Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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I could've sworn that while having lunch with the Mrs today in a local eatery that I saw a crawler on the four letter network saying the disciplinary decision could come down as early as tomorrow but no later than the start of training camp. And that regardless of the decision, Watson could participate in camp and preseason games.
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Well after all the Sound and Fury it's going to be what it is. No point losing sleep over Baker. I'm guessing six games slap on the wrist for Watson? If that's the case Roethlisberger Hunt Etc should be furious.
But die-hard as long as we are hoping I hope he gets an indefinite suspension that eventually goes to Miami or Atlanta we rescind the deal the Houston Texans have to give back the draft picks and accept a censure Jimmy Haslam is forced to sell the team to Cleveland interests and the Browns go to the Super Bowl behind Jimmy Garoppolo.
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WSS
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Charles Robinson@CharlesRobinsonA source in the middle of this arbitration expects Sue Robinson to take “at least a week” to go over the briefs and write out her judgement. The expectation is that her ruling will be detailed. So this tracks pretty decently. Nobody involved seems to think it’s coming this week.
ProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalkWith the Deshaun Watson briefs being submitted to Judge Robinson today, our best guess (and it's just a guess) for a decision is the week of July 25. -
Well after all the Sound and Fury it's going to be what it is. No point losing sleep over Baker. I'm guessing six games slap on the wrist for Watson? If that's the case Roethlisberger Hunt Etc should be furious.
But die-hard as long as we are hoping I hope he gets an indefinite suspension that eventually goes to Miami or Atlanta we rescind the deal the Houston Texans have to give back the draft picks and accept a censure Jimmy Haslam is forced to sell the team to Cleveland interests and the Browns go to the Super Bowl behind Jimmy Garoppolo.
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WSS
Well after all the Sound and Fury it's going to be what it is. No point losing sleep over Baker. I'm guessing six games slap on the wrist for Watson? If that's the case Roethlisberger Hunt Etc should be furious.
But die-hard as long as we are hoping I hope he gets an indefinite suspension that eventually goes to Miami or Atlanta we rescind the deal the Houston Texans have to give back the draft picks and accept a censure Jimmy Haslam is forced to sell the team to Cleveland interests and the Browns go to the Super Bowl behind Jimmy Garoppolo.
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WSS
Nah. I hope he gets nothing and takes us to a superbowl.
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Well after all the Sound and Fury it's going to be what it is. No point losing sleep over Baker. I'm guessing six games slap on the wrist for Watson? If that's the case Roethlisberger Hunt Etc should be furious.
But die-hard as long as we are hoping I hope he gets an indefinite suspension that eventually goes to Miami or Atlanta we rescind the deal the Houston Texans have to give back the draft picks and accept a censure Jimmy Haslam is forced to sell the team to Cleveland interests and the Browns go to the Super Bowl behind Jimmy Garoppolo.
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WSS
Nah. I hope he gets nothing and takes us to a superbowl.
Nah. I hope he gets nothing and takes us to a superbowl.
I hope they hammer him hard and he never sets foot on the field... Hes a chump!
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They did not want to hitch their front office/coaching future to Baker, and I get that.
it wasn't like top-level QBs were or are available very often, but they paid an absolute king's ransom for a completely toxic "face of the franchise".
Since they CANNOT do this right - we're waiting on a suspension while we've given THREE 1st round picks and more to Houston. Yay?
Time for me to jump on a plane ? and leave this ____________ transaction action for 10 days ? (i may miss nothing? ?)
I'll always believe, there once was a time, to avoid this media _____ wreck..
A somewhat decided Browns FO, looking to trade a Baker Mayfield too?
Time heals all wounds? Time for me to check out to a Tar- healing vacation... see ya all... Stay Family Safe !
Time for me to jump on a plane ? and leave this ____________ transaction action for 10 days ? (i may miss nothing? ?)
What'd I win?
the Pike division ?
getting this gut feeling... the NFL wants more games than Ben got suspended.. 8 games... gets Watson 9 games, with our bye week falling on week 9
A players union happy (games suspended) non appeal number? Nah ! I don't see one...
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Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
So you roll with Baker in 2022?
A rookie in 2023? (And trade three 1st round picks to move up!!!)
Hold your breath in 2024 that the rookie panned out?
Meanwhile Chubb, Ward, Garrett and Co get older or demand trades to super bowl contending teams.
Big picture thinking.
So you roll with Baker in 2022?
A rookie in 2023? (And trade three 1st round picks to move up!!!)
Hold your breath in 2024 that the rookie panned out?
Meanwhile Chubb, Ward, Garrett and Co get older or demand trades to super bowl contending teams.
Big picture thinking.
1 yes. It's my contention that the team will be great and contend for a Super Bowl with a healthy Baker. And with the extra draft picks and with the changes we have made to the team and without the problems of 2021.
And if I'm right who cares about a rookie next year?
And all those things the Aging of the players the bigger contracts offered by other teams will still be a problem in 2022 and 2023.
WSS
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then WTF are we talking about? Think about that......this is ridiculous
Seriously? Can't believe people are still having a hard time with this.
It's been established a long time ago by 2 grand juries that Watsons engaged in no criminal activity. That should be no surprise to you.
Watson is facing charges in civil court which makes him subject to punishment by the NFL for violating the league's personal behavior policy.
The Difference Between Civil Sexual Assault and Criminal Sexual Assault (jsberrylaw.com)
Ben Roethlesbooger was never charged with a crime either. The case was thrown out by the prosecutor. He did however receive a 6-game suspension reduced to 4 for violating the league's personal behavior policy.
Take note of all the suspensions due to either violation of the league's personal conduct policy or personal behavior detrimental to the team.
List of players and coaches suspended by the NFL | American Football Database | Fandom
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then WTF are we talking about? Think about that......this is ridiculous
Seriously? Can't believe people are still having a hard time with this.
It's been established a long time ago by 2 grand juries that Watsons engaged in no criminal activity. That should be no surprise to you.
Watson is facing charges in civil court which makes him subject to punishment by the NFL for violating the league's personal behavior policy.
The Difference Between Civil Sexual Assault and Criminal Sexual Assault (jsberrylaw.com)
Ben Roethlesbooger was never charged with a crime either. The case was thrown out by the prosecutor. He did however receive a 6-game suspension reduced to 4 for violating the league's personal behavior policy.
Take note of all the suspensions due to either violation of the league's personal conduct policy or personal behavior detrimental to the team.
List of players and coaches suspended by the NFL | American Football Database | Fandom
Seriously? Can't believe people are still having a hard time with this.
It's been established a long time ago by 2 grand juries that Watsons engaged in no criminal activity. That should be no surprise to you.
Watson is facing charges in civil court which makes him subject to punishment by the NFL for violating the league's personal behavior policy.
The Difference Between Civil Sexual Assault and Criminal Sexual Assault (jsberrylaw.com)
Ben Roethlesbooger was never charged with a crime either. The case was thrown out by the prosecutor. He did however receive a 6-game suspension reduced to 4 for violating the league's personal behavior policy.
Take note of all the suspensions due to either violation of the league's personal conduct policy or personal behavior detrimental to the team.
List of players and coaches suspended by the NFL | American Football Database | Fandom
The pass by the grand jury didn't State there was no criminal activity just that they didn't think it was worth the time to prosecute each and every case. Also apparently the ones who claimed he grabbed their hand and put it on his weiner have settled. That doesn't mean he didn't do it it just means that the amount of money was okay for them to let it slide. Which means they weren't permanently traumatized. Like my mechanic Buddy says nothing wrong with it that money can't fix.
WSS
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Seriously? Can't believe people are still having a hard time with this.
It's been established a long time ago by 2 grand juries that Watsons engaged in no criminal activity. That should be no surprise to you.
Watson is facing charges in civil court which makes him subject to punishment by the NFL for violating the league's personal behavior policy.
The Difference Between Civil Sexual Assault and Criminal Sexual Assault (jsberrylaw.com)
Ben Roethlesbooger was never charged with a crime either. The case was thrown out by the prosecutor. He did however receive a 6-game suspension reduced to 4 for violating the league's personal behavior policy.
Take note of all the suspensions due to either violation of the league's personal conduct policy or personal behavior detrimental to the team.
List of players and coaches suspended by the NFL | American Football Database | Fandom
The pass by the grand jury didn't State there was no criminal activity just that they didn't think it was worth the time to prosecute each and every case. Also apparently the ones who claimed he grabbed their hand and put it on his weiner have settled. That doesn't mean he didn't do it it just means that the amount of money was okay for them to let it slide. Which means they weren't permanently traumatized. Like my mechanic Buddy says nothing wrong with it that money can't fix.
WSS
The pass by the grand jury didn't State there was no criminal activity just that they didn't think it was worth the time to prosecute each and every case. Also apparently the ones who claimed he grabbed their hand and put it on his weiner have settled. That doesn't mean he didn't do it it just means that the amount of money was okay for them to let it slide. Which means they weren't permanently traumatized. Like my mechanic Buddy says nothing wrong with it that money can't fix.
WSS
WSS, not to argue, but your supposition on the Grand jury's decision is wrong. I have testified in my career in front of several grand juries and have worked with several District Attorneys as the lead investigator. If a DA goes to the grand jury He/She believes it's worth prosecuting. All a Grand Jury is presented or hears is the Prosecutions case such as (Investigators/witness/victims testimony and evidence). The Defense and alleged suspect(s) are not present and have no input in their defense. All the grand jury decides is "if the prosecution presented a case where the evidence(testimony,Physical evidence) is met to proceed to an indictment and criminal trial. They don't decide if it's worth the time. A grand jury hearing is usually a slam dunk for the prosecution because the defense isn't heard. There is a saying " You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich." It isn't far off, and yet 2 grand juries in 2 different counties said there wasn't anything to proceed with criminal charges.
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The pass by the grand jury didn't State there was no criminal activity just that they didn't think it was worth the time to prosecute each and every case. Also apparently the ones who claimed he grabbed their hand and put it on his weiner have settled. That doesn't mean he didn't do it it just means that the amount of money was okay for them to let it slide. Which means they weren't permanently traumatized. Like my mechanic Buddy says nothing wrong with it that money can't fix.
WSS
WSS, not to argue, but your supposition on the Grand jury's decision is wrong. I have testified in my career in front of several grand juries and have worked with several District Attorneys as the lead investigator. If a DA goes to the grand jury He/She believes it's worth prosecuting. All a Grand Jury is presented or hears is the Prosecutions case such as (Investigators/witness/victims testimony and evidence). The Defense and alleged suspect(s) are not present and have no input in their defense. All the grand jury decides is "if the prosecution presented a case where the evidence(testimony,Physical evidence) is met to proceed to an indictment and criminal trial. They don't decide if it's worth the time. A grand jury hearing is usually a slam dunk for the prosecution because the defense isn't heard. There is a saying " You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich." It isn't far off, and yet 2 grand juries in 2 different counties said there wasn't anything to proceed with criminal charges.
WSS, not to argue, but your supposition on the Grand jury's decision is wrong. I have testified in my career in front of several grand juries and have worked with several District Attorneys as the lead investigator. If a DA goes to the grand jury He/She believes it's worth prosecuting. All a Grand Jury is presented or hears is the Prosecutions case such as (Investigators/witness/victims testimony and evidence). The Defense and alleged suspect(s) are not present and have no input in their defense. All the grand jury decides is "if the prosecution presented a case where the evidence(testimony,Physical evidence) is met to proceed to an indictment and criminal trial. They don't decide if it's worth the time. A grand jury hearing is usually a slam dunk for the prosecution because the defense isn't heard. There is a saying " You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich." It isn't far off, and yet 2 grand juries in 2 different counties said there wasn't anything to proceed with criminal charges.
A voice of sanity in the wilderness of the Browns Board. ?
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WSS, not to argue, but your supposition on the Grand jury's decision is wrong. I have testified in my career in front of several grand juries and have worked with several District Attorneys as the lead investigator. If a DA goes to the grand jury He/She believes it's worth prosecuting. All a Grand Jury is presented or hears is the Prosecutions case such as (Investigators/witness/victims testimony and evidence). The Defense and alleged suspect(s) are not present and have no input in their defense. All the grand jury decides is "if the prosecution presented a case where the evidence(testimony,Physical evidence) is met to proceed to an indictment and criminal trial. They don't decide if it's worth the time. A grand jury hearing is usually a slam dunk for the prosecution because the defense isn't heard. There is a saying " You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich." It isn't far off, and yet 2 grand juries in 2 different counties said there wasn't anything to proceed with criminal charges.
A voice of sanity in the wilderness of the Browns Board. ?
A voice of sanity in the wilderness of the Browns Board. ?
And the Texans with their far deeper pockets than Deshawn.... Told Busbee.... How much you need to make this go away? Case settled. The four hold outs against Deshawn are holding out for more to make them happy.
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WSS, not to argue, but your supposition on the Grand jury's decision is wrong. I have testified in my career in front of several grand juries and have worked with several District Attorneys as the lead investigator. If a DA goes to the grand jury He/She believes it's worth prosecuting. All a Grand Jury is presented or hears is the Prosecutions case such as (Investigators/witness/victims testimony and evidence). The Defense and alleged suspect(s) are not present and have no input in their defense. All the grand jury decides is "if the prosecution presented a case where the evidence(testimony,Physical evidence) is met to proceed to an indictment and criminal trial. They don't decide if it's worth the time. A grand jury hearing is usually a slam dunk for the prosecution because the defense isn't heard. There is a saying " You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich." It isn't far off, and yet 2 grand juries in 2 different counties said there wasn't anything to proceed with criminal charges.
A voice of sanity in the wilderness of the Browns Board. ?
A voice of sanity in the wilderness of the Browns Board. ?
Not really. They didn't indict because they didn't think the prosecutor could prove the cases.* All were her word against his. Maybe all of those dames are lying whores and that's what the supporters have to believe. And if you guys are right the underlying problem is that over a third of the 60 some potential victims were willing to destroy a man's life and career for no seeming reason.
I guess you need to decide which scenario has the Ring Of Truth to it.
WSS
* even though it would stand to reason that at least one or more separate juries in separate trials would have gone the other way.
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A voice of sanity in the wilderness of the Browns Board. ?
Not really. They didn't indict because they didn't think the prosecutor could prove the cases.* All were her word against his. Maybe all of those dames are lying whores and that's what the supporters have to believe. And if you guys are right the underlying problem is that over a third of the 60 some potential victims were willing to destroy a man's life and career for no seeming reason.
I guess you need to decide which scenario has the Ring Of Truth to it.
WSS
* even though it would stand to reason that at least one or more separate juries in separate trials would have gone the other way.
Not really.
WSS
I think I will take K9's experience with Grand juries over your opinion on this one. Now if you want to show him how to sing and play for a living, you got it hands down every time.?
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Not really.
WSS
I think I will take K9's experience with Grand juries over your opinion on this one. Now if you want to show him how to sing and play for a living, you got it hands down every time.?
I think I will take K9's experience with Grand juries over your opinion on this one. Now if you want to show him how to sing and play for a living, you got it hands down every time.?
I can't sing(only solo in the shower) or play an instrument so I'll defer to WSS.
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Not really.
WSS
I think I will take K9's experience with Grand juries over your opinion on this one. Now if you want to show him how to sing and play for a living, you got it hands down every time.?
I think I will take K9's experience with Grand juries over your opinion on this one. Now if you want to show him how to sing and play for a living, you got it hands down every time.?
Believe whatever you want.
WSS
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I think I will take K9's experience with Grand juries over your opinion on this one. Now if you want to show him how to sing and play for a living, you got it hands down every time.?
Believe whatever you want.
WSS
Believe whatever you want.
WSS
Well I do believe your music is very good...............so there's that.?
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A voice of sanity in the wilderness of the Browns Board. ?
Not really. They didn't indict because they didn't think the prosecutor could prove the cases.* All were her word against his. Maybe all of those dames are lying whores and that's what the supporters have to believe. And if you guys are right the underlying problem is that over a third of the 60 some potential victims were willing to destroy a man's life and career for no seeming reason.
I guess you need to decide which scenario has the Ring Of Truth to it.
WSS
* even though it would stand to reason that at least one or more separate juries in separate trials would have gone the other way.
Line 1] Not really. They didn't indict because they didn't think the prosecutor could prove the cases.*
Line 2] * even though it would stand to reason that at least one or more separate juries in separate trials would have gone the other way.
1) If the prosecutor doesn't prove the case to the grand jury in order to achieve an indictment, they definitely won't be able to prove the case in a trial to achieve a conviction. Indictment is easier..
2) No, it absolutely would not "stand to reason" that a trial jury would go any other way.
a] The grand jury pool is the same pool as the trial pool. They're not different people.
b] At no point is it fathomable that a trial jury would Go A Different Way. Trial jury definitely won't consider all evidence 100% accurate, trial jury won't see all the evidence that a grand jury sees.
I spent 7 months of my life [3 days a week, 5 hours each of those days] on a grand jury looking at every case completed by the county in that time -- from misdemeanor drug all the way up to manslaughters. People on grand juries take the role seriously -- if we're going to be away from our normal world and take on this role, the DA needs to bring the A game. And our grand jury indicted on 99% of cases in front of us -- the DA really has to be wildly off-base to not get an indictment because the role of the grand jury is not to question the evidence.
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