely short sighted.

                  The division in this country started before Trump, most likely when Obozo was sucking oxygen in the Oval Office.

                  But yet again, that’s what I expect…another shit article from The Atlantic.

                  The Facebook person that had this article posted is a Democrat and really dislikes Trump.....a lot.

                  Always a good idea to consider the sources in judging anything. 

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                  @mjp28 said:

                  The Facebook person that had this article posted is a Democrat and really dislikes Trump.....a lot.

                  Always a good idea to consider the sources in judging anything. 

                  LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

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                    @mjp28 said:

                    The Facebook person that had this article posted is a Democrat and really dislikes Trump.....a lot.

                    Always a good idea to consider the sources in judging anything. 

                    LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

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                    @hoorta said:

                    LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

                    No better than Redstate.

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                      @hoorta said:

                      LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

                      No better than Redstate.

                      WSS 

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                      @westside-steve said:

                      No better than Redstate, a.k.a. Ostrich Times or Monkey Shines (??)

                      WSS 

                      FIFY!

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                        @westside-steve said:

                        No better than Redstate, a.k.a. Ostrich Times or Monkey Shines (??)

                        WSS 

                        FIFY!

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                        FIFY!

                        Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic.

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                          But (back to the OP)no the country will probably not get much better. Mass media only exaggerates the same kind of s*** that's been going on since the revolution and before. And it's just the natural progression that no country stays on top forever. Sure the Democrats have greased the skids but a lot of people think history began 25 years ago. Hell probably even less.

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                            @mjp28 said:

                            The Facebook person that had this article posted is a Democrat and really dislikes Trump.....a lot.

                            Always a good idea to consider the sources in judging anything. 

                            LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

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                            @hoorta said:

                            LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

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                              @texasag1969 said:

                              FIFY!

                              Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic.

                              WSS

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                              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                              @westside-steve said:

                              Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic.

                              WSS

                              That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

                              Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

                              Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                Yeah, political division is a problem in this country... And it started with Obamao!

                                Yeah, racial tensions are an issue... And that's because of Obamao! (not so subtile)

                                There's a lot of political hate in this country.... And the Demonratz started it!

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                                  Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country 

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                                        Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country 

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country 

                                        no, that's stupid. Give him all the states he won outright, then give him all the states he would have won except for voter fraud.

                                           He won't miss the other states, aren't that many.

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                                          Ohio voted for trump.  We get about 80 percent of the country.  Better move!

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