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HERO WITH HANDGUN Police praise armed 'good Samaritan' who neutralized gunman during deadly rampage at mall

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  • America is now in a nightly and weekly slaughtering ground.

    ● Outlaw extended capacity magazines. 

    ● Nobody under 21 or maybe 22 can buy an AR style rifle.

    ● More coherent and complete background checks......for a logical start.

    Give us our 6 and 11 news back, now we just expect "nutjob with an AR "  almost every night.

    - - Signed 60 year long gun (.22 to begin  then shotguns)  owner and user.

    @mjp28 said:

    America is now in a nightly and weekly slaughtering ground.

    ● Outlaw extended capacity magazines. 

    ● Nobody under 21 or maybe 22 can buy an AR style rifle.

    ● More coherent and complete background checks......for a logical start.

    Give us our 6 and 11 news back, now we just expect "nutjob with an AR "  almost every night.

    - - Signed 60 year long gun (.22 to begin  then shotguns)  owner and user.

    1. I have no problem outlawing the externded mags. However, "extended" can be....five. THEN it's impossible to deal with.

    and won't stop a pot brained young psychotic murderer. It's pretty quick to change magazines. The left redefines every word or phrase that gets in the way of their power over everything agenda.

    2. Nobody under the age of 21/22.....I don't know. The killers in Colorado didn't buy their guns. They got access to the gun safe of one of their moms, I think.

    3. More legit background checks - I'm good - except obaMao commie had a serious public education initative to wipe the slate clean of young people, and not hold them accountable. That was the case in Florida. Eveybody in school knew the kid was really screwed up. but...........no consequences.

       What is missing all too often - is the symptoms of THC in pot - it is far more powerful than it used to be. Legalizing it made it a product to sell - stupid, stupid, stupid. Now, pot products have been developed that make it far worse than before. Psychosis systems in young people - look at THC.

    Passing laws that only law abiding citizens adhere to....not going to fix anything.

    Jul 11, 2021Cannabis is not legal in Colorado for people under 21, but prior to the bill's passage in late May, 18-year-olds could get state medical cards after a brief call with a doctor, allowing them to ...
    Vaping a potent form of THC -- the intoxicating ingredient in pot -- prompted a psychotic episode last year in 24-year-old Madison McIntosh of Scottsdale, Ariz., according to USA Today. McIntosh ...
    Oct 26, 2018Colorado has not experienced an increase in marijuana use among young people, although it was the single most common reason for school expulsions in the 2016-17 school year, the first year it was ...
    Young Marijuana Users Face Psychosis Risk. June 18, 2018 -- Marijuana use directly increases the chance of psychosis in teens, new research suggests. A large study of teens shows that "in ...
    Jun 28, 2021For the entire population twelve and older, Colorado's marijuana use has increased starkly since legalization, rising 30 percent to become third in the nation, 76 percent above the national average. Among college-age youth (20-25), past-month use is 50 percent higher than the average, while past-month use for ages 12-17 is 43 percent higher.
  • This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.

  • N Neo

    This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.

    @neo said:

    This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

  • @neo said:

    This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

    @texasag1969 said:

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

    Joe Biden!😁

  • @canton-dawg said:

    Disagree, the AK47 is a better weapon.

    As far as reliability goes yes.    If you're talking about the real AK's, not the copy cats.

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    As far as reliability goes yes.    If you're talking about the real AK's, not the copy cats.

    I never had the chance to shoot a genuine AK47, but I fired a couple knock offs.

    I have shot an AK74, and it was great weapon.

  • @neo said:

    This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

    @texasag1969 said:

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

    If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard. 

    Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.

    That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation

    That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere

    That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students

    Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander. 

  • What a low bar we've set where some are happy/content with an outcome where 4 people are dead and 2 more injured... 

    Arming everyone isn't a solution. It's hardly a bandaid.

    @mld-woody said:

    Arming everyone isn't a solution.

    This is what they want, right? Have the "good guys" and "bad guys" shooting it out in malls, on the streets, in schools, like the old west. 

  • And yet a 22 year old with a pistol at some range did what 200 cops in Uvalve couldn't do......take out a bad guy. 

    I wonder what gun he used ?  He might have been very good and had the shot.....or very lucky.   Good for him.

  • And yet a 22 year old with a pistol at some range did what 200 cops in Uvalve couldn't do......take out a bad guy. 

    I wonder what gun he used ?  He might have been very good and had the shot.....or very lucky.   Good for him.

    @mjp28 said:

    or very lucky

    This could have gone sideways in a hurry. People playing hero is not good. Our police departments don't seem to be good at doing anything anymore other than running speed traps with cameras and pissing people off.  

  • N Neo

    @mjp28 said:

    or very lucky

    This could have gone sideways in a hurry. People playing hero is not good. Our police departments don't seem to be good at doing anything anymore other than running speed traps with cameras and pissing people off.  

    @neo said:

    This could have gone sideways in a hurry. People playing hero is not good. Our police departments don't seem to be good at doing anything anymore other than running speed traps with cameras and pissing people off.  

    You should move to Canada they have their shit together there!

  • N Neo

    This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.

    @neo said:

    This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.

    So you'd rather have your name associated with "the guy who had gun but hid in the closet waiting for the shooting to stop"?

    Before reading your post I've always took for granted that those having the desire to walk around with guns were not afraid to use them.

  • N Neo

    @mld-woody said:

    Arming everyone isn't a solution.

    This is what they want, right? Have the "good guys" and "bad guys" shooting it out in malls, on the streets, in schools, like the old west. 

    @neo said:

    This is what they want, right? Have the "good guys" and "bad guys" shooting it out in malls, on the streets, in schools, like the old west. 

    Yep, that's exactly what they want. You nailed it.

  • N Neo

    @texasag1969 said:

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

    If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard. 

    Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.

    That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation

    That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere

    That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students

    Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander. 

    @neo said:

    If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard. 

    Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.

    That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation

    That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere

    That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students

    Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander. 

    You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"?  Dear Lord.

    True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene.

    So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.

    Thirdly, and most importantly, it is not the job of the police to protect you or anyone.

    The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay the police for their "services."

    You want to talk about lawsuits. Law enforcement agencies cannot be on the hook for every violent act committed by private citizens.

    The police motto "To Serve and Protect" is a misnomer. They are not constitutionally obligated to do so.

    So again, it's up to you if you have a gun.

  • @neo said:

    If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard. 

    Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.

    That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation

    That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere

    That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students

    Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander. 

    You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"?  Dear Lord.

    True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene.

    So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.

    Thirdly, and most importantly, it is not the job of the police to protect you or anyone.

    The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay the police for their "services."

    You want to talk about lawsuits. Law enforcement agencies cannot be on the hook for every violent act committed by private citizens.

    The police motto "To Serve and Protect" is a misnomer. They are not constitutionally obligated to do so.

    So again, it's up to you if you have a gun.

    @fy56 said:

    You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"?  Dear Lord.

    True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene. So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.

    Uvalde is one rare case out of hundreds  that went horribly wrong.

    This the Indiana case is one very rare  case of the private citizen taking down a well armed killer.

    Let's leave it at that, it ended quickly here.

  • @neo said:

    This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

    @texasag1969 said:

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

    That's the Progressive counter terrorism training.?

  • @fy56 said:

    You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"?  Dear Lord.

    True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene. So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.

    Uvalde is one rare case out of hundreds  that went horribly wrong.

    This the Indiana case is one very rare  case of the private citizen taking down a well armed killer.

    Let's leave it at that, it ended quickly here.

    @mjp28 said:

    Uvalde is one rare case out of hundreds  that went horribly wrong.

    This the Indiana case is one very rare  case of the private citizen taking down a well armed killer.

    Let's leave it at that, it ended quickly here.

    Yes, he only murdered three people...

    Mission Accomplished 

  • N Neo

    @texasag1969 said:

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

    If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard. 

    Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.

    That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation

    That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere

    That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students

    Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander. 

    @neo said:

    If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard.

    Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander.

    The hero had been trained from an early age. You can bet he knew what he was doing and he definitely saw this guy killing people with him as the only known person standing a chance to stop it from continuing. He shot from a pretty long distance initially as he put people running away behind him including his girlfriend whom he shoved down behind cover. To effectively take down a shooter at that range tells me his skills were well trained and kept up which is what anyone with a CC or LTC should be doing regularly on a range.

    Here's the real questions for you. If you carry do you keep up your skills? Given the situation that there were in fact many people directly in front of the shooter, would you have stayed and tried to put down effective fire being very careful to be sure your well train ability would not hit an innocent person?

    From the article below:   "I will say his actions were nothing short of heroic," Ison said. "He engaged the gunman from quite a distance with a handgun, was very proficient in that, very tactically sound, and as he moved to close in on the suspect he was also motioning for people to exit behind him."

    From another: "Many people would have died last night if not for a responsible armed citizen that took action very quickly within the first two minutes of this shooting."

    Police said Eli learned to shoot from his grandfather and that he had no military or police training.

    https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2022/07/18/elisjsha-dicken-identified-as-man-who-killed-greenwood-park-mall-suspsect/65375869007

  • @texasag1969 said:

    So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.

    EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?

    That's the Progressive counter terrorism training.?

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    That's the Progressive counter terrorism training.?

    For some reason I suspect you are not talking about the Rough Riders training of Progressive Party leader Theodore Roosevelt.?

  • @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    That's the Progressive counter terrorism training.?

    For some reason I suspect you are not talking about the Rough Riders training of Progressive Party leader Theodore Roosevelt.?

    @texasag1969 said:

    For some reason I suspect you are not talking about the Rough Riders training of Progressive Party leader Theodore Roosevelt.?

    I think he may be more talking about the new Progressive Party which are known as the Rump Riders. Might be Eleanor not Teddy.

    WSS 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    For some reason I suspect you are not talking about the Rough Riders training of Progressive Party leader Theodore Roosevelt.?

    I think he may be more talking about the new Progressive Party which are known as the Rump Riders. Might be Eleanor not Teddy.

    WSS 

    @westside-steve said:

    I think he may be more talking about the new Progressive Party which are known as the Rump Riders. Might be Eleanor not Teddy.

    WSS 

    I’m positive they wear man buns.