Baker to Carolina
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Why don't these morons who are reporting how Mayfield's teammates disliked him, provide some names ore quotes?
Because they don't have any names or quotes. Tony Grossi wanted to be the 1st media squid to announce Baker was going to fail as soon as he was drafted. Then Baker set the Rookie record with 27 TD passes despite only starting 13 games for a team coming off 0-16 football. And guess how many wins Cleveland had when Baker appeared in his 1st game with a 14 point deficit a few minutes before half? They were 0-1-1 coming off that 0-16 football coming off that 1-15 football. Why people want to ACT like Baker doesn't have it within 1 calendar year of being the starter of an 11-5 playoff team that won a playoff game scoring 48 points ON and AT Pittsburgh. Throwing 26 TD passes to only 8 INTS after what this franchise went through the 2 years before Baker came here has me wondering why everyone thinks if we just replace Baker we're all set.
Because they don't have any names or quotes. Tony Grossi wanted to be the 1st media squid to announce Baker was going to fail as soon as he was drafted. Then Baker set the Rookie record with 27 TD passes despite only starting 13 games for a team coming off 0-16 football. And guess how many wins Cleveland had when Baker appeared in his 1st game with a 14 point deficit a few minutes before half? They were 0-1-1 coming off that 0-16 football coming off that 1-15 football. Why people want to ACT like Baker doesn't have it within 1 calendar year of being the starter of an 11-5 playoff team that won a playoff game scoring 48 points ON and AT Pittsburgh. Throwing 26 TD passes to only 8 INTS after what this franchise went through the 2 years before Baker came here has me wondering why everyone thinks if we just replace Baker we're all set.
Exactly. Also, see my thread titled: "Just for the record - Baker was not "just an average qb" "
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Why don't these morons who are reporting how Mayfield's teammates disliked him, provide some names ore quotes?...because it's B.S., that's why... OBJ??....who gives a crap about that whiney ass prima dona? He never wanted to come here, and tried every angle to get out. He sure as Hell was no top notch receiver here. I could make a video of easy throws that he just dropped that would be longer than the one he produced. Why would Mayfield continue to throw him the ball, when he drops everything he touches?
Why don't these morons who are reporting how Mayfield's teammates disliked him, provide some names ore quotes?...because it's B.S., that's why... OBJ??....who gives a crap about that whiney ass prima dona? He never wanted to come here, and tried every angle to get out. He sure as Hell was no top notch receiver here. I could make a video of easy throws that he just dropped that would be longer than the one he produced. Why would Mayfield continue to throw him the ball, when he drops everything he touches?
yep. obj has a dropped passes rating - one of the worst ten wr's in nfl history.
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eh....injury. Playing while injured. Surgery.
Meanwhile, the browns dumped Landry, who wanted to stay with the Browns - and drafted wr, and signed a star deep threat, Cooper.
Nov 4, 2021Doug Dieken explains the issues with the Browns offense including protection, getting open, etc… How Baker's effort of cutting down his turnovers has affected his passing? How to defend Bengals' offense. ... Doug Dieken: Browns are out of sync; offense has underachieved and defense has been inconsistent Listen to the podcast belowI have thought about the injury deal.
My feeling is Baker had some really good games while "injured", so why did the injurt not bother him in those games?
Just saying
I have thought about the injury deal.
My feeling is Baker had some really good games while "injured", so why did the injurt not bother him in those games?
Just saying
San Diego and Cincy couldn't attack and limit the running game. So Baker took a very clear back seat to Chubb, Hunt and DJ. All he had to do were make throws from ball action in windows that were vacated by LB's and DB's coming downhill.
No small coincidence that Mayfield's best games of the season game against 2 of the 3 worst defenses in the NFL at their respective times.
Not so much a knock on Baker, as it would be to point out that when things weren't easy, that's when he was limited by both his eyes and his arm (injury)
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Haha "Glory to God" on his bicep...betcha he says that every time a masseuse makes him shoot his wad.
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And we gave him away for literally nothing... Typical dumb Browns moves..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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if Mayfield wins the starting job - Cleveland pays 2/3 of his game (opener) check ?
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★ One big error in that report it totally misses his not so good 2021 season. The season with Mayfield's zero game winning drives and his injuries.
This throws all of those future projections way off.
Redo the report with his 2021 numbers and then do the accurate comparison. Hint : it will show his numbers are going down not even or up.
interesting numbers -but- throw out the other #1 picks also to be more relevant.
Mayfield is a good not a franchise quarterback in most opinions.
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Quick at look 2021 - low in yards, low in TDs, low comp %...... Not good trend numbers. Especially high in injuries and of course age.
Just the numbers.
Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds Sk% NY/A ANY/A 4QC GWD AV Awards Career 60 59 29-30-0 1185 1924 61.6 14125 92 4.8 56 2.9 681 89 7.3 7.0 11.9 235.4 87.8 134 889 6.5 6.43 6.10 6 7 45 2018 23 CLE QB 6 14 13 6-7-0 310 486 63.8 3725 27 5.6 14 2.9 171 71 7.7 7.5 12.0 266.1 93.7 51.2 25 173 4.9 6.95 6.77 3 4 10 AP ORoY-2 2019 24 CLE QB 6 16 16 6-10-0 317 534 59.4 3827 22 4.1 21 3.9 179 89 7.2 6.2 12.1 239.2 78.8 54.4 40 285 7 6.17 5.29 1 1 11 2020 25 CLE QB 6 16 16 11-5-0 305 486 62.8 3563 26 5.3 8 1.6 188 75 7.3 7.7 11.7 222.7 95.9 65.5 26 162 5.1 6.64 6.96 2 2 14 2021 26 CLE QB 6 14 14 6-8-0 253 418 60.5 3010 17 4.1 13 3.1 143 71 7.2 6.6 11.9 215.0 83.1 35.1 43 269 9.3 5.95 5.41 GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Baker Mayfield is a second tier starting quarterback.
Which puts him squarely at "average" for starting quarterbacks. Comparing his stats to quarterbacks from eras where throwing the ball 30 times in one game was newsworthy is silly.
Might as well compare today's hitters in MLB to hitters from 1911, when one or two pitchers might have topped 90mph with their fastballs.
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Uh oh, mjp telling the complete story with omitted facts.
Dammit I hate when that happens.
Going into year 5 with the first 3 years of data and trying to draw conclusions. Oh well it's like grading on the curve......well sort of.
~AND~ it looks like the Baker Mayfield era is over in Cleveland, it just doesn't feel like it yet. Probably won't until September 11th against Carolina and probably Baker Mayfield.....how spooky is that. Maybe a tie game ?
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Baker would have broken multiple records for an age old snakebitten franchise, it would have been more than enough to warrant his draft status in the annuls of the history books. He may have well have won us a Superbowl Championship. Sometimes it's not all about winning but in HOW you win. I would have gladly watched another 11-6 season under Baker, just for the joy of it. It was enough for me knowing that we had a chance. You can't win them all and if you think you can, you are wrong.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Quick at look 2021 - low in yards, low in TDs, low comp %...... Not good trend numbers. Especially high in injuries and of course age.
Just the numbers.
Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds Sk% NY/A ANY/A 4QC GWD AV Awards Career 60 59 29-30-0 1185 1924 61.6 14125 92 4.8 56 2.9 681 89 7.3 7.0 11.9 235.4 87.8 134 889 6.5 6.43 6.10 6 7 45 2018 23 CLE QB 6 14 13 6-7-0 310 486 63.8 3725 27 5.6 14 2.9 171 71 7.7 7.5 12.0 266.1 93.7 51.2 25 173 4.9 6.95 6.77 3 4 10 AP ORoY-2 2019 24 CLE QB 6 16 16 6-10-0 317 534 59.4 3827 22 4.1 21 3.9 179 89 7.2 6.2 12.1 239.2 78.8 54.4 40 285 7 6.17 5.29 1 1 11 2020 25 CLE QB 6 16 16 11-5-0 305 486 62.8 3563 26 5.3 8 1.6 188 75 7.3 7.7 11.7 222.7 95.9 65.5 26 162 5.1 6.64 6.96 2 2 14 2021 26 CLE QB 6 14 14 6-8-0 253 418 60.5 3010 17 4.1 13 3.1 143 71 7.2 6.6 11.9 215.0 83.1 35.1 43 269 9.3 5.95 5.41 Quick at look 2021 - low in yards, low in TDs, low comp %...... Not good trend numbers. Especially high in injuries and of course age.
Just the numbers.
Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds Sk% NY/A ANY/A 4QC GWD AV Awards Career 60 59 29-30-0 1185 1924 61.6 14125 92 4.8 56 2.9 681 89 7.3 7.0 11.9 235.4 87.8 134 889 6.5 6.43 6.10 6 7 45 2018 23 CLE QB 6 14 13 6-7-0 310 486 63.8 3725 27 5.6 14 2.9 171 71 7.7 7.5 12.0 266.1 93.7 51.2 25 173 4.9 6.95 6.77 3 4 10 AP ORoY-2 2019 24 CLE QB 6 16 16 6-10-0 317 534 59.4 3827 22 4.1 21 3.9 179 89 7.2 6.2 12.1 239.2 78.8 54.4 40 285 7 6.17 5.29 1 1 11 2020 25 CLE QB 6 16 16 11-5-0 305 486 62.8 3563 26 5.3 8 1.6 188 75 7.3 7.7 11.7 222.7 95.9 65.5 26 162 5.1 6.64 6.96 2 2 14 2021 26 CLE QB 6 14 14 6-8-0 253 418 60.5 3010 17 4.1 13 3.1 143 71 7.2 6.6 11.9 215.0 83.1 35.1 43 269 9.3 5.95 5.41 Yup, the OP did some serious cherry picking of stats to (lamely) try and prove a point. Let's start with Baker's 2020 best season... 95.9 qbr... In 2021, TEN starting NFL QBs posted ratings better than that... I'll even use his 2019 career best in yards (3827)... 2021 eleven QBs were better, and two more- Garoppolo and Mac Jones were within 20 yards of that number.
Baker Mayfield is a second tier starting quarterback.
Which puts him squarely at "average" for starting quarterbacks. Comparing his stats to quarterbacks from eras where throwing the ball 30 times in one game was newsworthy is silly.
Might as well compare today's hitters in MLB to hitters from 1911, when one or two pitchers might have topped 90mph with their fastballs.
See above... If you're not in the top 10, that makes you second tier. Agreed, picking numbers from the era of leather helmet football is pretty meaningless. Most would say the "modern" era of football started with the Super Bowl. Or, as Steeler fans like to say 1970.
Salaries and overall conditioning now are nothing like they were 50-60 years ago. A lot of the hangers on back then had to take summer off season jobs to make ends meet. (For those young 'uns who don't know- the retired #46 belonged to Don Fleming, who got himself electrocuted working on a summer job for CEI.) I well remember that Jim Brown was the first NFL player to top $100,000 in salary. That's not even $1 million in 2022 dollars.
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Baker would have broken multiple records for an age old snakebitten franchise, it would have been more than enough to warrant his draft status in the annuls of the history books. He may have well have won us a Superbowl Championship. Sometimes it's not all about winning but in HOW you win. I would have gladly watched another 11-6 season under Baker, just for the joy of it. It was enough for me knowing that we had a chance. You can't win them all and if you think you can, you are wrong.
Baker would have broken multiple records for an age old snakebitten franchise, it would have been more than enough to warrant his draft status in the annuls of the history books. He may have well have won us a Superbowl Championship. Sometimes it's not all about winning but in HOW you win. I would have gladly watched another 11-6 season under Baker, just for the joy of it. It was enough for me knowing that we had a chance. You can't win them all and if you think you can, you are wrong.
The final chapters of the Book of Baker are yet to be written Po & I don't claim to have a crystal ball... This year will certainly give us the direction his career is heading... Just don't be crying over the departed USS Baker, because it's sailed... And I suggest you not beat yourself up over it. Can he turn it around and have a Drew Brees career, or become a long term backup like Josh McCown or Colt McCoy? Stay tuned.
BTW.. I certainly wished (at the time) that Phil Dawson would have stuck around for another year or two to pass Lou Groza's Browns points record. But he didn't.
Face it- Mayfield got shipped out of town for a conditional (at best) 4th round draft choice. Damaged goods. AND we had to pay Carolina $10 million to make him go away. If the rest of the NFL viewed Baker as a "for real" franchise QB, he would have commanded what the Seahawks got for Russell Wilson. UM...
"What was the trade for Russell Wilson? The 33-year-old Wilson was traded from the Seahawks to the Broncos in exchange for a huge haul, including two first-round draft picks, two second-rounders, a fifth-rounder, quarterback Drew Lock, defensive tackle Shelby Harris and tight end Noah Fant."
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Maybe the absolute final Baker Mayfield numbers might be written in the 2022 NFL Week 1 - September 11, 2022 1 pm on CBS the visiting Cleveland BROWNS at the home team Carolina Panthers.
Expected starting quarterbacks TBD vs Baker Mayfield in the sure to be the most hyped game in the NFL Week 1.
Getting excited yet ? Maybe give it a month or so.
.......edit add, I personally think BRM might even be pumped up in the upcoming preseason, eh ? Might be worth watching what happens next.
...... edit two, I wonder if the camps and preseason will show how much BRM has in the ol' tank and heart. Is he going to be up to his 2018 rookie performance thrown into action and going 6-7. Or maybe his 2020 and 11-5 playoff record year. Or the greatly disappointing 2019 or 2021 years. Which BRM shows up in 2022 its anyone's guess right now.
Doesn't sound like a franchise quarterback on a good team does it ?
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OK it's 2:36 Tuesday am and my left hip is thumping.....Rx time......ahhhhh.
Just kidding Browns fans, I'm trying to read to fall asleep. It's not working.....yet.
And just one more shot at the "beating a dead horse" thing. The last three categories on is BRM an (ok-good-franchise) quarterback. (pick only one)
I never thought that I'd see these three three BROWNS quarterbacks in one line-up.....Otto, Milt, Baker.......from when I was 4, 10, 70 all together. Amazing.
Brings back memories of Otto after he retired, Milt when I was playing backyard and 5th/6th grade tackle football in full uniforms and Baker ahhh what the hell was I doing when I was 70? Oh yeah new meds, lol.
Seriously though like I've always said what's better than having fun with numbers. Especially when they add up right, eventually.
Oh my answer is BRM is a good quarterback and I can prove it god dammit......and "stay off my yard dammit ......and I know your parents! !
Hmmmm, 3:11 am, still awake. Maybe I'll try Facebook, yeah that might w-o-..... ?
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I have thought about the injury deal.
My feeling is Baker had some really good games while "injured", so why did the injurt not bother him in those games?
Just saying
well, football is a game of matchups. Let's say, sometimes the weak wr group could get open vs one team's secondary, sometimes they couldn't get open much at all. Maybe....some teams don't have great pass rushers and a terrific secondary, with fast lb's who can also cover short range....
maybe....sometimes Stephanski's stupid playcalling screwed up the browns' chances, sometimes didn't.
well, football is a game of matchups. Let's say, sometimes the weak wr group could get open vs one team's secondary, sometimes they couldn't get open much at all. Maybe....some teams don't have great pass rushers and a terrific secondary, with fast lb's who can also cover short range....
maybe....sometimes Stephanski's stupid playcalling screwed up the browns' chances, sometimes didn't.
I don't know.
I guess when a play doesn't work it might be called a stupid play. Then again, maybe it just didn't work. We are playing against other players who are trying to stop us from moving the ball.
No matter how bad we might think they are, they are going to win some of those battles.
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And we gave him away for literally nothing... Typical dumb Browns moves..
Who offered more that we got? Were their any other teams interested? My feeling is if Baker was all that good, we would have had multiple teams seeking his services no matter the thought that we didn't have leverage. If Baker was good enough, we would have had leverage because multiple interested teams would have created said leverage.
A note on Cals numbers posted. The game is different than when Otto played. Posting up numbers that show Baker just behind Otto doesn't make Baker set to be better than Otto Graham.
And just to be clear. I like Baker and wanted to draft him. I would have been good with keeping him, but he wasn't a great QB. He was a middle of the pack QB. We could win with him, but probably not because of him.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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